Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 12:33     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.


There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.


A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.


With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 11:44     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.


There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.


A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 10:55     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.


There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 10:09     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Problem is that those are the jobs that no one really wants especially in a high COL area such as ours. All that education, money and time to spend in a job that doesn't pay and has the potential to be dangerous emotionally, mentally and physically? And the potential for lawsuits...
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 10:07     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Fewer. Not less. Ugh.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 10:06     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 09:58     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
This PC crap has swung back so hard, that kids who need extra support are not getting due to numbers looking bad. If a kid doesn’t get the help they need because of the color of their skin, we used to call it racism. I don’t know what we call the current problem.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 09:49     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the kid can't return to school unless parent shows up, parent will show up.


How do you breathing that bubble?


This. Where do you live/work PP?
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 09:00     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:If the kid can't return to school unless parent shows up, parent will show up.


How do you breathing that bubble?
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2020 07:59     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:If the kid can't return to school unless parent shows up, parent will show up.


I wish. I've had kids suspended whose parents don't show up for the in-take meeting. Parents either send the kid in on the bus or drive up to a neighboring corner and drop them off. I then have the kid sit in the office for hours while trying to get the parent to answer the phone. It's reached points where I've had to have grandparents called so that SOMEONE comes in and meets with us and the student. Sends a terrible message to everyone involved.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2020 22:49     Subject: Re:Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
If the kid can't return to school unless parent shows up, parent will show up.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2020 16:42     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.


That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.


+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.


What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?


Not the PP, but a mandatory parent or guardian sit-in for a school day. Or at least half day. County-wide. Just like jury duty. Show a letter to employer. Instead of suspension, the parent needs to come in and spend the day with the student. Observe each class from the back, watch lunch, PE, etc...

Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.


BRILLIANT!!!

This is what is called accountability. Many don’t like that. They will shout unfair for sure. But I think it is what school systems need.


How is this brilliant? The parents just won't show up and the student will still face zero actual consequences.


I'd say at least half of parents would indeed show up, and it would probably help.

In the Damascus rape case, the ringleader had been transferred from multiple other schools due to behavioral issues. His mother would not do anything about his behavior, so all school officials could do was transfer the problem around. But my guess is most parents aren't like that.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2020 16:12     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Sounds like a Hail Mary for freshmen.

Central admin is hoping all the truancy cases will start going to school every day in order to play a sport. Chances are high that absenteeism, both in class and now at sport, will continue.

Might work for track, but that’s in spring so you still have 6 mos of bad behavior before your Hail Mary kicks in.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2020 12:44     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:It sounds like children and teens with behavioral issues
of all colors--white, hispanic, asian, and black will no
longer be disciplined and essentially are considered throwaway children.

How can children and teens that are not disciplined in the schools and in the home be expected to function on jobs?

It sounds like the throwaway disruptive children are fast tracking to jail and prison.


They are disciplined it's just that some parents prefer old school methods that have been shown to be ineffective.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2020 12:04     Subject: Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice
Anonymous wrote:I think if behavior gets worse, people are going to create their own schools like they are doing in Florida. Given the demographics and who has control of resources, these schools will be disproportionately white and Asian.





Homeschooling is also becoming increasingly popular.