Anonymous
Post 10/17/2019 16:47     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
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I’m sorry but the Ivy League is largely just a brand today. Leftism, critical race theory, anodother PC nonsense dominate the Ivy League. Kids used to be required to have a reading knowledge of Greek, Latin, AND a modern language JUST TO GET INTO AN IVY. Standards today are a joke.


Yes, it IS a brand, one known for excellence all over the world. If the standards were a "joke" as you say, would most of the schools still have an admit rate of single digits?


"What does one get from attending an Ivy other than professional benefits?


Now THAT is funny.

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It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference.


Aaaaannnndddd... it was only a matter of time before this idiot showed up.


you mean the one with the upenn diploma?
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2019 16:45     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
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Anonymous wrote:I found this humorous but was chatting with another parent and after I revealed my daughter is going to Cornell she said "that's wonderful, my son is going to an ivy too!". I said "that's great, which one?" and she said "UNC, chapel Hill". I said "I'm sorry that's not ivy league"and she retorted "yes it is, it's a public ivy".

I'm sorry but isn't there only one ivy league? My child worked incredibly hard to get into an ivy I frankly think it's rude to misrepresent and say that UNC is ivy league - even though it is a great school.


I find it humorous that your offended. It’s actually making me laugh. I’m sure your child worked so very very hard!


OP, I'd be offended too. Clearly she doesn't realize what a fool she is making of herself. My relatives all attend/attended Purdue. They all tell me that Purdue is equivalent or better than ivy league schools. I just nod. My DC attends an ivy league school.


Great for you, you won the lottery, now you have a license to look down on ppl that go to other schools as good as any ivy. Snob much?
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2019 16:03     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's a thing. "Public Ivy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy

Right, but this is just an arbitrary group devised by a magazine writer

The ivy league is an actual association of schools that originally began as a sports league, but over time has become associated with academic prestige


from ivy sports league they added academic prestige, so I don't see why public colleges with academic prestige in top 10 cannot say "we are public ivy"

ivy doesn't mean anything other than >65k tuition, only snobs like OP would have such reaction 'how dare you compare with me when my DC goes to ivy'


A school is in the Ivy League. Using the moniker "Public Ivy" ascribes an association that isn't warranted. Stanford, MIT, Williams, Cal Tech and about 100 other school are fantastic and top notch. They aren't in the Ivy League athletic conference. So what?
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2019 15:56     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's a thing. "Public Ivy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy

Right, but this is just an arbitrary group devised by a magazine writer

The ivy league is an actual association of schools that originally began as a sports league, but over time has become associated with academic prestige


from ivy sports league they added academic prestige, so I don't see why public colleges with academic prestige in top 10 cannot say "we are public ivy"

ivy doesn't mean anything other than >65k tuition, only snobs like OP would have such reaction 'how dare you compare with me when my DC goes to ivy'
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 12:42     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:I found this humorous but was chatting with another parent and after I revealed my daughter is going to Cornell she said "that's wonderful, my son is going to an ivy too!". I said "that's great, which one?" and she said "UNC, chapel Hill". I said "I'm sorry that's not ivy league"and she retorted "yes it is, it's a public ivy".

I'm sorry but isn't there only one ivy league? My child worked incredibly hard to get into an ivy I frankly think it's rude to misrepresent and say that UNC is ivy league - even though it is a great school.


First world issues.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2019 11:50     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
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Anonymous wrote:It is a “thing” but one PP does not understand. Can’t fix stupid.


No, it's not a thing. Just own wherever you went.


+1

Lots of great schools. Don’t force a label; it demonstrates insecurity.


Indeed!
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2019 11:46     Subject: Re:Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Snuffing out someone else’s light does not make yours shine brighter - just saying....parents have a right to be proud of whatever school their kid attends. It’s odd how some take issue with that.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2019 11:26     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
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Anonymous wrote:It is a “thing” but one PP does not understand. Can’t fix stupid.


No, it's not a thing. Just own wherever you went.


+1

Lots of great schools. Don’t force a label; it demonstrates insecurity.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2019 09:40     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:It is a “thing” but one PP does not understand. Can’t fix stupid.[/quote

No, it's not a thing. Just own wherever you went.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2019 22:13     Subject: Re:Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
It’s amusing when parents get angry/accusative when their kids “elite” acceptance doesn’t fuel the sort of jealousy and awe they always dreamed of.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2019 19:59     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
It is a “thing” but one PP does not understand. Can’t fix stupid.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2019 17:35     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
No, public ivy isn't a thing. It's just an excuse to hide the fact that your child couldn't get into a top college.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2019 15:43     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Insufferable — both of you.

Thanks! That common is incredibly helpful, and this thread and every participant is better for having read it. Godspeed!
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2019 14:56     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Insufferable — both of you.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2019 14:33     Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
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Anonymous wrote:It's possible to acknowledge that from an ROI perspective, there are many great schools on par with ivies that cost a lot less. This is especially true for undergraduate education, which is the whole ball of wax.

But it's always amusing to read the responses from people shelling out the price of a house for their snowflake's education and then sniff that say, "sure, they're perfectly fine but Hahvahd is bettah." At the margins, maybe it is, but a decade down the road, it's very possible the Public Ivy grad is out-earning the snowflake and, as a bonus, probably living a more full life.



1. Yes it's possible that the PI grad is earning more but which have more opportunities/easier time respectively? Also PI grads in engineering etc are always going to out earn those in other careers. I know coders that earn more than any supreme court justice. "Full Life", well I don't know how you measure that. I have an "off the grid" family member who feels his life is full.

2. Many people feel ROI is a stupid way to value education. A CC accounting degree has the best ROI, so just get that, right?

3. Your use of the term "snowflake" shows that you are an ass and no one should take any of your points seriously.


Correct on all points but especially the bolded.


ROI is not a stupid way to value education when you are comparing, for example, two colleges in the top 25. No one is using ROI to compare Harvard to a community college. That would be stupid. ROI would be a valid consideration for UVA or UCLA in state versus Harvard or Yale.


OK so it's stupid when you think it is and not stupid when you don't think it is. Got it. Makes sense.


That's how life works. Many things make sense in some contexts and not in others A component of RIO is cost. If your kid got a full ride to Duke and also got into Harvard with no financial assistance, wouldn't you at least consider the difference in cost, even if you ultimately decide to go with Harvard? I an not one to use the phrase public Ivy because my kid either gets into an Ivy or not. However, I do think that ROI is a valid measure when comparing colleges within a certain range of each other when costs (including housing) can be $320,000 for four years of unndergrad. Of course there are other factors/intangibles that go into the decision making process like prestige and geographical mobility, to name a couple.


What your talking about now is cost and value, not ROI. They are not the same thing. Do you understand that? No on says don't consider cost.


ROI is calculated based on what you put in (cost) versus what you get out (income). If you thought your kid would make exponentially more by going to Harvard, then you may pass on the Duke scholarship. If you thought they'd make about the same, you might take the Duke scholarship because the full Harvard tuition wouldn't result in a meaningful difference in salary. You can call it cost and value, but that's basically a ROI analysis. But, that's clearly lost on you, so we'll call it "cost and value."