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Anonymous wrote:Similar story for Maury and SWS grads at Eliot-Hine, but even less rosy. Situation only a little better for Watkins and Ludlow grads at Stuart Hobson.

The fact remains that more than 2/3 of high SES Hill families who went with DCPS for elementary school have left the system by 6th grade.

I don't see any reason for that to change in the next 5 years, possibly 10.

As long as there’s no coherent effort to integrate them, it won’t happen. People can cry white privilege and Brookings however much they want, but any policymaker who actually thinks integration is a desirable goal will have to use carrots.

Thing thing about America is that you have freedom to move. If your schools suck, you can move. Middle class AA families seem to move to PG/MoCo and upper class families move to NoVa, Western MoCo or NoVa. Unless DCPS makes a targeted effort to retain these middle and upper class families, the situation will be one of adverse selection. DCPS figured it out in the Wilson/Deal/Hardy areas; they just refuse to do it on Cap Hill.

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Anonymous wrote:Similar story for Maury and SWS grads at Eliot-Hine, but even less rosy. Situation only a little better for Watkins and Ludlow grads at Stuart Hobson.

The fact remains that more than 2/3 of high SES Hill families who went with DCPS for elementary school have left the system by 6th grade.

I don't see any reason for that to change in the next 5 years, possibly 10.

As long as there’s no coherent effort to integrate them, it won’t happen. People can cry white privilege and Brookings however much they want, but any policymaker who actually thinks integration is a desirable goal will have to use carrots.

Anonymous wrote:Similar story for Maury and SWS grads at Eliot-Hine, but even less rosy. Situation only a little better for Watkins and Ludlow grads at Stuart Hobson.

The fact remains that more than 2/3 of high SES Hill families who went with DCPS for elementary school have left the system by 6th grade.

I don't see any reason for that to change in the next 5 years, possibly 10.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Meeting benchmarks and testing to grade level standards is one thing for elementary school. By middle school a child needs to be challenged to achieve their full potential and taught how to work hard to overcome challenges. Scoring a 5 on PARCC shows they meet benchmarks, but has nothing to do with whether they are being held to THEIR highest standard. So I personally don’t care about white kids’ test scores except when they’re being held up to show the school should be “good enough.” When that happens I know to look much more closely at what is actually happening in the classroom.

THIS. Just because they are on grade level on PARCC does not mean that they are reaching their full potential. All those BS studies that says high SES kids will do fine in low performing schools - their definition of fine is going to college. That’s a given.

Show me a rigorous back to back study of similarly high SES kids going to Jefferson/Eastern vs going to Basis and compare their outcomes on SAT scores, AP exams, GPA at similarly ranked colleges, etc…. That is a real study to look at outcomes, not just going to college.

I don’t need the study above to know the answer. Just talk to any high school teacher in a poorly performing school what percentages of their kids fail out of college, struggle in college, etc….

Academic peer group matters a lot in middle and high school. Those that don’t think so, feel free to send your kid to Jefferson.

BTW I’m not white either.

Anonymous wrote:NP. Meeting benchmarks and testing to grade level standards is one thing for elementary school. By middle school a child needs to be challenged to achieve their full potential and taught how to work hard to overcome challenges. Scoring a 5 on PARCC shows they meet benchmarks, but has nothing to do with whether they are being held to THEIR highest standard. So I personally don’t care about white kids’ test scores except when they’re being held up to show the school should be “good enough.” When that happens I know to look much more closely at what is actually happening in the classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Got it. More than 90% of us leave Brent for BASIS, Latin, private schools, the burbs, homeschool classrooms, and other parts of the country and world because we're irrational at best, fools and iniquitous racists at worst.

Having Jefferson Academy as our by-right middle school is clearly a pearls-before-pigs situation in light of our willful ignorance of the manifold wonders of the program.

After all, what could possibly count more than stellar PARCC scores for a dozen white kids in a school with hundreds of students?

All I said is that the hard data does not support the proposition that UMC kids are unlikely to succeed at Jefferson. And I fully stand by that.

I did not in any way cast aspersions on those who choose a different path. Frankly, I don't know why you're being so defensive about this.

And you have a very limited definition of what “succeed” means, and also presumtuous to believe that no UMC needs more attention.

OMG. Once again, all I said is that the hard data does not support the proposition that UMC kids are unlikely to succeed at Jefferson. As far as I am aware, test scores are the only hard data we have on this point. And I am nearly certain that if the PARCC performance of those "dozen white kids" had been either poor or mediocre, people would be on here touting it as clear evidence of Jefferson's failings. But they can't -- because the results are stellar.

And, once again, I did not cast aspersions on those who make a different choice. Nor did I in any way suggest that Jefferson is the right choice for everyone (UMC or not).

Does it really bother you so much that someone has highlighted one apparently positive aspect of Jefferson Academy through the use of data?

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Anonymous wrote:Jefferson appears to be stuck at around 2% white. Has been for 4 or 5 years now. Not much more to say.

This is what's called a "racist" and "supremacist" post because it implies something about Black students that makes a school "stuck" if (only?) "2%" Whites attend it. The non-racist version of this might be to point out how all students are doing at Jefferson Academy, maybe pointing out that Jefferson Academy has both Black and White, and some Latino, high achieving students. The anti-racist may add that the reason why from among the students who lag behind most are Black is because they predominantly come from elementary schools that sit in subpar neighborhoods, plagued by poor housing conditions, poor healthcare, community trauma through gun violence, high teacher turn-over, spotty and infrequent public transportation, environmental challenges etc. The anti-racist might also stress that the metrics by which we determine who is highly or not highly proficient are themselves racist, favoring inherently higher ratings for White students.

More directly on the topic: Once you understand all of this - statistically - you will also understand that the above statement is, in addition, irrelevant.

This is exactly why that brooking report was spot on.

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Anonymous wrote:Got it. More than 90% of us leave Brent for BASIS, Latin, private schools, the burbs, homeschool classrooms, and other parts of the country and world because we're irrational at best, fools and iniquitous racists at worst.

Having Jefferson Academy as our by-right middle school is clearly a pearls-before-pigs situation in light of our willful ignorance of the manifold wonders of the program.

After all, what could possibly count more than stellar PARCC scores for a dozen white kids in a school with hundreds of students?

All I said is that the hard data does not support the proposition that UMC kids are unlikely to succeed at Jefferson. And I fully stand by that.

I did not in any way cast aspersions on those who choose a different path. Frankly, I don't know why you're being so defensive about this.

And you have a very limited definition of what “succeed” means, and also presumtuous to believe that no UMC needs more attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Jefferson appears to be stuck at around 2% white. Has been for 4 or 5 years now. Not much more to say.

This is what's called a "racist" and "supremacist" post because it implies something about Black students that makes a school "stuck" if (only?) "2%" Whites attend it. The non-racist version of this might be to point out how all students are doing at Jefferson Academy, maybe pointing out that Jefferson Academy has both Black and White, and some Latino, high achieving students. The anti-racist may add that the reason why from among the students who lag behind most are Black is because they predominantly come from elementary schools that sit in subpar neighborhoods, plagued by poor housing conditions, poor healthcare, community trauma through gun violence, high teacher turn-over, spotty and infrequent public transportation, environmental challenges etc. The anti-racist might also stress that the metrics by which we determine who is highly or not highly proficient are themselves racist, favoring inherently higher ratings for White students.

More directly on the topic: Once you understand all of this - statistically - you will also understand that the above statement is, in addition, irrelevant.

Anonymous wrote:We live in the Jefferson catchment area. We're Asian-American.

Where are the Asian students at Jefferson? We should send our kid to be one of a handful of Asians in his cohort, or perhaps the only one.

No thanks.