Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.
Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.
Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?
Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.
There is a poster above explicitly saying that she should be held to a higher standard. Sure you understand the difference between consensual relationships and unwanted harassment so I don't see any similarity to Frankin (unless Omar's advances to her hired consultant were unwanted). If you are already demanding her resignation, what is the purpose of investigating her? You've already found her guilty.
Read the New Yorker piece - and you are the one who invoked me too, actually. You seem to have a different view of cheating than many, particularly women, have. It doesn’t make other people who have different views on the subject wrong. I think any public official new to office or old to office, particularly when they campaign with their adorable young children - should be held accountable for their private behavior if it shows a moral failing or reckless judgment. I feel this way if they are men or women and liberal or right-wing hacks.
Since you claim to hold everyone to the same standards, can you show me the post in which you called for Joni Ernst to resign?
Funny how you claim to hold people to the same standards while also explicitly proposing a special standard for Omar. Also, do you really believe that "moral failing" and "reckless judgement" are reasons to resign? Do you realize how few members of Congress would be left if we applied that standard?
Clearly you are not applying a single standard.
Edit: I also want to add, I don't even know what to say about a poster who defends Al Franken and asks for Omar to resign in the same post. Clearly you are motivated by something, but it certainly is not a desire to combat reckless judgement.
It is hard to know other than your own manifest bias, why you seek to seek to excuse her behavior. Joni Ernst should have resigned a long time ago for being complicit in the Trump regime. I can’t stand her. Beyond that, if she slept with someone on her payroll, she should definitely resign.
Her election was important and symbolic - even if I didn’t always agree with her rhetoric. People have a right to feel let down by her behavior. Her family also
has this right. Al Franken didn’t cheat on his wife with a staffer and as is made clear by the New Yorker piece you didn’t read, probably didn’t do anything than interact oddly with women. Bill Clinton let us down. Jon Edwards let us down. And Ilhan Omar May have also let us down. Same standard.
Anonymous wrote:My husband finds Omar very attractive which is so weird because she’s not his type. Apparently men have a thing for the squad.
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.
Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.
Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?
Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.
There is a poster above explicitly saying that she should be held to a higher standard. Sure you understand the difference between consensual relationships and unwanted harassment so I don't see any similarity to Frankin (unless Omar's advances to her hired consultant were unwanted). If you are already demanding her resignation, what is the purpose of investigating her? You've already found her guilty.
Read the New Yorker piece - and you are the one who invoked me too, actually. You seem to have a different view of cheating than many, particularly women, have. It doesn’t make other people who have different views on the subject wrong. I think any public official new to office or old to office, particularly when they campaign with their adorable young children - should be held accountable for their private behavior if it shows a moral failing or reckless judgment. I feel this way if they are men or women and liberal or right-wing hacks.
Since you claim to hold everyone to the same standards, can you show me the post in which you called for Joni Ernst to resign?
Funny how you claim to hold people to the same standards while also explicitly proposing a special standard for Omar. Also, do you really believe that "moral failing" and "reckless judgement" are reasons to resign? Do you realize how few members of Congress would be left if we applied that standard?
Clearly you are not applying a single standard.
Edit: I also want to add, I don't even know what to say about a poster who defends Al Franken and asks for Omar to resign in the same post. Clearly you are motivated by something, but it certainly is not a desire to combat reckless judgement.
Anonymous wrote:My husband finds Omar very attractive which is so weird because she’s not his type. Apparently men have a thing for the squad.
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.
Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.
Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?
Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.
There is a poster above explicitly saying that she should be held to a higher standard. Sure you understand the difference between consensual relationships and unwanted harassment so I don't see any similarity to Frankin (unless Omar's advances to her hired consultant were unwanted). If you are already demanding her resignation, what is the purpose of investigating her? You've already found her guilty.
Read the New Yorker piece - and you are the one who invoked me too, actually. You seem to have a different view of cheating than many, particularly women, have. It doesn’t make other people who have different views on the subject wrong. I think any public official new to office or old to office, particularly when they campaign with their adorable young children - should be held accountable for their private behavior if it shows a moral failing or reckless judgment. I feel this way if they are men or women and liberal or right-wing hacks.
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.
Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.
Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?
Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.
There is a poster above explicitly saying that she should be held to a higher standard. Sure you understand the difference between consensual relationships and unwanted harassment so I don't see any similarity to Frankin (unless Omar's advances to her hired consultant were unwanted). If you are already demanding her resignation, what is the purpose of investigating her? You've already found her guilty.
Read the New Yorker piece - and you are the one who invoked me too, actually. You seem to have a different view of cheating than many, particularly women, have. It doesn’t make other people who have different views on the subject wrong. I think any public official new to office or old to office, particularly when they campaign with their adorable young children - should be held accountable for their private behavior if it shows a moral failing or reckless judgment. I feel this way if they are men or women and liberal or right-wing hacks.
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.
Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.
Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?
Duncan Hunter should have resigned prior to being indicted. He abused the public trust.
I and many people personally called for it. I also don’t think anyone is asking her to be held to a higher standard - we are saying, many of as liberals, she doesn’t get a pass. Sloppy books and affairs with a staffer are not a good look, reflect poor and reckless judgment, and could indeed be an abuse of power. If Al Franken is essentially harpooned for being socially awkward and overly familiar, then we have entered a new era of accountability. Pelosi should investigate her for ethics violations.
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.
Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.
Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.
Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.
Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?
I think it is reasonable to ask someone who overtly styles themselves as a member of a particular faith that she observes the tenets of that faith. And vice versa.
For instance, I wouldn't hold it against Pence if I saw him chugging down a plate of pork ribs. But Omar would definitely get some questions if she was observed doing the same.
Likewise, if she's seen eating during Ramadan, it's fair to ask wtf she is doing, and this wouldn't apply to other public servants who don't present as Muslims.
Islam places high value on sexual purity and accepts romantic relationships only within a marital context. So, if it's true that Omar is gettin' it on with another guy while married to someone else, she'd get more pushback from this than a regular person. Especially a non-Muslim another guy.
So your belief is that Omar shouldn't receive a pass for being a Muslim, but she should be held to a higher standard. That seems inconsistent to say the least. I think a person's religion is a private matter and unless you are her spiritual leader, you don't have anything to say about it. But, if you do want to adopt this as the standard to which all politicians are held, we will need to start a new thread in order to cover the huge number of individuals who will need to be condemned. I believe the entire Congress has single professed atheist. The number adulterers is considerably higher than that.
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.
Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.
Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?
I think it is reasonable to ask someone who overtly styles themselves as a member of a particular faith that she observes the tenets of that faith. And vice versa.
For instance, I wouldn't hold it against Pence if I saw him chugging down a plate of pork ribs. But Omar would definitely get some questions if she was observed doing the same.
Likewise, if she's seen eating during Ramadan, it's fair to ask wtf she is doing, and this wouldn't apply to other public servants who don't present as Muslims.
Islam places high value on sexual purity and accepts romantic relationships only within a marital context. So, if it's true that Omar is gettin' it on with another guy while married to someone else, she'd get more pushback from this than a regular person. Especially a non-Muslim another guy.
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.
Duncun Hunter is being asked to resign because he is under indictment. Omar has not been charged with any crimes. Many posters here are very eager to convict when it is not even clear a crime has been committed.
Sure, don't give her any passes. But, don't makes demands on her that you don't make on others. As has been pointed out in this thread, Joni Ernst was also accused in divorce documents of having an affair. Should she resign as well?
Anonymous wrote:Jon Edward’s similar behavior was disqualifying and she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a woman, a woman of color, a Muslim, etc. if true, it’s so incredibly stupid and narcissistic, so early in her career, and for her children. If we (validly) call for Duncan Hunter exit, so should she. The right has certainly been gunning for her - but she could have avoided this trap.