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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

I dunno. I loved the show. My 8yo daughter watched it—she’s a gymnast who can shimmy to the top of a rope, so she had some idea how physically difficult it is to do what JLo did.

I truly think this thread reflects some WW pearl clutching at JLo’s performance. I think they are disturbed by a curvy non-white woman gyrating, tbh. I thought overall it was great. And great that my brown daughter 1st gen daughter could see this performance by Latinas as representative of the future America, a multicultural America.

I found the show racist. They put two women of color on stage and had them dance like strippers. Would they have white women dancing like that? Lady Gaga didn’t dance like that. The sad truth is that they had to wear less clothing and dance like that because they are minorities. And people are more accepting of it because they are minorities.

Sad but hilarious you think it’s a good thing your first grader watched two minorities disrespect themselves on national tv for white producers.

They danced like that because their culture, their community, and their music genres are more accepting that. I say more power to them that they have the freedom to do what they want and they look gorgeous while doing it!

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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

It’s past your bedtime.

I agree with pp 100%.
Women's empowerment, my ass.
This was objectification of women.

Completely. Total objectification of both women. Clearly they don’t have a lot of musical talent to offer if they have to sell their bodies like that. The show was pathetic and trashy. I think it’s so sad that women with millions of dollars think they should get up on a stage and act like that.

Umm... how do you think they made those millions of dollars Susan?

They have done plenty of other work, including MUSIC played on the radio, that doesn’t involve them stimulating sex at a football game.

Anonymous wrote:Public displays of sexuality is disgusting. I had to shield Ruth and Gloria’s little eyes. Meanwhile I look over and my husband is grinning like a buffoon. He is back to the guest room.

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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

It’s past your bedtime.

I agree with pp 100%.
Women's empowerment, my ass.
This was objectification of women.

Completely. Total objectification of both women. Clearly they don’t have a lot of musical talent to offer if they have to sell their bodies like that. The show was pathetic and trashy. I think it’s so sad that women with millions of dollars think they should get up on a stage and act like that.

This must be the first time you saw either of them perform. It was exactly what I expected from both of them. It’s football, not church.

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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

I dunno. I loved the show. My 8yo daughter watched it—she’s a gymnast who can shimmy to the top of a rope, so she had some idea how physically difficult it is to do what JLo did.

I truly think this thread reflects some WW pearl clutching at JLo’s performance. I think they are disturbed by a curvy non-white woman gyrating, tbh. I thought overall it was great. And great that my brown daughter 1st gen daughter could see this performance by Latinas as representative of the future America, a multicultural America.

I found the show racist. They put two women of color on stage and had them dance like strippers. Would they have white women dancing like that? Lady Gaga didn’t dance like that. The sad truth is that they had to wear less clothing and dance like that because they are minorities. And people are more accepting of it because they are minorities.

Sad but hilarious you think it’s a good thing your first grader watched two minorities disrespect themselves on national tv for white producers.

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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

+1000

I agree. It was a great performance but it was a bit too sexual. It looked like a big orgy below jlo when she was on the pole. I loved it when the kids came out and also thought the dancing was superb.

Haha! Same thing I told my DH. I hated the stripper part. Had she left that whole set out it would’ve been better. That part was super weird.

Agree. We had a commercial with girls playing football only to go to Jlo pole dancing and crotch shots.

Public displays of sexuality is disgusting. I had to shield Ruth and Gloria’s little eyes. Meanwhile I look over and my husband is grinning like a buffoon. He is back to the guest room.

Loved the political statement. Very bold. But didn’t love Jlo’s performance. Shakira rocked though. She shook her thang but played some instruments and didn’t take herself too serious by making some crazy noise and face during her performance.

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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

It’s past your bedtime.

I agree with pp 100%.
Women's empowerment, my ass.
This was objectification of women.

Completely. Total objectification of both women. Clearly they don’t have a lot of musical talent to offer if they have to sell their bodies like that. The show was pathetic and trashy. I think it’s so sad that women with millions of dollars think they should get up on a stage and act like that.

Umm... how do you think they made those millions of dollars Susan?

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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

I dunno. I loved the show. My 8yo daughter watched it—she’s a gymnast who can shimmy to the top of a rope, so she had some idea how physically difficult it is to do what JLo did.

I truly think this thread reflects some WW pearl clutching at JLo’s performance. I think they are disturbed by a curvy non-white woman gyrating, tbh. I thought overall it was great. And great that my brown daughter 1st gen daughter could see this performance by Latinas as representative of the future America, a multicultural America.

FTR, I'm the PP from the first page who said the show was fantastic and followed up with a post applauding bringing out the PR flag. I'm a middle aged white woman. Can we stop making assumptions about people's race?

PP here. I've bolded a key word here. Not racist. Also, I'd guess most (not all) of the women offended are older.

48 yo who loved it. Shakira is one of my favorite singers. Jlo looks awesome!

Anonymous wrote:So kids in cages and the girl singing born in the USA was a reference to dreamers?

Oh wow I totally missed that. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

It’s past your bedtime.

I agree with pp 100%.
Women's empowerment, my ass.
This was objectification of women.

Completely. Total objectification of both women. Clearly they don’t have a lot of musical talent to offer if they have to sell their bodies like that. The show was pathetic and trashy. I think it’s so sad that women with millions of dollars think they should get up on a stage and act like that.

Indeed. Women are only empowered when they have the power to do what you agree with, not what they want to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall the show was fine - good even. Entertaining. Loved Shakira. JLo would have been great if she had just toned down the sex. Shakira just did the sexy thing in a more classy way. Plus she had a little skirt. It seemed like showing off the body was JLo’s top priority.

+1000

Exactly

Engineer here. Live audio is tough in that type of environment and stage setup. You can't really place monitor speakers anywhere since the stage and performer move around a huge amount, and the sound guys go nuts as the performers move because you risk feedback/reverb depending on their positioning in relation to the speakers. It's a 360-degrees stage and audience, so there's never a "behind the stage" direction where your audio is "safe" from feedback. No matter which way they face, there's audience speakers behind them ready to kill their mic with feedback.

Some parts of the audio were live -- you could tell as the voices had more of an echo effect when they did, but still my hats off to the audio engineers for making it work.. and to the gaffers and grips -- they set up that entire stage in about 10 minutes, then tore it all down again in 10 minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:I hated it. The last thing I want my daughters to think is that what is 'empowering' for women is to dance half naked in sexual ways for the enjoyment of men. That has been happening for generation and generation in strip clubs. I don't particularly think it is all that empowering. It that is what others want for their daughters - great. Teach them to take their clothes off and pole dance and shake their bodies and simulate sex for men's enjoyment. We don't look to strip clubs as our model for female empowerment.

As someone said we don't teach boys to take off their clothes and use their bodies for women's enjoyment.

+1000

I agree. It was a great performance but it was a bit too sexual. It looked like a big orgy below jlo when she was on the pole. I loved it when the kids came out and also thought the dancing was superb.

Haha! Same thing I told my DH. I hated the stripper part. Had she left that whole set out it would’ve been better. That part was super weird.