jsteele
Post 08/29/2019 17:01     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.


Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.

Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?


Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.


There is a poster above explicitly saying that she should be held to a higher standard. Sure you understand the difference between consensual relationships and unwanted harassment so I don't see any similarity to Frankin (unless Omar's advances to her hired consultant were unwanted). If you are already demanding her resignation, what is the purpose of investigating her? You've already found her guilty.


Read the New Yorker piece - and you are the one who invoked me too, actually. You seem to have a different view of cheating than many, particularly women, have. It doesn’t make other people who have different views on the subject wrong. I think any public official new to office or old to office, particularly when they campaign with their adorable young children - should be held accountable for their private behavior if it shows a moral failing or reckless judgment. I feel this way if they are men or women and liberal or right-wing hacks.


Since you claim to hold everyone to the same standards, can you show me the post in which you called for Joni Ernst to resign?

Funny how you claim to hold people to the same standards while also explicitly proposing a special standard for Omar. Also, do you really believe that "moral failing" and "reckless judgement" are reasons to resign? Do you realize how few members of Congress would be left if we applied that standard?

Clearly you are not applying a single standard.

Edit: I also want to add, I don't even know what to say about a poster who defends Al Franken and asks for Omar to resign in the same post. Clearly you are motivated by something, but it certainly is not a desire to combat reckless judgement.




It is hard to know other than your own manifest bias, why you seek to seek to excuse her behavior. Joni Ernst should have resigned a long time ago for being complicit in the Trump regime. I can’t stand her. Beyond that, if she slept with someone on her payroll, she should definitely resign.


Her election was important and symbolic - even if I didn’t always agree with her rhetoric. People have a right to feel let down by her behavior. Her family also
has this right. Al Franken didn’t cheat on his wife with a staffer and as is made clear by the New Yorker piece you didn’t read, probably didn’t do anything than interact oddly with women. Bill Clinton let us down. Jon Edwards let us down. And Ilhan Omar May have also let us down. Same standard.


What behavior am I excusing? I don't even know what behavior she is guilty of. All I am saying is that she should not be held to a higher standard than anyone else in her position. You want her to resign when she hasn't even been charged with anything. Do you have any idea how many members of the House and Senate have slept with staff members or have had other affairs? Do you seriously expect them all to resign?

The New Yorker article was far from exculpatory. Moreover, its author, Emily Yoffe, has a habit of defending men accused of sexual harassment. Recent emails from her during her research for another article showed a clear bias against women who made sexual harassment allegations. You should take a look at Felicia Sonmez' Twitter feed.

Franken was accused of harassment. That is in no way equivalent to marital infidelity. It is shocking that you would see any sort of equivalency or even comparison. You seem to believe that Franken was unfairly charged. Perhaps, but then why the rush to judgement of Omar? If you think that Franken deserved a more fair investigation, why not Omar? It makes no sense to immediately call for her resignation.

Anonymous
Post 08/29/2019 16:48     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

Anonymous wrote:My husband finds Omar very attractive which is so weird because she’s not his type. Apparently men have a thing for the squad.

Good for you, but Irrelevant to this thread.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2019 16:28     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.


Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.

Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?


Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.


There is a poster above explicitly saying that she should be held to a higher standard. Sure you understand the difference between consensual relationships and unwanted harassment so I don't see any similarity to Frankin (unless Omar's advances to her hired consultant were unwanted). If you are already demanding her resignation, what is the purpose of investigating her? You've already found her guilty.


Read the New Yorker piece - and you are the one who invoked me too, actually. You seem to have a different view of cheating than many, particularly women, have. It doesn’t make other people who have different views on the subject wrong. I think any public official new to office or old to office, particularly when they campaign with their adorable young children - should be held accountable for their private behavior if it shows a moral failing or reckless judgment. I feel this way if they are men or women and liberal or right-wing hacks.


Since you claim to hold everyone to the same standards, can you show me the post in which you called for Joni Ernst to resign?

Funny how you claim to hold people to the same standards while also explicitly proposing a special standard for Omar. Also, do you really believe that "moral failing" and "reckless judgement" are reasons to resign? Do you realize how few members of Congress would be left if we applied that standard?

Clearly you are not applying a single standard.

Edit: I also want to add, I don't even know what to say about a poster who defends Al Franken and asks for Omar to resign in the same post. Clearly you are motivated by something, but it certainly is not a desire to combat reckless judgement.




It is hard to know other than your own manifest bias, why you seek to seek to excuse her behavior. Joni Ernst should have resigned a long time ago for being complicit in the Trump regime. I can’t stand her. Beyond that, if she slept with someone on her payroll, she should definitely resign.


Her election was important and symbolic - even if I didn’t always agree with her rhetoric. People have a right to feel let down by her behavior. Her family also
has this right. Al Franken didn’t cheat on his wife with a staffer and as is made clear by the New Yorker piece you didn’t read, probably didn’t do anything than interact oddly with women. Bill Clinton let us down. Jon Edwards let us down. And Ilhan Omar May have also let us down. Same standard.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2019 16:25     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

Anonymous wrote:My husband finds Omar very attractive which is so weird because she’s not his type. Apparently men have a thing for the squad.


I'm a straight woman, but I think she's absolutely beautiful. She has a very pretty face.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2019 16:04     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

My husband finds Omar very attractive which is so weird because she’s not his type. Apparently men have a thing for the squad.
jsteele
Post 08/29/2019 15:48     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.


Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.

Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?


Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.


There is a poster above explicitly saying that she should be held to a higher standard. Sure you understand the difference between consensual relationships and unwanted harassment so I don't see any similarity to Frankin (unless Omar's advances to her hired consultant were unwanted). If you are already demanding her resignation, what is the purpose of investigating her? You've already found her guilty.


Read the New Yorker piece - and you are the one who invoked me too, actually. You seem to have a different view of cheating than many, particularly women, have. It doesn’t make other people who have different views on the subject wrong. I think any public official new to office or old to office, particularly when they campaign with their adorable young children - should be held accountable for their private behavior if it shows a moral failing or reckless judgment. I feel this way if they are men or women and liberal or right-wing hacks.


Since you claim to hold everyone to the same standards, can you show me the post in which you called for Joni Ernst to resign?

Funny how you claim to hold people to the same standards while also explicitly proposing a special standard for Omar. Also, do you really believe that "moral failing" and "reckless judgement" are reasons to resign? Do you realize how few members of Congress would be left if we applied that standard?

Clearly you are not applying a single standard.

Edit: I also want to add, I don't even know what to say about a poster who defends Al Franken and asks for Omar to resign in the same post. Clearly you are motivated by something, but it certainly is not a desire to combat reckless judgement.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2019 15:37     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.


Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.

Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?


Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.


There is a poster above explicitly saying that she should be held to a higher standard. Sure you understand the difference between consensual relationships and unwanted harassment so I don't see any similarity to Frankin (unless Omar's advances to her hired consultant were unwanted). If you are already demanding her resignation, what is the purpose of investigating her? You've already found her guilty.

Read the New Yorker piece - and you are the one who invoked me too, actually. You seem to have a different view of cheating than many, particularly women, have. It doesn’t make other people who have different views on the subject wrong. I think any public official new to office or old to office, particularly when they campaign with their adorable young children - should be held accountable for their private behavior if it shows a moral failing or reckless judgment. I feel this way if they are men or women and liberal or right-wing hacks.
jsteele
Post 08/29/2019 15:10     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.


Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.

Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?


Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.


There is a poster above explicitly saying that she should be held to a higher standard. Sure you understand the difference between consensual relationships and unwanted harassment so I don't see any similarity to Frankin (unless Omar's advances to her hired consultant were unwanted). If you are already demanding her resignation, what is the purpose of investigating her? You've already found her guilty.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2019 15:05     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.


Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.

Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?


Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2019 15:04     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.


Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.

Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?


I think it is reasonable to ask someone who overtly styles themselves as a member of a particular faith that she observes the tenets of that faith. And vice versa.

For instance, I wouldn't hold it against Pence if I saw him chugging down a plate of pork ribs. But Omar would definitely get some questions if she was observed doing the same.

Likewise, if she's seen eating during Ramadan, it's fair to ask wtf she is doing, and this wouldn't apply to other public servants who don't present as Muslims.

Islam places high value on sexual purity and accepts romantic relationships only within a marital context. So, if it's true that Omar is gettin' it on with another guy while married to someone else, she'd get more pushback from this than a regular person. Especially a non-Muslim another guy.


So your belief is that Omar shouldn't receive a pass for being a Muslim, but she should be held to a higher standard. That seems inconsistent to say the least. I think a person's religion is a private matter and unless you are her spiritual leader, you don't have anything to say about it. But, if you do want to adopt this as the standard to which all politicians are held, we will need to start a new thread in order to cover the huge number of individuals who will need to be condemned. I believe the entire Congress has single professed atheist. The number adulterers is considerably higher than that.


I think a person's religion is a private matter unless they've made it public. I think we can both agree that Omar made a conscious choice to present as Muslim and derived significant political benefits from that choice, so it's not unreasonable to ask her how her actions reconcile with her professed faith. Compare it to a member of Congress who, say, is a professed vegetarian and campaigns for better treatment of animals, and then is filmed eating a burger.

It is true that no major religion approves of extramarital sex. Omar, however, chose to carry her religion on her person, so to speak.
jsteele
Post 08/29/2019 14:49     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.


Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.

Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?


I think it is reasonable to ask someone who overtly styles themselves as a member of a particular faith that she observes the tenets of that faith. And vice versa.

For instance, I wouldn't hold it against Pence if I saw him chugging down a plate of pork ribs. But Omar would definitely get some questions if she was observed doing the same.

Likewise, if she's seen eating during Ramadan, it's fair to ask wtf she is doing, and this wouldn't apply to other public servants who don't present as Muslims.

Islam places high value on sexual purity and accepts romantic relationships only within a marital context. So, if it's true that Omar is gettin' it on with another guy while married to someone else, she'd get more pushback from this than a regular person. Especially a non-Muslim another guy.


So your belief is that Omar shouldn't receive a pass for being a Muslim, but she should be held to a higher standard. That seems inconsistent to say the least. I think a person's religion is a private matter and unless you are her spiritual leader, you don't have anything to say about it. But, if you do want to adopt this as the standard to which all politicians are held, we will need to start a new thread in order to cover the huge number of individuals who will need to be condemned. I believe the entire Congress has single professed atheist. The number adulterers is considerably higher than that.

Anonymous
Post 08/29/2019 14:39     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.


Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.

Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?


I think it is reasonable to ask someone who overtly styles themselves as a member of a particular faith that she observes the tenets of that faith. And vice versa.

For instance, I wouldn't hold it against Pence if I saw him chugging down a plate of pork ribs. But Omar would definitely get some questions if she was observed doing the same.

Likewise, if she's seen eating during Ramadan, it's fair to ask wtf she is doing, and this wouldn't apply to other public servants who don't present as Muslims.

Islam places high value on sexual purity and accepts romantic relationships only within a marital context. So, if it's true that Omar is gettin' it on with another guy while married to someone else, she'd get more pushback from this than a regular person. Especially a non-Muslim another guy.
jsteele
Post 08/29/2019 14:33     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.


Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.

Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2019 14:27     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2019 13:38     Subject: My husband dumped me for Ilhan Omar, DC mom says in divorce filing

Nearly one of every three dollars spent on Ilhan Omar's campaign has gone to her alleged lover's firm

The New York Post reported Tuesday on a high-profile divorce. To be specific, a woman has claimed in court papers that her husband has been cheating on her, carrying on with married Rep. Ilhan Omar.

Omar's alleged paramour, Tim Mynett, has been a fundraising consultant for Omar's 2018 and 2020 campaigns.

Omar hasn't commented on the accusations, but there's a possible second scandal involving the more than $200,000 that her campaign has spent with Mynett's firm.

Of the $145,406 reported earnings by the E Street Group during the 2018 campaign cycle, $62,674 came from Omar's campaign. Not counting payroll taxes and transfers to Minnesota's Democratic Party, E Street Group was Omar's second-largest vendor, according to FEC data. From Labor Day through the end of the year, E Street Group ate up more than 10% of her campaign's spending (not counting transfers to other campaigns).

Here's the odd thing: The overwhelming majority of Omar's funds spent on the E Street Group were paid after she won the contested primary and during the totally noncompetitive general election race in her D+26 district. Contrary to FEC rules, Omar's filings did not designate whether her E Street Group disbursements (or any of her disbursements) were for the primary election or the general election.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/nearly-one-of-every-three-dollars-spent-on-ilhan-omars-campaign-have-gone-to-her-alleged-lovers-firm