Anonymous wrote:My God, UVA boosters really are complete nutters, aren't they?

Sure and posters that resurrect a post that is 7 months old just to bash UVA fans are completely sane?

I went to NU about ten years ago. I majored in a STEM subject but minored in liberal arts. This is sort of a random collection of thoughts.

If she wants to do engineering. I'll warn you, STEM at NU is very tough. There's a joke among engineering freshman that you can't spell death without EA (the first year class sequence everyone takes). It didn't stop there, when I was a senior I was in their high level thermo class made up only of Chem and Chem E seniors and the average on our first midterm was a 19. On the other hand, I once had a math class they graded on a strict third curve so my 94 turned into a B-. That sucked. Some of the classes were just brutal and there was a heavy sink or swim culture at least in my major. However at NU when I was there pretty much all classes were taught by full professors so that's pretty valuable.

It was also pretty easy to find a professor to work in their lab and I got my name on a few papers as an undergrad.

The co op program was great and really helped students get work experience and jobs. If you go into engineering, highly recommend it.

However, I minored in English Lit and those classes were much calmer and easier, so liberal arts is quite a bit more chill and the professors more supportive. Because the school is relatively small I never had trouble really getting classes I wanted or needed. I took some really neat classes completely outside of my.major like linguistics.

I also got to sing in choir and do tech for some plays. My best friend did marching band all four years and loved it (she was in the Journalism school). I will admit not getting into Chicago as much as I should have.

Yes, it dies get very cold. NU is right on the lake. Bundle up in a good coat and you'll be fine.

You did say money isn't an issue, but I will say I got a generous grant from NU when no one else would give me aid (I also got into Michigan out of state and it would have cost more than twice as much).

As I don't have experience with UVA, I can't head to head. On the whole, eh, I think the way they ran some of their STEM classes was crazy pants. But I got to do a lot of stuff outside of my major that may have been harder at a bigger school. On the whole, I had a good time there. If I had to do it over I might have picked a different major, but I'd probably still go to NU.

My God, UVA boosters really are complete nutters, aren't they?

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Anonymous wrote:Both good at the easier majors. NW is better. Both not good for the difficult majors.

What? NU is excellent at the so called difficult majors.

I think you'll find that the East Coast self-absorbedness of many of the posters on DCUM means they just immediately assume a school in so-called "fly-over country" could be as strong as Northwestern actually is. I'm originally from Michigan and it's strange to even see Northwestern being compared to UVA in the first place, with no offense intended to UVA. They're just very different schools by nature.

What? I'm from the Northeast and Northwestern (and Michigan) were both hot colleges 20 years ago with top 10% kids.

UVA, not so much. Only one kid went there - a LAX nut. If anything, people from the Northeast looked down on schools in the South. Particularly public schools.

Times have changed. With NU at $81K a year and UVA at $31K (we paid $16K last year because DD was off campus), in-state options are far more attractive, especially after some families' savings were decimated by COVID and jobs lost. We banked the difference and can now afford to send DD to Oxford. The UVA professors wrote amazing letters of recommendation for her. https://news.virginia.edu/content/record-number-uva-scholars-receive-fulbrights-0.

Yes, if parents aren't willing to pay for OOS tuition, then all of the in-state schools look much better.

For most, it has nothing to do with willingness. We saved and saved but we still can't afford $81K in after tax dollars (almost $150K for us), x 4 years x 2 kids. We would have to make 600K to pay for one child to go to Northwestern. For two, it's $1.2 million. So don't lol until you've walked a mile in my shoes.

Why are you continually bombarding this thread even after saying that you "don't know anything about Northwestern" ? We get it, you chose UVA in-state. Gold star for you!

Times like these I wish we could just close a thread... but part of me also loves seeing just how crazy DCUM threads can get. Lol!

In sum, Northwestern is a better and more prestigious school than UVA in most regards. [b]Northwestern is ranked #9, while UVA is ranked #26. (I am only invoking rankings to bring some ordinal orderliness to this winding war of words.) HOWEVER, if you are a Virginian, UVA is a very compelling alternative.[/b]

Everyone happy now?

You can't compare a private university to a public. The more accurate USN&WR ranking to use for UVA is "Top Public University" where UVA ranks no. 4 after UCLA, Berkely and Michigan. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

You certainly can compare them. People compare them all the time. I mean, we're comparing them right now. That's the whole point of this thread.

The PP is clearly talking about the use of the USN&WR rankings. Ranking all universities in the U.S. is useless and not specifying private v public is also useless. That
s why USN&WR breaks down the rankings into "all public universities", just like it offers rankings of small privates, best value, best regional, etc. If you are going to cite to the ranking most advantageous to your argument you should expect someone to counter with the more accurate ranking. And it is true that you can't compare in ranking services publics and privates. The endowment issue alone separates the entities. The state flagships have a completely different mission than the privates. And funding. And in-state/OOS system. USN&WR understands this so provides the rankings of just public universities. So it is disingenuous to cite to the overall ranking and claim Northwestern is at whatever and UVA at 26. For ranking purposes you can't compare Harvard to UVA. Or UCLA or Berkeley. It's apples and oranges. Which is why Northwestern is $81K a year and UVA instate, all room and board added in, at $30K.

No, what you're doing is citing the ranking that is most advantageous to your argument, and projecting that onto others. The ranking you're pulling up isn't "more accurate," it's different.

Nobody thinks the 4th ranked school among public schools is better than the 9th ranked school among ALL schools.

It's no use arguing with you folks, but I know you know this deep down, no matter how much you might disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:Both good at the easier majors. NW is better. Both not good for the difficult majors.

What? NU is excellent at the so called difficult majors.

I think you'll find that the East Coast self-absorbedness of many of the posters on DCUM means they just immediately assume a school in so-called "fly-over country" could be as strong as Northwestern actually is. I'm originally from Michigan and it's strange to even see Northwestern being compared to UVA in the first place, with no offense intended to UVA. They're just very different schools by nature.

What? I'm from the Northeast and Northwestern (and Michigan) were both hot colleges 20 years ago with top 10% kids.

UVA, not so much. Only one kid went there - a LAX nut. If anything, people from the Northeast looked down on schools in the South. Particularly public schools.

Times have changed. With NU at $81K a year and UVA at $31K (we paid $16K last year because DD was off campus), in-state options are far more attractive, especially after some families' savings were decimated by COVID and jobs lost. We banked the difference and can now afford to send DD to Oxford. The UVA professors wrote amazing letters of recommendation for her. https://news.virginia.edu/content/record-number-uva-scholars-receive-fulbrights-0.

Yes, if parents aren't willing to pay for OOS tuition, then all of the in-state schools look much better.

For most, it has nothing to do with willingness. We saved and saved but we still can't afford $81K in after tax dollars (almost $150K for us), x 4 years x 2 kids. We would have to make 600K to pay for one child to go to Northwestern. For two, it's $1.2 million. So don't lol until you've walked a mile in my shoes.

Why are you continually bombarding this thread even after saying that you "don't know anything about Northwestern" ? We get it, you chose UVA in-state. Gold star for you!

Times like these I wish we could just close a thread... but part of me also loves seeing just how crazy DCUM threads can get. Lol!

In sum, Northwestern is a better and more prestigious school than UVA in most regards. [b]Northwestern is ranked #9, while UVA is ranked #26. (I am only invoking rankings to bring some ordinal orderliness to this winding war of words.) HOWEVER, if you are a Virginian, UVA is a very compelling alternative.[/b]

Everyone happy now?

You can't compare a private university to a public. The more accurate USN&WR ranking to use for UVA is "Top Public University" where UVA ranks no. 4 after UCLA, Berkely and Michigan. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

You certainly can compare them. People compare them all the time. I mean, we're comparing them right now. That's the whole point of this thread.

The PP is clearly talking about the use of the USN&WR rankings. Ranking all universities in the U.S. is useless and not specifying private v public is also useless. That
s why USN&WR breaks down the rankings into "all public universities", just like it offers rankings of small privates, best value, best regional, etc. If you are going to cite to the ranking most advantageous to your argument you should expect someone to counter with the more accurate ranking. And it is true that you can't compare in ranking services publics and privates. The endowment issue alone separates the entities. The state flagships have a completely different mission than the privates. And funding. And in-state/OOS system. USN&WR understands this so provides the rankings of just public universities. So it is disingenuous to cite to the overall ranking and claim Northwestern is at whatever and UVA at 26. For ranking purposes you can't compare Harvard to UVA. Or UCLA or Berkeley. It's apples and oranges. Which is why Northwestern is $81K a year and UVA instate, all room and board added in, at $30K.

Anonymous wrote:UVA has 55 Rhodes Scholars
Northwestern only 17

No one, absolutely no one, thinks UVA is a better school than Northwestern. Nice try, though.

UVA has 55 Rhodes Scholars
Northwestern only 17

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Anonymous wrote:Both good at the easier majors. NW is better. Both not good for the difficult majors.

What? NU is excellent at the so called difficult majors.

I think you'll find that the East Coast self-absorbedness of many of the posters on DCUM means they just immediately assume a school in so-called "fly-over country" could be as strong as Northwestern actually is. I'm originally from Michigan and it's strange to even see Northwestern being compared to UVA in the first place, with no offense intended to UVA. They're just very different schools by nature.

What? I'm from the Northeast and Northwestern (and Michigan) were both hot colleges 20 years ago with top 10% kids.

UVA, not so much. Only one kid went there - a LAX nut. If anything, people from the Northeast looked down on schools in the South. Particularly public schools.

Times have changed. With NU at $81K a year and UVA at $31K (we paid $16K last year because DD was off campus), in-state options are far more attractive, especially after some families' savings were decimated by COVID and jobs lost. We banked the difference and can now afford to send DD to Oxford. The UVA professors wrote amazing letters of recommendation for her. https://news.virginia.edu/content/record-number-uva-scholars-receive-fulbrights-0.

Yes, if parents aren't willing to pay for OOS tuition, then all of the in-state schools look much better.

For most, it has nothing to do with willingness. We saved and saved but we still can't afford $81K in after tax dollars (almost $150K for us), x 4 years x 2 kids. We would have to make 600K to pay for one child to go to Northwestern. For two, it's $1.2 million. So don't lol until you've walked a mile in my shoes.

Why are you continually bombarding this thread even after saying that you "don't know anything about Northwestern" ? We get it, you chose UVA in-state. Gold star for you!

Times like these I wish we could just close a thread... but part of me also loves seeing just how crazy DCUM threads can get. Lol!

In sum, Northwestern is a better and more prestigious school than UVA in most regards. [b]Northwestern is ranked #9, while UVA is ranked #26. (I am only invoking rankings to bring some ordinal orderliness to this winding war of words.) HOWEVER, if you are a Virginian, UVA is a very compelling alternative.[/b]

Everyone happy now?

You can't compare a private university to a public. The more accurate USN&WR ranking to use for UVA is "Top Public University" where UVA ranks no. 4 after UCLA, Berkely and Michigan. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

You certainly can compare them. People compare them all the time. I mean, we're comparing them right now. That's the whole point of this thread.

+1. Of course you can compare them. Just look at UVA. I think over 2/3rds of applicants come from OOS. Many of those admitted choose to go elsewhere, and I would bet many of those end up at private schools. And when people apply for jobs, they aren't sorted into the public school and private school piles.

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Anonymous wrote:Both good at the easier majors. NW is better. Both not good for the difficult majors.

What? NU is excellent at the so called difficult majors.

I think you'll find that the East Coast self-absorbedness of many of the posters on DCUM means they just immediately assume a school in so-called "fly-over country" could be as strong as Northwestern actually is. I'm originally from Michigan and it's strange to even see Northwestern being compared to UVA in the first place, with no offense intended to UVA. They're just very different schools by nature.

What? I'm from the Northeast and Northwestern (and Michigan) were both hot colleges 20 years ago with top 10% kids.

UVA, not so much. Only one kid went there - a LAX nut. If anything, people from the Northeast looked down on schools in the South. Particularly public schools.

Times have changed. With NU at $81K a year and UVA at $31K (we paid $16K last year because DD was off campus), in-state options are far more attractive, especially after some families' savings were decimated by COVID and jobs lost. We banked the difference and can now afford to send DD to Oxford. The UVA professors wrote amazing letters of recommendation for her. https://news.virginia.edu/content/record-number-uva-scholars-receive-fulbrights-0.

Yes, if parents aren't willing to pay for OOS tuition, then all of the in-state schools look much better.

For most, it has nothing to do with willingness. We saved and saved but we still can't afford $81K in after tax dollars (almost $150K for us), x 4 years x 2 kids. We would have to make 600K to pay for one child to go to Northwestern. For two, it's $1.2 million. So don't lol until you've walked a mile in my shoes.

Why are you continually bombarding this thread even after saying that you "don't know anything about Northwestern" ? We get it, you chose UVA in-state. Gold star for you!

Times like these I wish we could just close a thread... but part of me also loves seeing just how crazy DCUM threads can get. Lol!

In sum, Northwestern is a better and more prestigious school than UVA in most regards. [b]Northwestern is ranked #9, while UVA is ranked #26. (I am only invoking rankings to bring some ordinal orderliness to this winding war of words.) HOWEVER, if you are a Virginian, UVA is a very compelling alternative.[/b]

Everyone happy now?

You can't compare a private university to a public. The more accurate USN&WR ranking to use for UVA is "Top Public University" where UVA ranks no. 4 after UCLA, Berkely and Michigan. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

And you can’t compare schools in Charlottesville vs schools in all of the other towns. UVA is the #1 university in Charlottesville. By far. There is just no other comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Both good at the easier majors. NW is better. Both not good for the difficult majors.

What? NU is excellent at the so called difficult majors.

I think you'll find that the East Coast self-absorbedness of many of the posters on DCUM means they just immediately assume a school in so-called "fly-over country" could be as strong as Northwestern actually is. I'm originally from Michigan and it's strange to even see Northwestern being compared to UVA in the first place, with no offense intended to UVA. They're just very different schools by nature.

What? I'm from the Northeast and Northwestern (and Michigan) were both hot colleges 20 years ago with top 10% kids.

UVA, not so much. Only one kid went there - a LAX nut. If anything, people from the Northeast looked down on schools in the South. Particularly public schools.

Times have changed. With NU at $81K a year and UVA at $31K (we paid $16K last year because DD was off campus), in-state options are far more attractive, especially after some families' savings were decimated by COVID and jobs lost. We banked the difference and can now afford to send DD to Oxford. The UVA professors wrote amazing letters of recommendation for her. https://news.virginia.edu/content/record-number-uva-scholars-receive-fulbrights-0.

Yes, if parents aren't willing to pay for OOS tuition, then all of the in-state schools look much better.

For most, it has nothing to do with willingness. We saved and saved but we still can't afford $81K in after tax dollars (almost $150K for us), x 4 years x 2 kids. We would have to make 600K to pay for one child to go to Northwestern. For two, it's $1.2 million. So don't lol until you've walked a mile in my shoes.

Why are you continually bombarding this thread even after saying that you "don't know anything about Northwestern" ? We get it, you chose UVA in-state. Gold star for you!

Times like these I wish we could just close a thread... but part of me also loves seeing just how crazy DCUM threads can get. Lol!

In sum, Northwestern is a better and more prestigious school than UVA in most regards. [b]Northwestern is ranked #9, while UVA is ranked #26. (I am only invoking rankings to bring some ordinal orderliness to this winding war of words.) HOWEVER, if you are a Virginian, UVA is a very compelling alternative.[/b]

Everyone happy now?

You can't compare a private university to a public. The more accurate USN&WR ranking to use for UVA is "Top Public University" where UVA ranks no. 4 after UCLA, Berkely and Michigan. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

You certainly can compare them. People compare them all the time. I mean, we're comparing them right now. That's the whole point of this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Both good at the easier majors. NW is better. Both not good for the difficult majors.

What? NU is excellent at the so called difficult majors.

I think you'll find that the East Coast self-absorbedness of many of the posters on DCUM means they just immediately assume a school in so-called "fly-over country" could be as strong as Northwestern actually is. I'm originally from Michigan and it's strange to even see Northwestern being compared to UVA in the first place, with no offense intended to UVA. They're just very different schools by nature.

What? I'm from the Northeast and Northwestern (and Michigan) were both hot colleges 20 years ago with top 10% kids.

UVA, not so much. Only one kid went there - a LAX nut. If anything, people from the Northeast looked down on schools in the South. Particularly public schools.

Times have changed. With NU at $81K a year and UVA at $31K (we paid $16K last year because DD was off campus), in-state options are far more attractive, especially after some families' savings were decimated by COVID and jobs lost. We banked the difference and can now afford to send DD to Oxford. The UVA professors wrote amazing letters of recommendation for her. https://news.virginia.edu/content/record-number-uva-scholars-receive-fulbrights-0.

Yes, if parents aren't willing to pay for OOS tuition, then all of the in-state schools look much better.

For most, it has nothing to do with willingness. We saved and saved but we still can't afford $81K in after tax dollars (almost $150K for us), x 4 years x 2 kids. We would have to make 600K to pay for one child to go to Northwestern. For two, it's $1.2 million. So don't lol until you've walked a mile in my shoes.

Why are you continually bombarding this thread even after saying that you "don't know anything about Northwestern" ? We get it, you chose UVA in-state. Gold star for you!

Times like these I wish we could just close a thread... but part of me also loves seeing just how crazy DCUM threads can get. Lol!

In sum, Northwestern is a better and more prestigious school than UVA in most regards. [b]Northwestern is ranked #9, while UVA is ranked #26. (I am only invoking rankings to bring some ordinal orderliness to this winding war of words.) HOWEVER, if you are a Virginian, UVA is a very compelling alternative.[/b]

Everyone happy now?

You can't compare a private university to a public. The more accurate USN&WR ranking to use for UVA is "Top Public University" where UVA ranks no. 4 after UCLA, Berkely and Michigan. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

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Anonymous wrote:Both good at the easier majors. NW is better. Both not good for the difficult majors.

What? NU is excellent at the so called difficult majors.

I think you'll find that the East Coast self-absorbedness of many of the posters on DCUM means they just immediately assume a school in so-called "fly-over country" could be as strong as Northwestern actually is. I'm originally from Michigan and it's strange to even see Northwestern being compared to UVA in the first place, with no offense intended to UVA. They're just very different schools by nature.

What? I'm from the Northeast and Northwestern (and Michigan) were both hot colleges 20 years ago with top 10% kids.

UVA, not so much. Only one kid went there - a LAX nut. If anything, people from the Northeast looked down on schools in the South. Particularly public schools.

Times have changed. With NU at $81K a year and UVA at $31K (we paid $16K last year because DD was off campus), in-state options are far more attractive, especially after some families' savings were decimated by COVID and jobs lost. We banked the difference and can now afford to send DD to Oxford. The UVA professors wrote amazing letters of recommendation for her. https://news.virginia.edu/content/record-number-uva-scholars-receive-fulbrights-0.

Yes, if parents aren't willing to pay for OOS tuition, then all of the in-state schools look much better.

For most, it has nothing to do with willingness. We saved and saved but we still can't afford $81K in after tax dollars (almost $150K for us), x 4 years x 2 kids. We would have to make 600K to pay for one child to go to Northwestern. For two, it's $1.2 million. So don't lol until you've walked a mile in my shoes.

Why are you continually bombarding this thread even after saying that you "don't know anything about Northwestern" ? We get it, you chose UVA in-state. Gold star for you!

Times like these I wish we could just close a thread... but part of me also loves seeing just how crazy DCUM threads can get. Lol!

In sum, Northwestern is a better and more prestigious school than UVA in most regards. Northwestern is ranked #9, while UVA is ranked #26. (I am only invoking rankings to bring some ordinal orderliness to this winding war of words.) HOWEVER, if you are a Virginian, UVA is a very compelling alternative**.

Everyone happy now?

**financially