Anonymous
07/21/2024 23:03
Subject: Re:Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Everyone here will have their own bias. I'd prefer to hear the most underrated cluster and why.
Most underrated: Rockville HS
+1
Rockville HS is a hidden gem.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 23:02
Subject: Re:Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Everyone here will have their own bias. I'd prefer to hear the most underrated cluster and why.
Most underrated: Rockville HS
Anonymous
07/21/2024 22:20
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Take a compass and draw about a 5 mile radius around every W school and see who really should go there. Boundaries are currenrly artificial based on political power.
RM and Wootton are less than 5 miles apart (2.7 miles).
Right, and this would be true in many other instances too. Schools are located where they're located, which can lead to unusually shaped boundaries.
As depressing as it is to say this, the idea you are trying to express is too difficult for some people here to understand. You could spend hours showing them maps and population distributions, and they would look at you with glazed eyes.
It isn't really. In fact, they're trying to convince others that we can't do better than the segregated boundaries from 50 years ago which is complete nonsense.
The boundaries are a reflection of where people live and where schools are physically located. You can make minor changes to the boundaries of top schools but you won't be able to make meaningful changes because of these constraints.
The racial makeup of Wootton, the school you singled out, has DRASTICALLY shifted in the last 50 years. Anyone is welcome to live there. Your real issue is that wealthy people exist. And unfortunately, no matter which racially charged words you use, MCPS will not solve that problem for you.
DP.
I find it interesting that Wootton seems to be the only high school in Montgomery County that has not received a major renovation.
It also has a high Asian population compared to other MCPS High Schools.
Can't help but wonder if the two are somehow correlated?
Anonymous
07/21/2024 19:38
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Take a compass and draw about a 5 mile radius around every W school and see who really should go there. Boundaries are currenrly artificial based on political power.
RM and Wootton are less than 5 miles apart (2.7 miles).
Right, and this would be true in many other instances too. Schools are located where they're located, which can lead to unusually shaped boundaries.
As depressing as it is to say this, the idea you are trying to express is too difficult for some people here to understand. You could spend hours showing them maps and population distributions, and they would look at you with glazed eyes.
It isn't really. In fact, they're trying to convince others that we can't do better than the segregated boundaries from 50 years ago which is complete nonsense.
The boundaries are a reflection of where people live and where schools are physically located. You can make minor changes to the boundaries of top schools but you won't be able to make meaningful changes because of these constraints.
The racial makeup of Wootton, the school you singled out, has DRASTICALLY shifted in the last 50 years. Anyone is welcome to live there. Your real issue is that wealthy people exist. And unfortunately, no matter which racially charged words you use, MCPS will not solve that problem for you.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 18:17
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The county released SAT averages by HS and demographic cohort a few years ago. By using race as a proxy for SES differences you could get a more nuanced sense of how these schools stack up. For example, the SAT average for the largest cohort common to these schools was,
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
It’s so eye-opening to realize things aren't always as they seem. The info is on page 8 at this link.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Yes. Very eye-opening how far behind "1326" was. The "1326" was the highest only for "White".
Poolesville was 1420 for Asian (the highest), 1380 for Black, and BCC was 1341 for 2+ races. All beat out the "1326", so..
The poster stated they were attempting to get an apples to apples comparison by looking at the largest cohort common to these schools.
Who wants a 7-year-old apple?
Little has changed since the county accidentally released that data. Further, it's the best we have to understand how these schools stack up by comparing the largest common cohorts as a proxy to SES we can better understand how their added value in how the same student might perform at one school or another.
Very strange to look only at white students in such a diverse district like MCPS, and make the assumption that all other groups are low SES.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 18:08
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Take a compass and draw about a 5 mile radius around every W school and see who really should go there. Boundaries are currenrly artificial based on political power.
RM and Wootton are less than 5 miles apart (2.7 miles).
Right, and this would be true in many other instances too. Schools are located where they're located, which can lead to unusually shaped boundaries.
As depressing as it is to say this, the idea you are trying to express is too difficult for some people here to understand. You could spend hours showing them maps and population distributions, and they would look at you with glazed eyes.
It isn't really. In fact, they're trying to convince others that we can't do better than the segregated boundaries from 50 years ago which is complete nonsense.
No, it was in response to a PP saying we should just draw a circle around each school and have that determine the attendees. The reality is significantly more complicated, due to the particulars of where school buildings have been built, their varying capacities, the housing density in different areas, etc. Still, we absolutely may be able to improve upon current boundaries; I have no doubt that the two coming studies will do so, in more ways than one.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 17:57
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Take a compass and draw about a 5 mile radius around every W school and see who really should go there. Boundaries are currenrly artificial based on political power.
RM and Wootton are less than 5 miles apart (2.7 miles).
Right, and this would be true in many other instances too. Schools are located where they're located, which can lead to unusually shaped boundaries.
As depressing as it is to say this, the idea you are trying to express is too difficult for some people here to understand. You could spend hours showing them maps and population distributions, and they would look at you with glazed eyes.
It isn't really. In fact, they're trying to convince others that we can't do better than the segregated boundaries from 50 years ago which is complete nonsense.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 17:56
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The county released SAT averages by HS and demographic cohort a few years ago. By using race as a proxy for SES differences you could get a more nuanced sense of how these schools stack up. For example, the SAT average for the largest cohort common to these schools was,
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
It’s so eye-opening to realize things aren't always as they seem. The info is on page 8 at this link.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Yes. Very eye-opening how far behind "1326" was. The "1326" was the highest only for "White".
Poolesville was 1420 for Asian (the highest), 1380 for Black, and BCC was 1341 for 2+ races. All beat out the "1326", so..
The poster stated they were attempting to get an apples to apples comparison by looking at the largest cohort common to these schools.
Who wants a 7-year-old apple?
Little has changed since the county accidentally released that data. Further, it's the best we have to understand how these schools stack up by comparing the largest common cohorts as a proxy to SES we can better understand how their added value in how the same student might perform at one school or another.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 15:40
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Take a compass and draw about a 5 mile radius around every W school and see who really should go there. Boundaries are currenrly artificial based on political power.
RM and Wootton are less than 5 miles apart (2.7 miles).
Right, and this would be true in many other instances too. Schools are located where they're located, which can lead to unusually shaped boundaries.
As depressing as it is to say this, the idea you are trying to express is too difficult for some people here to understand. You could spend hours showing them maps and population distributions, and they would look at you with glazed eyes.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 10:10
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The county released SAT averages by HS and demographic cohort a few years ago. By using race as a proxy for SES differences you could get a more nuanced sense of how these schools stack up. For example, the SAT average for the largest cohort common to these schools was,
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
It’s so eye-opening to realize things aren't always as they seem. The info is on page 8 at this link.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Yes. Very eye-opening how far behind "1326" was. The "1326" was the highest only for "White".
Poolesville was 1420 for Asian (the highest), 1380 for Black, and BCC was 1341 for 2+ races. All beat out the "1326", so..
The poster stated they were attempting to get an apples to apples comparison by looking at the largest cohort common to these schools.
Who wants a 7-year-old apple?
Anonymous
07/21/2024 08:56
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The county released SAT averages by HS and demographic cohort a few years ago. By using race as a proxy for SES differences you could get a more nuanced sense of how these schools stack up. For example, the SAT average for the largest cohort common to these schools was,
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
It’s so eye-opening to realize things aren't always as they seem. The info is on page 8 at this link.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Yes. Very eye-opening how far behind "1326" was. The "1326" was the highest only for "White".
Poolesville was 1420 for Asian (the highest), 1380 for Black, and BCC was 1341 for 2+ races. All beat out the "1326", so..
The poster stated they were attempting to get an apples to apples comparison by looking at the largest cohort common to these schools.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 08:16
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Take a compass and draw about a 5 mile radius around every W school and see who really should go there. Boundaries are currenrly artificial based on political power.
RM and Wootton are less than 5 miles apart (2.7 miles).
My point exactly
Anonymous
07/21/2024 00:21
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:The county released SAT averages by HS and demographic cohort a few years ago. By using race as a proxy for SES differences you could get a more nuanced sense of how these schools stack up. For example, the SAT average for the largest cohort common to these schools was,
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
It’s so eye-opening to realize things aren't always as they seem. The info is on page 8 at this link.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Yes. Very eye-opening how far behind "1326" was. The "1326" was the highest only for "White".
Poolesville was 1420 for Asian (the highest), 1380 for Black, and BCC was 1341 for 2+ races. All beat out the "1326", so..
Anonymous
07/21/2024 00:15
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:The county released SAT averages by HS and demographic cohort a few years ago. By using race as a proxy for SES differences you could get a more nuanced sense of how these schools stack up. For example, the SAT average for the largest cohort common to these schools was,
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
It’s so eye-opening to realize things aren't always as they seem. The info is on page 8 at this link.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Oh! You're the poster quoting old data from 2017 and who ignored Poolesville having the highest SAT average scores! But hey, if you want to dwell on past data, sure.
Attachment page 5, Poolesville 81.2% (2016) and 74.6 (2017) of students took any SAT while Blair was under 70% both years.
Attachment Page 10 (Most Recent Mean Redesigned SAT Total), Poolesville 1337, Whitman 1302, Blair 1174 (20 above Watkins Mill).
Seriously though, why are you so stuck on this data? It's really weird.
Anonymous
07/20/2024 14:04
Subject: Most Overrated High School Cluster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Take a compass and draw about a 5 mile radius around every W school and see who really should go there. Boundaries are currenrly artificial based on political power.
RM and Wootton are less than 5 miles apart (2.7 miles).
Right, and this would be true in many other instances too. Schools are located where they're located, which can lead to unusually shaped boundaries.