Anonymous
12/28/2019 21:25
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:I like how OP continues to monitor this thread and thank everyone who agrees with her. Get a life OP.
I love it when people who post on here deride other people who post on here. You’re just as much of a loser for monitoring a thread that isn’t even yours.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 21:23
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mom, you know we're Jewish and our family will not be saying Christian grace before meals. I respect your religion and you are free to say grace or pray in our presence, but we will not be participating. Rinse & repeat.
OP made it clear that the mom’s proposal for grace is generic and not Christian.
It doesn’t mention Jesus but it does ask God to help the hungry and poor, as well as thanking God for the food. It strikes me as Christian thematically but I could be wrong.
This is how I read it also. The mom is trying to make is seem not specifically Christian by eliminating Jesus, but the nature of the grace is Christian and does not follow Jewish beliefs.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 21:22
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
I like how OP continues to monitor this thread and thank everyone who agrees with her. Get a life OP.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 21:19
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP has an issue with her mother. The one who converted and raised her Jewish. Why is OP calling her Catholic?
? My mom didn’t convert. I was raised as a Reform Jew.
Be grateful that your mother was so tolerant then. You know what? Many devout Christians have a big problem with their children being raised not to accept Jesus as the Son of God and their Savior. Yet your mother allowed it. Seems to me that she made an awfully big sacrifice from her point of view. You’re an ingrate for not seeing that. You obviously think very little of your mother. It’s all about you.
Completely and utterly WRONG.
OP here. Thank you.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 21:13
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP has an issue with her mother. The one who converted and raised her Jewish. Why is OP calling her Catholic?
? My mom didn’t convert. I was raised as a Reform Jew.
Be grateful that your mother was so tolerant then. You know what? Many devout Christians have a big problem with their children being raised not to accept Jesus as the Son of God and their Savior. Yet your mother allowed it. Seems to me that she made an awfully big sacrifice from her point of view. You’re an ingrate for not seeing that. You obviously think very little of your mother. It’s all about you.
Completely and utterly WRONG.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 21:06
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mom, you know we're Jewish and our family will not be saying Christian grace before meals. I respect your religion and you are free to say grace or pray in our presence, but we will not be participating. Rinse & repeat.
OP made it clear that the mom’s proposal for grace is generic and not Christian.
It doesn’t mention Jesus but it does ask God to help the hungry and poor, as well as thanking God for the food. It strikes me as Christian thematically but I could be wrong.
Feeding the poor and the hungry are exclusively Christian? Now you’re just looking to argue.
As we’ve said before, it’s not Jewish to make those appeals before meal. This has been covered at the beginning of this thread.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 21:02
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mom, you know we're Jewish and our family will not be saying Christian grace before meals. I respect your religion and you are free to say grace or pray in our presence, but we will not be participating. Rinse & repeat.
OP made it clear that the mom’s proposal for grace is generic and not Christian.
It doesn’t mention Jesus but it does ask God to help the hungry and poor, as well as thanking God for the food. It strikes me as Christian thematically but I could be wrong.
Feeding the poor and the hungry are exclusively Christian? Now you’re just looking to argue.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 21:01
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe this thread is this long. WHAT DO YOU WANT, OP?!?! You've been given every conceivable option. You're just being stubborn. I feel sorry for your mother. Doesn't Judaism embrace tolerance, understanding, and compassion?
You do realize these are OP’s children right? I listen to the opinions of my parents and in laws. I respect their advice and if they suggested something I’d think about it an maybe post about it to get people’s ideas. But in the end, it’s my husband and my decision. I don’t need to find common ground or compromise unless I think that’s right for my kids. OP should feel free to do the same.
Thank you.
I have a feeling some of these posters feel threatened by someone not wanting to incorporate Christian practices in their home, given the anti-Catholic comments that have been said to me.
I wonder what the reaction would have been if I had been Catholic and the request was that I have my kid say Jewish prayers everyday, even in the absence of a Jewish grandparent.
You said this wasn’t a specifically Christian grace.
I’m all for you and your DH making your own decision. But trying to turn this into an anti-Christian thing, when what you describe doesn’t seem to have much to do with Christianity, is going a bit far.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 20:58
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mom, you know we're Jewish and our family will not be saying Christian grace before meals. I respect your religion and you are free to say grace or pray in our presence, but we will not be participating. Rinse & repeat.
OP made it clear that the mom’s proposal for grace is generic and not Christian.
It doesn’t mention Jesus but it does ask God to help the hungry and poor, as well as thanking God for the food. It strikes me as Christian thematically but I could be wrong.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 20:58
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP has an issue with her mother. The one who converted and raised her Jewish. Why is OP calling her Catholic?
? My mom didn’t convert. I was raised as a Reform Jew.
Be grateful that your mother was so tolerant then. You know what? Many devout Christians have a big problem with their children being raised not to accept Jesus as the Son of God and their Savior. Yet your mother allowed it. Seems to me that she made an awfully big sacrifice from her point of view. You’re an ingrate for not seeing that. You obviously think very little of your mother. It’s all about you. [/quote
What?
If her mother did not want to raise her as a jew she did not have to.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 20:56
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Mom, you know we're Jewish and our family will not be saying Christian grace before meals. I respect your religion and you are free to say grace or pray in our presence, but we will not be participating. Rinse & repeat.
OP made it clear that the mom’s proposal for grace is generic and not Christian.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 20:48
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP has an issue with her mother. The one who converted and raised her Jewish. Why is OP calling her Catholic?
? My mom didn’t convert. I was raised as a Reform Jew.
Be grateful that your mother was so tolerant then. You know what? Many devout Christians have a big problem with their children being raised not to accept Jesus as the Son of God and their Savior. Yet your mother allowed it. Seems to me that she made an awfully big sacrifice from her point of view. You’re an ingrate for not seeing that. You obviously think very little of your mother. It’s all about you.
I’m an ingrate for not wanting to say Christian grace in my home when my mother isn’t around?
JUST DON'T DO IT THEN! You have to be a troll. You just have to be.
Just give it a rest please. You must be so lucky as to never have a problem dealing with family.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 20:41
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Mom, you know we're Jewish and our family will not be saying Christian grace before meals. I respect your religion and you are free to say grace or pray in our presence, but we will not be participating. Rinse & repeat.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 20:39
Subject: Re:Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You have the right to raise your kids as you want, but technically you are actually not Jewish and neither are your children unless you converted when you married your husband.
In Judaism, the religion is passed from mother to children. So maybe this is where you mom is coming from as she sees (correctly) her grand kids as Christians.
No flame please, I am just pointing out the law.
Now if you want to raise your kids Jewish, I am sure you are aware of the prayer on "washing of hands" followed by the prayer on bread, both are said before eating a meal. And pretty much ANY food has to have a prayer BEFORE eating (haEtz, Hadama, ChaAhKol, ...). In fact, in Judaism, you actually recognize God in pretty much everything. The largest difference between Christianity and Judaism (without wanting to go into theological discussions) is that the God of Israel is unique (no man is or can become God -- nothing with trinity and virgin birth) AND the God of Israel is not into "turning your other cheek" stuff. That is very Christian.
But praying God to have given us what we eat, is not Christian per-se.
It was hard to prove paternity in ancient Israel, so maternal lineage made more sense. I doubt that ancient Hebrews knew anything about mitochondrial DNA. Remember, King David’s mother was not an Israelite. I think we should
let this antiquated rule be put to rest.
Anonymous
12/28/2019 20:35
Subject: Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's good for your kids to feel comfortable with saying grace. They'll encounter it a lot in other settings.
That’s different than having it be part of her religion education, which is what my mom is saying. She says we should do it in our home. Why would we do that when we’re not Christian?
No, your mom doesn't decide what happens in your home.