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Anonymous wrote:Sometime up upgraded mentioned DCI appealing to change their charter regarding IB goals. Is that true and where could I read about that?

Typo. I meant upthread, not upgraded.

It was me. I can’t remember where I read the information - I think it was posted by the DCPCSB since they always post their agendas on social media. This is the only information I could find via Google search. Of course, DCI tried to frame the request in a positive way, but really they were just requesting to change their goals for the performance framework.

https://dcregs.dc.gov/Common/DCR/Issues/IssueCategoryList.aspx?DownloadFile=%7B374EED74-93B2-4590-97F0-8878EDF13919%7D

Okay, I found it. Here is the transcript - the DCI stuff starts on page 133. You can clearly see how they asked to lower the standards for their goals.

https://www.livebinders.com/media/get/MjA0ODI4NTQ=

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Anonymous wrote:Sometime up upgraded mentioned DCI appealing to change their charter regarding IB goals. Is that true and where could I read about that?

Typo. I meant upthread, not upgraded.

It was me. I can’t remember where I read the information - I think it was posted by the DCPCSB since they always post their agendas on social media. This is the only information I could find via Google search. Of course, DCI tried to frame the request in a positive way, but really they were just requesting to change their goals for the performance framework.

https://dcregs.dc.gov/Common/DCR/Issues/IssueCategoryList.aspx?DownloadFile=%7B374EED74-93B2-4590-97F0-8878EDF13919%7D

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Anonymous wrote:Sometime up upgraded mentioned DCI appealing to change their charter regarding IB goals. Is that true and where could I read about that?

Typo. I meant upthread, not upgraded.

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I beg to differ. 75% of the student body at an immersion school, with immersion feeders schools, has intermediate language skills in very easy languages like Spanish and French? Those are very, very low standards. I know upper elementary students at feeders that can barely string together a sentence after 5+ years of immersion starting in ECE. Highly doubt the student body will get markedly better once the lifelong feeder kids make their way up.

And 15 of 66 kids got the Diploma, that’s 23%. And we can’t assume their scores are upper 20s, they could easily be higher or lower since that information wasn’t published. I’m sure some kids did well despite low standards, but I’m just tired of how disingenuous the narrative is in DC that we’re providing kids excellent, competitive academic options. We’re settling and justifying ourselves, and that just makes me sad for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Every one of the top DCI admits are first-generation URM (under represented minorities). Which is GREAT!

But makes these elite admits completely irrelevant to most of us on this site.
If you are white and your kid is at the top of the DCI class they'll be going to Pitt or Wisconsin or similar.

This is an excellent point. IB Diploma point totals in the 20s will mostly work for low-SES, first-generation URMs aiming high in college admissions.

Not the rest of us.

Are there stats on this or is that too identifiable for FERPA? Top schools require IB scores in the mid-30s. I'm really trying to reconcile such low pass rates with the college acceptances reported on this thread. I don't think they're lying, but as someone who went to state school for undergrad and an ivy for grad, I can attest your average MC white kid has to work their butt off and score REALLY high to get into a top college. An IB diploma alone is not going to cut it.

Again, the kids reported above who are getting into the elite schools from DCI are all URM. Most are first gen college students and several are recent immigrants to the US. They're not average MC white kids. At all. Very far from it.
It's incredibly exciting for them but the IB point totals for the school are completely irrelevant to these kids' acceptances.

I personally know DCI kids who have gotten into several of the most selective schools this year, including some who are neither URMs nor legacies, just great students (And yes, there happen to be many excellent students at DCI, across all races and socioeconomics). As for the URMs who have gotten admitted to these schools, they are all super impressive and just as deserving. Remember that the colleges everyone on this forum is so obsessed with have admissions rates of 3-10%, so out of of 100 kids at a non-magnet, socioeconomically diverse public school, how many do you think should be getting admitted to schools like this, realistically?? Only a handful, right? Of course, no one should assume, even based on the success of this year's seniors, that graduating from DCI with an IB diploma will ensure admission to the most selective college. As is true for any diverse public school, the top 10% will have the most competitive options, and the next 50% will also have very good college options.
In any case, don't go just go by the stuff DCI's detractors assume or make up on this forum. Check out DCI's FB over the next month - they are releasing a couple student profiles and college choices a day, seemingly at random. You'll see there, if you have the patience to wait for them all to come out, how well the class of 2025 has done and how widespread the success has been.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I beg to differ. 75% of the student body at an immersion school, with immersion feeders schools, has intermediate language skills in very easy languages like Spanish and French? Those are very, very low standards. I know upper elementary students at feeders that can barely string together a sentence after 5+ years of immersion starting in ECE. Highly doubt the student body will get markedly better once the lifelong feeder kids make their way up.

And 15 of 66 kids got the Diploma, that’s 23%. And we can’t assume their scores are upper 20s, they could easily be higher or lower since that information wasn’t published. I’m sure some kids did well despite low standards, but I’m just tired of how disingenuous the narrative is in DC that we’re providing kids excellent, competitive academic options. We’re settling and justifying ourselves, and that just makes me sad for everyone.

You nailed it, PP. Sure, a few kids will do well anywhere despite low standards. But the DCPC immersion narrative has been disingenuous all along.

I worked at one of the IBD programs in MoCo. As a result, I know that average pass point totals per IB World School are public information available to researchers who contact Geneva directly. The total for DCI in 2020 was 26 on a 24-45 point scale.

Native speakers of Chinese have long point out that the narrative is disingenuous on DCUM. When they do, they're called racist jerks seeking preferential treatment for their children by parents who cling to the non-competitive status quo.

YY has never even bothered to hire a head who can string together a coherent sentence in Chinese. The arrangement obviously doesn't provide kids with an "excellent, competitive academic option" for learning Chinese. Even so, YY stakeholders defend and maintain it endlessly. This sort of sad justification hurts everybody involved.

YY Pros
- beautiful building
- fun grounds
- safe
- easy commute (yeah!)
- great kids - many good friends for DC

YY Cons
- DC knows *very* little Chinese after 6 years. Remarkably little.
- DC hates Chinese language and never wants to study it again
- Most important: DC, who is gifted in math, is well behind where sibling was at that age in both ELA and Math -- thanks to Chinese

Your honesty impresses me. So what happens next? DCI?

We're native speakers of Chinese who lasted a year at YY. Didn't care for the tone deaf administration, poor treatment of Chinese teachers tethered to one-year work visas, or cult of slavish boosters without a clue about Chinese culture. We bailed for a house in Upper NW, a DCPS program, and a strong Chinese program for immigrant families on weekends. My children speak Chinese decently for ABCs, and do well in ELA and math.

THIS THREAD is about DCI. Make your own thread about Yu Ying as you have several hundred times already.

If I ever meet a native Chinese speaker in UNW I'm going to wonder...is it you? I guess I can easily find out by innocently asking, do you think highly of Yu Ying?

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Anonymous wrote:Every one of the top DCI admits are first-generation URM (under represented minorities). Which is GREAT!

But makes these elite admits completely irrelevant to most of us on this site.
If you are white and your kid is at the top of the DCI class they'll be going to Pitt or Wisconsin or similar.

This is an excellent point. IB Diploma point totals in the 20s will mostly work for low-SES, first-generation URMs aiming high in college admissions.

Not the rest of us.

Are there stats on this or is that too identifiable for FERPA? Top schools require IB scores in the mid-30s. I'm really trying to reconcile such low pass rates with the college acceptances reported on this thread. I don't think they're lying, but as someone who went to state school for undergrad and an ivy for grad, I can attest your average MC white kid has to work their butt off and score REALLY high to get into a top college. An IB diploma alone is not going to cut it.

Again, the kids reported above who are getting into the elite schools from DCI are all URM. Most are first gen college students and several are recent immigrants to the US. They're not average MC white kids. At all. Very far from it.
It's incredibly exciting for them but the IB point totals for the school are completely irrelevant to these kids' acceptances.

Anonymous wrote:Sometime up upgraded mentioned DCI appealing to change their charter regarding IB goals. Is that true and where could I read about that?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I beg to differ. 75% of the student body at an immersion school, with immersion feeders schools, has intermediate language skills in very easy languages like Spanish and French? Those are very, very low standards. I know upper elementary students at feeders that can barely string together a sentence after 5+ years of immersion starting in ECE. Highly doubt the student body will get markedly better once the lifelong feeder kids make their way up.

And 15 of 66 kids got the Diploma, that’s 23%. And we can’t assume their scores are upper 20s, they could easily be higher or lower since that information wasn’t published. I’m sure some kids did well despite low standards, but I’m just tired of how disingenuous the narrative is in DC that we’re providing kids excellent, competitive academic options. We’re settling and justifying ourselves, and that just makes me sad for everyone.

You nailed it, PP. Sure, a few kids will do well anywhere despite low standards. But the DCPC immersion narrative has been disingenuous all along.

I worked at one of the IBD programs in MoCo. As a result, I know that average pass point totals per IB World School are public information available to researchers who contact Geneva directly. The total for DCI in 2020 was 26 on a 24-45 point scale.

Native speakers of Chinese have long point out that the narrative is disingenuous on DCUM. When they do, they're called racist jerks seeking preferential treatment for their children by parents who cling to the non-competitive status quo.

YY has never even bothered to hire a head who can string together a coherent sentence in Chinese. The arrangement obviously doesn't provide kids with an "excellent, competitive academic option" for learning Chinese. Even so, YY stakeholders defend and maintain it endlessly. This sort of sad justification hurts everybody involved.

YY Pros
- beautiful building
- fun grounds
- safe
- easy commute (yeah!)
- great kids - many good friends for DC

YY Cons
- DC knows *very* little Chinese after 6 years. Remarkably little.
- DC hates Chinese language and never wants to study it again
- Most important: DC, who is gifted in math, is well behind where sibling was at that age in both ELA and Math -- thanks to Chinese

Your honesty impresses me. So what happens next? DCI?

We're native speakers of Chinese who lasted a year at YY. Didn't care for the tone deaf administration, poor treatment of Chinese teachers tethered to one-year work visas, or cult of slavish boosters without a clue about Chinese culture. We bailed for a house in Upper NW, a DCPS program, and a strong Chinese program for immigrant families on weekends. My children speak Chinese decently for ABCs, and do well in ELA and math.

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Anonymous wrote:Every one of the top DCI admits are first-generation URM (under represented minorities). Which is GREAT!

But makes these elite admits completely irrelevant to most of us on this site.
If you are white and your kid is at the top of the DCI class they'll be going to Pitt or Wisconsin or similar.

Of the two Yale admits, one is Black (Ethiopian-American), one is white.

Is this just anecdotal or are actual names/stats published somewhere?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I beg to differ. 75% of the student body at an immersion school, with immersion feeders schools, has intermediate language skills in very easy languages like Spanish and French? Those are very, very low standards. I know upper elementary students at feeders that can barely string together a sentence after 5+ years of immersion starting in ECE. Highly doubt the student body will get markedly better once the lifelong feeder kids make their way up.

And 15 of 66 kids got the Diploma, that’s 23%. And we can’t assume their scores are upper 20s, they could easily be higher or lower since that information wasn’t published. I’m sure some kids did well despite low standards, but I’m just tired of how disingenuous the narrative is in DC that we’re providing kids excellent, competitive academic options. We’re settling and justifying ourselves, and that just makes me sad for everyone.

You nailed it, PP. Sure, a few kids will do well anywhere despite low standards. But the DCPC immersion narrative has been disingenuous all along.

I worked at one of the IBD programs in MoCo. As a result, I know that average pass point totals per IB World School are public information available to researchers who contact Geneva directly. The total for DCI in 2020 was 26 on a 24-45 point scale.

Native speakers of Chinese have long point out that the narrative is disingenuous on DCUM. When they do, they're called racist jerks seeking preferential treatment for their children by parents who cling to the non-competitive status quo.

YY has never even bothered to hire a head who can string together a coherent sentence in Chinese. The arrangement obviously doesn't provide kids with an "excellent, competitive academic option" for learning Chinese. Even so, YY stakeholders defend and maintain it endlessly. This sort of sad justification hurts everybody involved.

YY Pros
- beautiful building
- fun grounds
- safe
- easy commute (yeah!)
- great kids - many good friends for DC

YY Cons
- DC knows *very* little Chinese after 6 years. Remarkably little.
- DC hates Chinese language and never wants to study it again
- Most important: DC, who is gifted in math, is well behind where sibling was at that age in both ELA and Math -- thanks to Chinese

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I beg to differ. 75% of the student body at an immersion school, with immersion feeders schools, has intermediate language skills in very easy languages like Spanish and French? Those are very, very low standards. I know upper elementary students at feeders that can barely string together a sentence after 5+ years of immersion starting in ECE. Highly doubt the student body will get markedly better once the lifelong feeder kids make their way up.

And 15 of 66 kids got the Diploma, that’s 23%. And we can’t assume their scores are upper 20s, they could easily be higher or lower since that information wasn’t published. I’m sure some kids did well despite low standards, but I’m just tired of how disingenuous the narrative is in DC that we’re providing kids excellent, competitive academic options. We’re settling and justifying ourselves, and that just makes me sad for everyone.

You nailed it, PP. Sure, a few kids will do well anywhere despite low standards. But the DCPC immersion narrative has been disingenuous all along.

I worked at one of the IBD programs in MoCo. As a result, I know that average pass point totals per IB World School are public information available to researchers who contact Geneva directly. The total for DCI in 2020 was 26 on a 24-45 point scale.

Native speakers of Chinese have long point out that the narrative is disingenuous on DCUM. When they do, they're called racist jerks seeking preferential treatment for their children by parents who cling to the non-competitive status quo.

YY has never even bothered to hire a head who can string together a coherent sentence in Chinese. The arrangement obviously doesn't provide kids with an "excellent, competitive academic option" for learning Chinese. Even so, YY stakeholders defend and maintain it endlessly. This sort of sad justification hurts everybody involved.

Omg. Just. Stop.

The narrative? You’re the one with your own narrative from MoCo. It’s not our narrative. Please leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I beg to differ. 75% of the student body at an immersion school, with immersion feeders schools, has intermediate language skills in very easy languages like Spanish and French? Those are very, very low standards. I know upper elementary students at feeders that can barely string together a sentence after 5+ years of immersion starting in ECE. Highly doubt the student body will get markedly better once the lifelong feeder kids make their way up.

And 15 of 66 kids got the Diploma, that’s 23%. And we can’t assume their scores are upper 20s, they could easily be higher or lower since that information wasn’t published. I’m sure some kids did well despite low standards, but I’m just tired of how disingenuous the narrative is in DC that we’re providing kids excellent, competitive academic options. We’re settling and justifying ourselves, and that just makes me sad for everyone.

You nailed it, PP. Sure, a few kids will do well anywhere despite low standards. But the DCPC immersion narrative has been disingenuous all along.

I worked at one of the IBD programs in MoCo. As a result, I know that average pass point totals per IB World School are public information available to researchers who contact Geneva directly. The total for DCI in 2020 was 26 on a 24-45 point scale.

Native speakers of Chinese have long point out that the narrative is disingenuous on DCUM. When they do, they're called racist jerks seeking preferential treatment for their children by parents who cling to the non-competitive status quo.

YY has never even bothered to hire a head who can string together a coherent sentence in Chinese. The arrangement obviously doesn't provide kids with an "excellent, competitive academic option" for learning Chinese. Even so, YY stakeholders defend and maintain it endlessly. This sort of sad justification hurts everybody involved.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I beg to differ. 75% of the student body at an immersion school, with immersion feeders schools, has intermediate language skills in very easy languages like Spanish and French? Those are very, very low standards. I know upper elementary students at feeders that can barely string together a sentence after 5+ years of immersion starting in ECE. Highly doubt the student body will get markedly better once the lifelong feeder kids make their way up.

And 15 of 66 kids got the Diploma, that’s 23%. And we can’t assume their scores are upper 20s, they could easily be higher or lower since that information wasn’t published. I’m sure some kids did well despite low standards, but I’m just tired of how disingenuous the narrative is in DC that we’re providing kids excellent, competitive academic options. We’re settling and justifying ourselves, and that just makes me sad for everyone.

You nailed it, PP. Sure, a few kids will do well anywhere despite low standards. But the DCPC immersion narrative has been disingenuous all along.

I worked at one of the IBD programs in MoCo. As a result, I know that average pass point totals per IB World School are public information available to researchers who contact Geneva directly. The total for DCI in 2020 was 26 on a 24-45 point scale.

Native speakers of Chinese have long point out that the narrative is disingenuous on DCUM. When they do, they're called racist jerks seeking preferential treatment for their children by parents who cling to the non-competitive status quo.

YY has never even bothered to hire a head who can string together a coherent sentence in Chinese. The arrangement obviously doesn't provide kids with an "excellent, competitive academic option" for learning Chinese. Even so, YY stakeholders defend and maintain it endlessly. This sort of sad justification hurts everybody involved.