The PP did a good job outlining the extra demands associated with teaching online. For some reason, some posters have it out for academics. Are they trumpers who believe that anyone with formal education is "an elite" or stressed out parents, blaming professors for high tuition rates?

Hard to say, but most of them are extremely uninformed about the lives of academics (many of whom, for example, are responsible for bringing in grants that cover 85 % of their salaries and 100% of the salaries of their research staff). It is not a cushy existence.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes you professors so much more special than anyone else that needs to make a living and has to interact with the general public?

It looks to me like there might be some job openings coming up in academia!

Ever heard of a thing called tenure? A professor is not going to be fired for asking to teach a different class or moving their class online if they deem it not to be safe to teach on campus. You clearly don't work in academia.

I am in academia. And most schools are not going to let each professor decide what they want to teach and how they will teach it. Tenure or no. These decisions are made at an institutional level.

Not at my large institution. It's at the department level. Maybe at a small school it works that way.

+1 These kinds of decisions are at the department level in my school too. We have a meeting, we discuss what courses need to be offered and faculty decide which they want to teach when based on what courses students need to complete their degrees and what courses we think will benefit their learning. I can decide if I want to teach on-line, hybrid or not, what course(s) make sense and how they are taught. If the minimum required students enroll, it meets my teaching obligation. If less than the minimum enroll, I have to cancel the course and take on a different one, use a course release from a research grant, use up a prior course overload etc. The only thing different now is that I may be obligated to teach on-line if health/safety suggestions make that an institutional policy--such as this semester when my courses shifted to on-line when the university closed face-to-face operations. Few schools--if any--are going to force a professor to teach in person.

PP literally has nothing to say here. Lots of misdirected anger but nothing to contribute.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes you professors so much more special than anyone else that needs to make a living and has to interact with the general public?

It looks to me like there might be some job openings coming up in academia!

Don't you think they'd do nursery home care or prison care, or meat processing online if they could, to save lives? Also, faculty at colleges tend to be older than the general working population - the youngest faculty are in their low 30s these days!

Such the 'tude. You guys seem perfectly happy to use whatever excuse to put out a low quality online product.

It would be interesting to see that this attitude is more prevalent in the humanities professors than those with greater numerical literacy.

PP here. I am not in the humanities. I teach very math-heavy courses, actually. So I do understand the statistics. Perhaps you don't. And we haven't even seen the statistics on long-term damage yet! Switching my courses to online would actually be *much* more work than simply showing up to class with my existing class notes!
Glad to see how much the parents of our students value our lives, and the lives of our kids. Thanks so much for caring for us! I assume you are volunteering to work in a nursing home at the moment, because it's such a low-risk profession, and you could help people so much. I know they are looking for staff atm.

Well I guess math-heavy Prof, you get to keep your paycheck, even with the added burden of online teaching. How's the rest of your university doing? Like the folks in support jobs. Are you contributing towards their paychecks?

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Anonymous wrote:What makes you professors so much more special than anyone else that needs to make a living and has to interact with the general public?

It looks to me like there might be some job openings coming up in academia!

Don't you think they'd do nursery home care or prison care, or meat processing online if they could, to save lives? Also, faculty at colleges tend to be older than the general working population - the youngest faculty are in their low 30s these days!

Such the 'tude. You guys seem perfectly happy to use whatever excuse to put out a low quality online product.

It would be interesting to see that this attitude is more prevalent in the humanities professors than those with greater numerical literacy.

PP here. I am not in the humanities. I teach very math-heavy courses, actually. So I do understand the statistics. Perhaps you don't. And we haven't even seen the statistics on long-term damage yet! Switching my courses to online would actually be *much* more work than simply showing up to class with my existing class notes!
Glad to see how much the parents of our students value our lives, and the lives of our kids. Thanks so much for caring for us! I assume you are volunteering to work in a nursing home at the moment, because it's such a low-risk profession, and you could help people so much. I know they are looking for staff atm.

Another professor PP. I am in STEM. My "numerical literacy" is quite good, and so is my ability to read the peer-reviewed journal articles that are coming out on how this virus affects various organ systems. I will +1 everything this PP said. It would have been SO much easier to show up to class and teach my courses face to face. Converting to online meant I had to re-think how to do some of the assignments and group activities. I have spent hours finding online resources that allow my students to engage in the kind of inquiry-based learning they would have been doing in class, that are not impossible for them to download or understand how to use without me there to walk them through it. I also spend a lot more time grading now, because I can't gauge students' understanding on the spot. I am having them write little journal entries where they ask questions about things they don't understand, and I then have to type out responses to each and every one, and address some of them again in recorded sessions. This is so much more inefficient than just taking questions during a class and re-teaching a topic on the spot. But please, tell me more about how I am looking for excuses to do less work.

Of we don't have statistics for the long term effects (presumably associated with an actual hospitalization). That statement is almost tautological by definition. However, we do have statistics on hospitalization and mortality incidence based on demographics. Furthermore, there are plenty of studies on health and other effects due to economic inactivity.

If you don't have underlying conditions and if you are not of the age when you should have retired earlier to make the academic job market better for me, this disease presents a very low risk.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes you professors so much more special than anyone else that needs to make a living and has to interact with the general public?

It looks to me like there might be some job openings coming up in academia!

Don't you think they'd do nursery home care or prison care, or meat processing online if they could, to save lives? Also, faculty at colleges tend to be older than the general working population - the youngest faculty are in their low 30s these days!

Such the 'tude. You guys seem perfectly happy to use whatever excuse to put out a low quality online product.

It would be interesting to see that this attitude is more prevalent in the humanities professors than those with greater numerical literacy.

PP here. I am not in the humanities. I teach very math-heavy courses, actually. So I do understand the statistics. Perhaps you don't. And we haven't even seen the statistics on long-term damage yet! Switching my courses to online would actually be *much* more work than simply showing up to class with my existing class notes!
Glad to see how much the parents of our students value our lives, and the lives of our kids. Thanks so much for caring for us! I assume you are volunteering to work in a nursing home at the moment, because it's such a low-risk profession, and you could help people so much. I know they are looking for staff atm.

Anonymous wrote:Wuhan China who originated this virus was able to open up their 8 million person city after 8-10 weeks. Business is getting back to normal with some restrictions particularly on in bound travel to prevent reinfection.

True but I believe their schools and universities are still only doing online classes.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes you professors so much more special than anyone else that needs to make a living and has to interact with the general public?

It looks to me like there might be some job openings coming up in academia!

Don't you think they'd do nursery home care or prison care, or meat processing online if they could, to save lives? Also, faculty at colleges tend to be older than the general working population - the youngest faculty are in their low 30s these days!

Such the 'tude. You guys seem perfectly happy to use whatever excuse to put out a low quality online product.

It would be interesting to see that this attitude is more prevalent in the humanities professors than those with greater numerical literacy.

Anonymous wrote:What makes you professors so much more special than anyone else that needs to make a living and has to interact with the general public?

It looks to me like there might be some job openings coming up in academia!

Don't you think they'd do nursery home care or prison care, or meat processing online if they could, to save lives? Also, faculty at colleges tend to be older than the general working population - the youngest faculty are in their low 30s these days!

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Anonymous wrote:What makes you professors so much more special than anyone else that needs to make a living and has to interact with the general public?

It looks to me like there might be some job openings coming up in academia!

Ever heard of a thing called tenure? A professor is not going to be fired for asking to teach a different class or moving their class online if they deem it not to be safe to teach on campus. You clearly don't work in academia.

I am in academia. And most schools are not going to let each professor decide what they want to teach and how they will teach it. Tenure or no. These decisions are made at an institutional level.

Not at my large institution. It's at the department level. Maybe at a small school it works that way.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes you professors so much more special than anyone else that needs to make a living and has to interact with the general public?

It looks to me like there might be some job openings coming up in academia!

Ever heard of a thing called tenure? A professor is not going to be fired for asking to teach a different class or moving their class online if they deem it not to be safe to teach on campus. You clearly don't work in academia.

I am in academia. And most schools are not going to let each professor decide what they want to teach and how they will teach it. Tenure or no. These decisions are made at an institutional level.

Anonymous wrote:What makes you professors so much more special than anyone else that needs to make a living and has to interact with the general public?

It looks to me like there might be some job openings coming up in academia!

Ever heard of a thing called tenure? A professor is not going to be fired for asking to teach a different class or moving their class online if they deem it not to be safe to teach on campus. You clearly don't work in academia.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes you professors so much more special than anyone else that needs to make a living and has to interact with the general public?

It looks to me like there might be some job openings coming up in academia!

They are due for a rude awakening. The ivory towers will not be the same after this.

You keep posting the same sh&t on the college threads. What's your beef (I think I know)?

Anonymous wrote:I'm deciding that is what people do when they are nervous and have no control.

Which is fine - but to proclaim it as fact (my best friend's brother's ex girlfriend is a very part time adjunct professor that teaches one class a year at Stanford), and get the other people in a tailspin, is uncalled for.

We don't care what you heard, we care what the college's official statements say, and none of that is out yet, because most states haven't even opened up yet. A little logic, anyone?

What puzzles me is that people in this area absolutely pride themselves on having no EQ - yet they are the first to be out of control, nervous breakdown emotional about their "loss of control". My God, keep your head together, stop drinking all that chardonnay, and learn some healthy habits other than Instagramming. Act like an educated adult, for crying out loud - you are not your teenage daughter. Damn.