Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 20:25     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.


Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.


actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0



Yes if homebirths/midwife births are on the rise one would expect deaths would increase when compared to years before when it wasn't done.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 20:24     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.


Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.


actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0



Dr. Grunebaum is anti midwife. He has an agenda. He is not pro safe birth for women and children He is pro lining the pockets of OB's giving midwives a prominent role they way they do in the rest of the world ( with better outcomes) would mean less money for him.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 20:22     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.


Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.


actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0




NP here. The important piece of the findings was in the last two paragraphs. Learn to examine things beyond the headlines.

Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 20:18     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.


Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.


actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 20:07     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.


Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 20:01     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Plenty of birthing mothers have been severely traumatized in hospitals. Some of them aren’t going back.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 19:56     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:Adult parents should have a right to pick where to give birth.

Why not?

Adult parents who are notified of the extreme risks of attempting a VBAC with a breech baby should have the right to pick where to give birth, and accept the responsibility when that pick goes horribly wrong. Non-licensed doulas holding themselves out to be “midwives“ should have the responsibility to tell their clients what those risks are and decline to help them if the situation is behind their “expertise.”

Why not?
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 19:55     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 19:43     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Adult parents should have a right to pick where to give birth.

Why not?
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 19:41     Subject: Re:Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have had 2 hospital births and 1 homebirth. The nicest birth was by far the homebirth. My midwife was a NP-midwife with EMT training who had been at over 1,000 births.

I managed to have vaginal births for all of them. I hired a doula for the second and third.

I think you can be educated and make good decisions and have both homebirth and hospital births lead to good experiences. That is my approach to health and medicine in general. I never understand why people have to malign one or the other. Quality, professionalism, education and experience count no matter where you end up.


glad it was “nice.” would not have been so nice if there were an emergency. “niceness” is an idiotic metric for birth.

ps the people who claim homebirth is a solution for racial disparities are beyond stupid. black women deserve access to better medical care, not less care. homebirth is MUCH riskier.

Show your stats, Doc. Please include some from Europe. Thanks!


are we in Europe? No, we are not. How about you address at a higher level why you think black women should forgo pain relief and access to life saving medical care for themselves and their kids. I’m aware there are crunchy black moms out there, but it is beyond gross for white homebirth advocates to use black women’e health disparities as a talking point.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 19:38     Subject: Re:Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have had 2 hospital births and 1 homebirth. The nicest birth was by far the homebirth. My midwife was a NP-midwife with EMT training who had been at over 1,000 births.

I managed to have vaginal births for all of them. I hired a doula for the second and third.

I think you can be educated and make good decisions and have both homebirth and hospital births lead to good experiences. That is my approach to health and medicine in general. I never understand why people have to malign one or the other. Quality, professionalism, education and experience count no matter where you end up.


glad it was “nice.” would not have been so nice if there were an emergency. “niceness” is an idiotic metric for birth.

ps the people who claim homebirth is a solution for racial disparities are beyond stupid. black women deserve access to better medical care, not less care. homebirth is MUCH riskier.

Show your stats, Doc. Please include some from Europe. Thanks!
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 19:36     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Every death should be reported in the news.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 19:34     Subject: Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Why aren’t hospitalized OB’s held accountable for every baby’s and mother’s death?

They should be.


They are. They get sued, they are regulated by the medical board and their state?

SOME get sued. And most get protected, but shouldn’t. The system is corrupt. It’s not just women of color who get neglected in the hospitals.


They can be liable for malpractice, exactly the same as a midwife.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 19:33     Subject: Re:Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
Anonymous wrote:I have had 2 hospital births and 1 homebirth. The nicest birth was by far the homebirth. My midwife was a NP-midwife with EMT training who had been at over 1,000 births.

I managed to have vaginal births for all of them. I hired a doula for the second and third.

I think you can be educated and make good decisions and have both homebirth and hospital births lead to good experiences. That is my approach to health and medicine in general. I never understand why people have to malign one or the other. Quality, professionalism, education and experience count no matter where you end up.


glad it was “nice.” would not have been so nice if there were an emergency. “niceness” is an idiotic metric for birth.

ps the people who claim homebirth is a solution for racial disparities are beyond stupid. black women deserve access to better medical care, not less care. homebirth is MUCH riskier.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2020 19:23     Subject: Re:Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby
I have had 2 hospital births and 1 homebirth. The nicest birth was by far the homebirth. My midwife was a NP-midwife with EMT training who had been at over 1,000 births.

I managed to have vaginal births for all of them. I hired a doula for the second and third.

I think you can be educated and make good decisions and have both homebirth and hospital births lead to good experiences. That is my approach to health and medicine in general. I never understand why people have to malign one or the other. Quality, professionalism, education and experience count no matter where you end up.