Anonymous wrote:But I'll ask: Are any of you doing this at the urging of your doctor? Do you talk to your doctor about your eating patterns? Do the doctors tell you it's a good idea to go 48 hours without eating? Which doctor told you that, if so?

And are you fasting for some reason other than weight loss or weight maintenance? I'm not saying do you experience secondary benefits - like the mental clarity and feeling of control some of you have mentioned - but if you stopped losing weight, or stopped maintaining your weight, would you keep going two full days without eating?

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Anonymous wrote:What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

+1000 Yet, trainers and nutritionists spout this line of bull ALL the time. Adults do not need to eat like newborn babies. Healthy grown bodies can, in fact, do without food for a stretch of time. What you don't want to do is walk around with chronically jacked up blood sugar.

Who is saying that adults need to eat like newborn babies? The all or nothing thinking on many of these posts is telling.

Look, if IF works for you, great. But the claim that everyone who doesn't do it is a fat fatty who can't control their eating suggests unhealthy attitudes towards food (and fat). Do you not see that?

You do not need a "healthy" snack every 4 hours. You just don't. Our bodies are meant to go for stretches without eating.

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Anonymous wrote:What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

+1000 Yet, trainers and nutritionists spout this line of bull ALL the time. Adults do not need to eat like newborn babies. Healthy grown bodies can, in fact, do without food for a stretch of time. What you don't want to do is walk around with chronically jacked up blood sugar.

Who is saying that adults need to eat like newborn babies? The all or nothing thinking on many of these posts is telling.

Look, if IF works for you, great. But the claim that everyone who doesn't do it is a fat fatty who can't control their eating suggests unhealthy attitudes towards food (and fat). Do you not see that?

You do not need a "healthy" snack every 4 hours. You just don't. Our bodies are meant to go for stretches without eating.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

+1000 Yet, trainers and nutritionists spout this line of bull ALL the time. Adults do not need to eat like newborn babies. Healthy grown bodies can, in fact, do without food for a stretch of time. What you don't want to do is walk around with chronically jacked up blood sugar.

Who is saying that adults need to eat like newborn babies? The all or nothing thinking on many of these posts is telling.

Look, if IF works for you, great. But the claim that everyone who doesn't do it is a fat fatty who can't control their eating suggests unhealthy attitudes towards food (and fat). Do you not see that?

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Anonymous wrote:What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

+1000 Yet, trainers and nutritionists spout this line of bull ALL the time. Adults do not need to eat like newborn babies. Healthy grown bodies can, in fact, do without food for a stretch of time. What you don't want to do is walk around with chronically jacked up blood sugar.

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Anonymous wrote:Re the focus on only doing this with a doctor's advice.

With regard to diabetes, the medical advice is colored by pharma, which makes billions on diabetes medicine. The current standard of care for diabetes that gets too far is to recommend bariatric surgery. That is because, like fasting, it reduces food intake and reduces insulin levels and viola, Type II diabetes is reversed. The medical community appears to be coming along slowly on this front. If he followed his doctor's advice of starting medication my DH would have been on medication for almost 2 years now and probably would still feel miserable, be gaining weight and getting worse. Yes, the side effects of diabetes medications are often weight gain, which exacerbates the illness. By treating the symptons and not the cause they are making patients sicker.

So, no, we did not follow the doctor's advice, we researched it and decided to starting with low carb (this was medical advice) and intermittent fasting, along with monitoring his blood sugar levels daily to make sure nothing was going wrong and the medical professionals could not be happier with his progress. Has he risked his health by skipping breakfast most days. Not at all. Is he healthier than he was 2 years ago, absolutely.

Managing insulin resistance is a matter of both meal timing and diet.

I absolutely agree that a patient that is taking insulin for diabetes needs to fast with doctor supervision as their medication needs to be adjusted as their insulin levels reduce as a funciton of the fasting.

Your husband is doing an awesome job and I'm sure that he will never regret taking the bull by the horns and wrestling type II to the ground. I did the same thing - low carb, IF, exercise - I dropped weight and feel great. Yes, it takes some discipline but it is totally worth it to me if it keeps me from developing type II and going on diabetes meds. Plus, I get the added benefit of looking a lot better and wearing cute clothes .

Anonymous wrote:What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

Anonymous wrote:Re the focus on only doing this with a doctor's advice.

With regard to diabetes, the medical advice is colored by pharma, which makes billions on diabetes medicine. The current standard of care for diabetes that gets too far is to recommend bariatric surgery. That is because, like fasting, it reduces food intake and reduces insulin levels and viola, Type II diabetes is reversed. The medical community appears to be coming along slowly on this front. If he followed his doctor's advice of starting medication my DH would have been on medication for almost 2 years now and probably would still feel miserable, be gaining weight and getting worse. Yes, the side effects of diabetes medications are often weight gain, which exacerbates the illness. By treating the symptons and not the cause they are making patients sicker.

So, no, we did not follow the doctor's advice, we researched it and decided to starting with low carb (this was medical advice) and intermittent fasting, along with monitoring his blood sugar levels daily to make sure nothing was going wrong and the medical professionals could not be happier with his progress. Has he risked his health by skipping breakfast most days. Not at all. Is he healthier than he was 2 years ago, absolutely.

Managing insulin resistance is a matter of both meal timing and diet.

I absolutely agree that a patient that is taking insulin for diabetes needs to fast with doctor supervision as their medication needs to be adjusted as their insulin levels reduce as a funciton of the fasting.