Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:59
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Slander
Libel
Witness tampering
Bribery
Election tampering
Tax fraud
Racketeering
Shall I go on?
First two are unlikely, but they can sue him. Unpresidential but not a high crime.
Third, unmm no. That's not how that works. Again obviously unpresidential.
Fourth is a real stretch, but it's an interesting case. If not bribery, certainly is some version of abuse of power. Personally I don't find it enough to be impeached over.
Fifth is just dumb.
Sixth is likely given his business history. I'd think THAT is impeachable if recent and bad enough.
Seventh also dumb.
My four year old at bath time: "No, that's dumb."
You at impeachment time: "No, that's dumb."
Racketeering is dumb, come on. "Bribery", in this context, is not dumb but not impeachable on these facts.
You speak with such authority. lol Seriously if you think this isn't impeachable, then you also must conclude that the Constitution is a highly flawed, poorly written document.
Not at all. the most brilliant political document in the history of mankind.
To remove a sitting president is to take democracy away from the voters. It's a very big deal. And something truly shocking, a real high crime, would have no trouble getting 2/3 of Senators to agree.
Is the Electoral College also taking "democracy away from the voters"? The president is elected via the Electoral College (see the Constitution). The president can be removed through impeachement (see the Constitution). As in the Constitution, the person who wins the popular vote doesn't necessarily get to be president. As in the Constitution, the president doesn't necessarily get to stay the president if impeached and removed from office.
Impeachment is part of the Constitution. It's not a coup. Duh. But b it's VA high high bar and was designed that way. we have had some really horrible presidents the last 200 years and the Senate has not removed one from office. Why is that? the founders wanted a stable democracy. A stable system. With short terms of four years the voters will keep the truly bad seeds from occupying office too long.
Psst: we have a truly bad seed and its spawn in the white house right now.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:56
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Slander
Libel
Witness tampering
Bribery
Election tampering
Tax fraud
Racketeering
Shall I go on?
First two are unlikely, but they can sue him. Unpresidential but not a high crime.
Third, unmm no. That's not how that works. Again obviously unpresidential.
Fourth is a real stretch, but it's an interesting case. If not bribery, certainly is some version of abuse of power. Personally I don't find it enough to be impeached over.
Fifth is just dumb.
Sixth is likely given his business history. I'd think THAT is impeachable if recent and bad enough.
Seventh also dumb.
My four year old at bath time: "No, that's dumb."
You at impeachment time: "No, that's dumb."
Racketeering is dumb, come on. "Bribery", in this context, is not dumb but not impeachable on these facts.
You speak with such authority. lol Seriously if you think this isn't impeachable, then you also must conclude that the Constitution is a highly flawed, poorly written document.
Not at all. the most brilliant political document in the history of mankind.
To remove a sitting president is to take democracy away from the voters. It's a very big deal. And something truly shocking, a real high crime, would have no trouble getting 2/3 of Senators to agree.
Is the Electoral College also taking "democracy away from the voters"? The president is elected via the Electoral College (see the Constitution). The president can be removed through impeachement (see the Constitution). As in the Constitution, the person who wins the popular vote doesn't necessarily get to be president. As in the Constitution, the president doesn't necessarily get to stay the president if impeached and removed from office.
Impeachment is part of the Constitution. It's not a coup. Duh. But b it's VA high high bar and was designed that way. we have had some really horrible presidents the last 200 years and the Senate has not removed one from office. Why is that? the founders wanted a stable democracy. A stable system. With short terms of four years the voters will keep the truly bad seeds from occupying office too long.
I'm not an originalist. I DNGAF what some white guy wearing a wig *wanted*. FWIW, I want a stable democracy too and that is one of the many reasons I want Trump out.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:51
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. It would be easy if 2/3 of the senate weren’t compromised.
That's just stupid. They aren't compromised. They likely disagree that this nonsense is so severe as to be a HIGH CRIME, but I have no doubt that they will take their constitutional duty very seriously.
Your statement is effing ridiculous.
Lol. I know you people are hyper partisans. I get that. But if the shoe was on the other foot, I would hope and I would know that senators of both parties would take this job seriously and examine the evidence. eventually in 1974 the evidence became so severe that Republicans turned against Nixon. Obviously that could happen again as none of these Senators even like Trump.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:50
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Slander
Libel
Witness tampering
Bribery
Election tampering
Tax fraud
Racketeering
Shall I go on?
First two are unlikely, but they can sue him. Unpresidential but not a high crime.
Third, unmm no. That's not how that works. Again obviously unpresidential.
Fourth is a real stretch, but it's an interesting case. If not bribery, certainly is some version of abuse of power. Personally I don't find it enough to be impeached over.
Fifth is just dumb.
Sixth is likely given his business history. I'd think THAT is impeachable if recent and bad enough.
Seventh also dumb.
My four year old at bath time: "No, that's dumb."
You at impeachment time: "No, that's dumb."
Racketeering is dumb, come on. "Bribery", in this context, is not dumb but not impeachable on these facts.
You speak with such authority. lol Seriously if you think this isn't impeachable, then you also must conclude that the Constitution is a highly flawed, poorly written document.
Not at all. the most brilliant political document in the history of mankind.
To remove a sitting president is to take democracy away from the voters. It's a very big deal. And something truly shocking, a real high crime, would have no trouble getting 2/3 of Senators to agree.
Is the Electoral College also taking "democracy away from the voters"? The president is elected via the Electoral College (see the Constitution). The president can be removed through impeachement (see the Constitution). As in the Constitution, the person who wins the popular vote doesn't necessarily get to be president. As in the Constitution, the president doesn't necessarily get to stay the president if impeached and removed from office.
Impeachment is part of the Constitution. It's not a coup. Duh. But b it's VA high high bar and was designed that way. we have had some really horrible presidents the last 200 years and the Senate has not removed one from office. Why is that? the founders wanted a stable democracy. A stable system. With short terms of four years the voters will keep the truly bad seeds from occupying office too long.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:49
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. It would be easy if 2/3 of the senate weren’t compromised.
That's just stupid. They aren't compromised. They likely disagree that this nonsense is so severe as to be a HIGH CRIME, but I have no doubt that they will take their constitutional duty very seriously.
Your statement is effing ridiculous.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:49
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Slander
Libel
Witness tampering
Bribery
Election tampering
Tax fraud
Racketeering
Shall I go on?
First two are unlikely, but they can sue him. Unpresidential but not a high crime.
Third, unmm no. That's not how that works. Again obviously unpresidential.
Fourth is a real stretch, but it's an interesting case. If not bribery, certainly is some version of abuse of power. Personally I don't find it enough to be impeached over.
Fifth is just dumb.
Sixth is likely given his business history. I'd think THAT is impeachable if recent and bad enough.
Seventh also dumb.
My four year old at bath time: "No, that's dumb."
You at impeachment time: "No, that's dumb."
Racketeering is dumb, come on. "Bribery", in this context, is not dumb but not impeachable on these facts.
You speak with such authority. lol Seriously if you think this isn't impeachable, then you also must conclude that the Constitution is a highly flawed, poorly written document.
Not at all. the most brilliant political document in the history of mankind.
To remove a sitting president is to take democracy away from the voters. It's a very big deal. And something truly shocking, a real high crime, would have no trouble getting 2/3 of Senators to agree.
Trump supporters: All politicians are corrupt so I'm just going to vote for Trump. Drain the Swamp!
Also Trump supporters: All of the Senate Republicans still support Trump so he must not be that bad.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:48
Subject: Re:Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
My goodness. That's a conspiracy theory that Trump would enjoy. Birds of a feather ..
Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:47
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Slander
Libel
Witness tampering
Bribery
Election tampering
Tax fraud
Racketeering
Shall I go on?
First two are unlikely, but they can sue him. Unpresidential but not a high crime.
Third, unmm no. That's not how that works. Again obviously unpresidential.
Fourth is a real stretch, but it's an interesting case. If not bribery, certainly is some version of abuse of power. Personally I don't find it enough to be impeached over.
Fifth is just dumb.
Sixth is likely given his business history. I'd think THAT is impeachable if recent and bad enough.
Seventh also dumb.
My four year old at bath time: "No, that's dumb."
You at impeachment time: "No, that's dumb."
Racketeering is dumb, come on. "Bribery", in this context, is not dumb but not impeachable on these facts.
You speak with such authority. lol Seriously if you think this isn't impeachable, then you also must conclude that the Constitution is a highly flawed, poorly written document.
Not at all. the most brilliant political document in the history of mankind.
To remove a sitting president is to take democracy away from the voters. It's a very big deal. And something truly shocking, a real high crime, would have no trouble getting 2/3 of Senators to agree.
Is the Electoral College also taking "democracy away from the voters"? The president is elected via the Electoral College (see the Constitution). The president can be removed through impeachement (see the Constitution). As in the Constitution, the person who wins the popular vote doesn't necessarily get to be president. As in the Constitution, the president doesn't necessarily get to stay the president if impeached and removed from office.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:39
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:If this is not impeachable then let us all enter our new era with eyes wide open. It will now not only be acceptable but basically required that our future presidents make our foreign policy contingent on digging up dirt against their putative political rivals.
There's no way around this. Trump got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. At this point we're left with two options. Either everyone gets cookies or nobody does.
This. Exactly this. Plus the extent that foreign election interference has now been normalized.
This would be a huge blow to democracy. Meaningful foreign policy would be second to the personal gain of the president. That means that the president serves himself first, and the U.S. second. That is what is on the line.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:39
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. It would be easy if 2/3 of the senate weren’t compromised.
So you are saying that some of the Dem senators are compromised as well?
Everyone but Karl Marx is compromised.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 21:35
Subject: Re:Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For some reason the host didn't like my political posts. Thinking the Russians have bought the US Senate through the NRA is a mainstream view?
I think it’s an established fact at this point.
Correct.
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals
You may want to adjust your news sources if you haven’t heard anything about this, instead of accusing people who are better informed than you of mental illness. The Senate’s report on this is here: https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6432520-The-NRA-Russia-How-a-Tax-Exempt-Organization
Anonymous
11/17/2019 20:50
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
The other thing Trump did was open himself up for extortion. Had this not come to light via the whistleblower, any number of bad actors who knew what Trump was up to could have held this information over his head and threatened to spill the beans is he didn’t do what the asked. In other words, kompromat.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 20:30
Subject: Re:Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:For some reason the host didn't like my political posts. Thinking the Russians have bought the US Senate through the NRA is a mainstream view?
I think it’s an established fact at this point.
Anonymous
11/17/2019 20:20
Subject: Re:Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
For some reason the host didn't like my political posts. Thinking the Russians have bought the US Senate through the NRA is a mainstream view?
Anonymous
11/17/2019 20:07
Subject: Sorry, but this bad behavior is not a High Crime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. It would be easy if 2/3 of the senate weren’t compromised.
That's just stupid. They aren't compromised. They likely disagree that this nonsense is so severe as to be a HIGH CRIME, but I have no doubt that they will take their constitutional duty very seriously.
This isn't nonsense. And when you say it is, we know you are not a citizen.
Lol. Of course I'm a us citizen. And senators are as well. They are politicians, but they are mostly good people who love their country. Maybe not that horrible woman from Hawaii, but the rest seemingly do.