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Anonymous wrote:Jon checked out on his family and Kate did what she had to do to survive.

Yep, and the video evidence shows no reason why he should have checked out, especially since Kate is the perfect example of calm, composure, kindness, and all things good. Why would he ever leave such an open hearted, amazing soul?

Getting a divorce is not the same as checking out on your kids. He did both. Kate being a very difficult personality is not a reason to abandon your children, which is what he did.

I have sympathy for Kate because in a lot of ways she's a single mother and that means she does everything and is judged against her mistakes, while the absent father does essentially nothing but is judged against some non-standard where "at least he didn't make the mistake the person who has the kids 24/7/365 made 2.5 years ago on Thursday."

I see this IRL too - guys who do essentially nothing get praised for seeing their kids on the holidays while moms get dragged for sending the kids to school with mismatched socks.

Kate doesn't have to be a sweetheart for Jon to be trash.

He didn't check out. He was not allowed contact. He fought in court and lost. What else can he do? He showed up for visitation and he was refused the kids. He went to court and judge did nothing except say send the kids. Do you realize how many fathers have that experience and then get blamed? He should have been given 50/50 and not she should have been held in contempt for the visitation refusal. He wasn't an absent father. He went to his visitation which is all he was allowed. She turned the kids against him and they "refused" to go with him.

You're claiming some contradictory things. He certainly was allowed contact, that's what the judge saying "send the kids" means. He said that 4 of them refused to visit him, which you're saying (as he did) is because she turned them against him. Half of your kids refusing to visit you is not the same as "not allowed contact." And when 2 of the 4 that don't want to see you are the oldest, it doesn't make a strong case for parental alienation. If it was Kate feeding them lies then the younger ones would have been more susceptible than the ones who had more memories of their dad.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon checked out on his family and Kate did what she had to do to survive.

Yep, and the video evidence shows no reason why he should have checked out, especially since Kate is the perfect example of calm, composure, kindness, and all things good. Why would he ever leave such an open hearted, amazing soul?

Getting a divorce is not the same as checking out on your kids. He did both. Kate being a very difficult personality is not a reason to abandon your children, which is what he did.

I have sympathy for Kate because in a lot of ways she's a single mother and that means she does everything and is judged against her mistakes, while the absent father does essentially nothing but is judged against some non-standard where "at least he didn't make the mistake the person who has the kids 24/7/365 made 2.5 years ago on Thursday."

I see this IRL too - guys who do essentially nothing get praised for seeing their kids on the holidays while moms get dragged for sending the kids to school with mismatched socks.

Kate doesn't have to be a sweetheart for Jon to be trash.

Anonymous wrote:Start watching this clip around 3:00 and see how mean Kate is to Collin. She keeps telling him she's going to throw his Teddy bear in the trash. Poor Collin says "but he's my buddy!"

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Anonymous wrote:Jon checked out on his family and Kate did what she had to do to survive.

Yep, and the video evidence shows no reason why he should have checked out, especially since Kate is the perfect example of calm, composure, kindness, and all things good. Why would he ever leave such an open hearted, amazing soul?

Getting a divorce is not the same as checking out on your kids. He did both. Kate being a very difficult personality is not a reason to abandon your children, which is what he did.

I have sympathy for Kate because in a lot of ways she's a single mother and that means she does everything and is judged against her mistakes, while the absent father does essentially nothing but is judged against some non-standard where "at least he didn't make the mistake the person who has the kids 24/7/365 made 2.5 years ago on Thursday."

I see this IRL too - guys who do essentially nothing get praised for seeing their kids on the holidays while moms get dragged for sending the kids to school with mismatched socks.

Kate doesn't have to be a sweetheart for Jon to be trash.

He didn't check out. He was not allowed contact. He fought in court and lost. What else can he do? He showed up for visitation and he was refused the kids. He went to court and judge did nothing except say send the kids. Do you realize how many fathers have that experience and then get blamed? He should have been given 50/50 and not she should have been held in contempt for the visitation refusal. He wasn't an absent father. He went to his visitation which is all he was allowed. She turned the kids against him and they "refused" to go with him.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon checked out on his family and Kate did what she had to do to survive.

Yep, and the video evidence shows no reason why he should have checked out, especially since Kate is the perfect example of calm, composure, kindness, and all things good. Why would he ever leave such an open hearted, amazing soul?

Getting a divorce is not the same as checking out on your kids. He did both. Kate being a very difficult personality is not a reason to abandon your children, which is what he did.

I have sympathy for Kate because in a lot of ways she's a single mother and that means she does everything and is judged against her mistakes, while the absent father does essentially nothing but is judged against some non-standard where "at least he didn't make the mistake the person who has the kids 24/7/365 made 2.5 years ago on Thursday."

I see this IRL too - guys who do essentially nothing get praised for seeing their kids on the holidays while moms get dragged for sending the kids to school with mismatched socks.

Kate doesn't have to be a sweetheart for Jon to be trash.

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Anonymous wrote:I know the basic story: how he left his overbearing wife with all those kids. But why does he get such a worse rap than Kate? She seems like a harpy that any sane man would fantasize stepping out on.

He had a ten-year gag order that expired a few months ago - so Kate was the one who was wholly controlling the narrative. Plus she was given free (and very strong) legal representation from TLC whereas Jon paid for his legal stuff all on his own.

I don't hate Jon at all. He has a real job in IT, a girlfriend of four years, and has legal custody of Hannah and Collin now. He rescued Collin after Kate dumped him in an inpatient facility for THREE YEARS and visited him like twice.

Kate is literally STILL trying to exploit her children- she illegally filmed them for that Kate Plus 8 special that aired a few months ago. https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jon-gosselin-furious-ex-kate-kids-film-kate-plus-8-against-judge-ruling

Get a job, Kate.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon checked out on his family and Kate did what she had to do to survive.

Yep, and the video evidence shows no reason why he should have checked out, especially since Kate is the perfect example of calm, composure, kindness, and all things good. Why would he ever leave such an open hearted, amazing soul?

Anonymous wrote:Apparently in 2009, the Kreiders allegedly corroborated the report that Kate Gosselin offered her husband an open marriage instead of a divorce so that they could keep up appearances on the TLC reality series...

https://www.bustle.com/articles/60867-whatever-happened-to-aunt-jodi-from-jon-kate-plus-8-shes-been-out-of-the

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Anonymous wrote:That was mean but she didn't end up throwing the bear away. She was just pissed off because someone gave her six toddlers gum and the gum was all over their clothes and stuff when she was supposed to be packing. Most people loe it in that situation.

She came across as taunting to me telling Collin to say goodbye to his bear and saying "too bad" in response to his tearful plea. I get being upset about the gum but she seemed far nicer to Aunt Jody (who is old enough to know that 3 year olds will most likely make a mess with gum) than she was to the sobbing 3 year old who really wasn't at fault.

It was a passive aggressive jab at Aunt Jody. Aunt Jody unintentionally ticked Kate off and Kate made sure that a video of her displeasure made it into the show for all to see.

The Aunt Jody stuff is what makes me positive Kate suffers from mental illness. They were their main line of family support and totally cut them off. Just went straight to no contact a few year before the divorce. Ooooo the stories Aunt Jody has! I wonder if Aunt Jody and Jon have gotten together to shoot the breeze and compare notes since the family has split.

Was Aunt Jody Kate's sister or Jon's sister?

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Anonymous wrote:That was mean but she didn't end up throwing the bear away. She was just pissed off because someone gave her six toddlers gum and the gum was all over their clothes and stuff when she was supposed to be packing. Most people loe it in that situation.

She came across as taunting to me telling Collin to say goodbye to his bear and saying "too bad" in response to his tearful plea. I get being upset about the gum but she seemed far nicer to Aunt Jody (who is old enough to know that 3 year olds will most likely make a mess with gum) than she was to the sobbing 3 year old who really wasn't at fault.

It was a passive aggressive jab at Aunt Jody. Aunt Jody unintentionally ticked Kate off and Kate made sure that a video of her displeasure made it into the show for all to see.

The Aunt Jody stuff is what makes me positive Kate suffers from mental illness. They were their main line of family support and totally cut them off. Just went straight to no contact a few year before the divorce. Ooooo the stories Aunt Jody has! I wonder if Aunt Jody and Jon have gotten together to shoot the breeze and compare notes since the family has split.

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Anonymous wrote:That was mean but she didn't end up throwing the bear away. She was just pissed off because someone gave her six toddlers gum and the gum was all over their clothes and stuff when she was supposed to be packing. Most people loe it in that situation.

She came across as taunting to me telling Collin to say goodbye to his bear and saying "too bad" in response to his tearful plea. I get being upset about the gum but she seemed far nicer to Aunt Jody (who is old enough to know that 3 year olds will most likely make a mess with gum) than she was to the sobbing 3 year old who really wasn't at fault.

It was a passive aggressive jab at Aunt Jody. Aunt Jody unintentionally ticked Kate off and Kate made sure that a video of her displeasure made it into the show for all to see.

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Anonymous wrote:That was mean but she didn't end up throwing the bear away. She was just pissed off because someone gave her six toddlers gum and the gum was all over their clothes and stuff when she was supposed to be packing. Most people loe it in that situation.

She came across as taunting to me telling Collin to say goodbye to his bear and saying "too bad" in response to his tearful plea. I get being upset about the gum but she seemed far nicer to Aunt Jody (who is old enough to know that 3 year olds will most likely make a mess with gum) than she was to the sobbing 3 year old who really wasn't at fault.

Anonymous wrote:I don't want to think what records the world would have of me if I had 8 kids in 4 years before I was 30 years old. It would have been a total shit show. Complete and utter ciaos. At that age DH and I made no money and had little patience. We went on to have three kids but they were spaced out and the last one came just a touch before 40 so we had matured up quite a bit. Throwing yourselves into the lion den of parenting and broadcasting it to the world isn't how I would have functioned. Also who has twins and then does MORE fertility? I get it when you only have a singleton and want a sibling but if you have two kids don't you think you should be happy with that???