Anonymous
06/19/2019 15:25
Subject: Re:"I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Most cars perfectly obstruct the view in that place between the front windshield and the side window. That big metal bar that runs from the front of the car towards the roof blocks a lot of view and creates sort of a blind spot. It is so scary to sometimes see a person emerging from behind it even if you make slowest of the turn as it just happen to overlap with the person's movements. It is horrible and the only way to avoid accident is to really stop and look around not only form the place you seat but to move head a little to look pass that bar.
Also it is not always possible to see a face of the drive and tell if they are texting or where they are looking because the glare and reflections on the window make it impossible. So the best practice is just to wait to see the speed and direction of the car and avoid the collision as pedestrian. It is so scary to realize that the car is riding right at you. I had it happened many times so the only way to protect yourself is you. It might be best intention of dirver to avoid collision but the cars are so big
and you can not see everything as a driver so just be careful as a pedestrian because even if you are right, it is a little consolation when bad things happen.
Also it is not always possible to see a face of the drive and tell if they are texting or where they are looking because the glare and reflections on the window make it impossible. So the best practice is just to wait to see the speed and direction of the car and avoid the collision as pedestrian. It is so scary to realize that the car is riding right at you. I had it happened many times so the only way to protect yourself is you. It might be best intention of dirver to avoid collision but the cars are so big
and you can not see everything as a driver so just be careful as a pedestrian because even if you are right, it is a little consolation when bad things happen.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 15:24
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Anonymous wrote:We have drivers laws. If you’re dead, the laws won’t matter anyway. If you’re a pedestrian, never trust that driver isn’t texting, etc. They have texting laws. People get plowed down all the time. You’re a pedestrian, be more vigilant than driver. It’s not hard
Situation: current driving laws, road designs, law enforcement, aren't keeping people safe.
Me: let's improve them so that people can be safe.
You: you're on your own, Jack, watch out or be killed.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 15:23
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Anonymous wrote:We have drivers laws. If you’re dead, the laws won’t matter anyway. If you’re a pedestrian, never trust that driver isn’t texting, etc. They have texting laws. People get plowed down all the time. You’re a pedestrian, be more vigilant than driver. It’s not hardAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the OP didn't get run over but you're debating who's at fault for her getting run over?
I'm confused
You need to work on your reading comprehension - what people are saying is that yes it is dangerous and here are ways in which you can make yourself safer since there is no way to control the behavior of others. What is so hard about that?
Of course there is. We're talking about what people do when driving a car, not earthquakes and hurricanes.
You have figured out a way to control how other drive a car?
Yes, of course. Let's start with driving laws, driver licensing laws, law enforcement, road engineering, and road construction.
If nothing, not laws, not changes to streets, not education can avoid deadly behavior by drivers, maybe we should ban cars.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 15:20
Subject: Re:"I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
The no turn on red saves lives.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 15:19
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
We have drivers laws. If you’re dead, the laws won’t matter anyway. If you’re a pedestrian, never trust that driver isn’t texting, etc. They have texting laws. People get plowed down all the time. You’re a pedestrian, be more vigilant than driver. It’s not hardAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the OP didn't get run over but you're debating who's at fault for her getting run over?
I'm confused
You need to work on your reading comprehension - what people are saying is that yes it is dangerous and here are ways in which you can make yourself safer since there is no way to control the behavior of others. What is so hard about that?
Of course there is. We're talking about what people do when driving a car, not earthquakes and hurricanes.
You have figured out a way to control how other drive a car?
Yes, of course. Let's start with driving laws, driver licensing laws, law enforcement, road engineering, and road construction.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 15:19
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. I couldn’t agree with you more. The people that want to claim right away, will be doing it from a casket. The pedestrian always should be more vigilant. Why are people arguing this point?Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that people are fallible and things are going to happen. It isn't just people on phones it is people who are tired, people who run on autopilot (pedestrians and drivers). You can have a driver who is unfamiliar with the area or looking for an address that might not see a pedestrian. You always have to be alert. You need to look over your left shoulder before crossing to make sure there isn't a car making a right to hit you. You need to slow down and look before crossing an alley even though you are on the sidewalk. You need to pay attention to the traffic the whole time you are crossing and never trust others with your safety. I've taught my children not to even trust me when crossing. I expect them to look before crossing too. I might miss something. Whenever possible don't outsource your safety. To the person who said "must I have my head on a permanent swivel?" YES, YES you should. You are in the city there are many things that can happen at any time. You can complain all you want about what other people do but the only behavior you can control is your own.
(It's right OF way, by the way.)
What people aren't saying: I have right-of-way, so I'm going to cross.
What people are saying: The burden is on drivers to not hit pedestrians.
What people are also saying: People shouldn't have to be 100% vigilant 100% of the time in order to be able to cross the street safely.
And what people are saying: People can do all of this all-vigilant-all-the-time behavior AND STILL GET HIT.
To prevent people from hitting people, focus on changing the behavior of the people doing the hitting, not the behavior of the people getting hit.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 15:16
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
this is type of pedestrian that will get run over at some point.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I walk to work every day and it is 30 minutes each way. I always scream at drivers if they try to hit me (I got hit in a crosswalk when I was in law school...yes I sued and yes I got money).
Whoever here is making excuses for drives is nuts. They know the rules of the road. I always get pictures and the drivers freak out.
You are a person that freaks out every.single.day... you are not qualified to give advice on how to live.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 15:11
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Absolutely. I couldn’t agree with you more. The people that want to claim right away, will be doing it from a casket. The pedestrian always should be more vigilant. Why are people arguing this point?Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that people are fallible and things are going to happen. It isn't just people on phones it is people who are tired, people who run on autopilot (pedestrians and drivers). You can have a driver who is unfamiliar with the area or looking for an address that might not see a pedestrian. You always have to be alert. You need to look over your left shoulder before crossing to make sure there isn't a car making a right to hit you. You need to slow down and look before crossing an alley even though you are on the sidewalk. You need to pay attention to the traffic the whole time you are crossing and never trust others with your safety. I've taught my children not to even trust me when crossing. I expect them to look before crossing too. I might miss something. Whenever possible don't outsource your safety. To the person who said "must I have my head on a permanent swivel?" YES, YES you should. You are in the city there are many things that can happen at any time. You can complain all you want about what other people do but the only behavior you can control is your own.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 14:59
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I walk to work every day and it is 30 minutes each way. I always scream at drivers if they try to hit me (I got hit in a crosswalk when I was in law school...yes I sued and yes I got money).
Whoever here is making excuses for drives is nuts. They know the rules of the road. I always get pictures and the drivers freak out.
You are a person that freaks out every.single.day... you are not qualified to give advice on how to live. [/quote
I can say what I want until you Trumpsters completely destroy the First Amendment.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 14:40
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the OP didn't get run over but you're debating who's at fault for her getting run over?
I'm confused
You need to work on your reading comprehension - what people are saying is that yes it is dangerous and here are ways in which you can make yourself safer since there is no way to control the behavior of others. What is so hard about that?
Of course there is. We're talking about what people do when driving a car, not earthquakes and hurricanes.
You have figured out a way to control how other drive a car?
Yes, of course. Let's start with driving laws, driver licensing laws, law enforcement, road engineering, and road construction.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 14:28
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Anonymous wrote:I walk to work every day and it is 30 minutes each way. I always scream at drivers if they try to hit me (I got hit in a crosswalk when I was in law school...yes I sued and yes I got money).
Whoever here is making excuses for drives is nuts. They know the rules of the road. I always get pictures and the drivers freak out.
You are a person that freaks out every.single.day... you are not qualified to give advice on how to live.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 14:26
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the OP didn't get run over but you're debating who's at fault for her getting run over?
I'm confused
You need to work on your reading comprehension - what people are saying is that yes it is dangerous and here are ways in which you can make yourself safer since there is no way to control the behavior of others. What is so hard about that?
Of course there is. We're talking about what people do when driving a car, not earthquakes and hurricanes.
You have figured out a way to control how other drive a car?
Anonymous
06/19/2019 14:24
Subject: Re:"I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pedestrian safety requires eye contact with the driver. Nobody in DC makes eye contact that is why pedestrians have so many problems.
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/motr/safe-crossings-the-power-of-eye-contact.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-key-to-crossing-the-street-safely-eye-contact-1427734205
AGAIN...how would eye contact have helped the OP who was deep within the crosswalk when a speeding driver ran the stop sign?
If you read the article you will see you don't step into the crosswalk until you make eye contact and you know they are stopping.
https://local.theonion.com/pedestrian-crossing-street-makes-sure-to-look-at-approa-1832430875
Anonymous
06/19/2019 14:21
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that people are fallible and things are going to happen. It isn't just people on phones it is people who are tired, people who run on autopilot (pedestrians and drivers). You can have a driver who is unfamiliar with the area or looking for an address that might not see a pedestrian. You always have to be alert. You need to look over your left shoulder before crossing to make sure there isn't a car making a right to hit you. You need to slow down and look before crossing an alley even though you are on the sidewalk. You need to pay attention to the traffic the whole time you are crossing and never trust others with your safety. I've taught my children not to even trust me when crossing. I expect them to look before crossing too. I might miss something. Whenever possible don't outsource your safety. To the person who said "must I have my head on a permanent swivel?" YES, YES you should. You are in the city there are many things that can happen at any time. You can complain all you want about what other people do but the only behavior you can control is your own.
The truth of the matter is that all of this is excuses for people who, when driving, have a duty of care that includes not hitting people.
Ye gads you are all children. Bickering about what is right and what is wrong and who is terrible and who isn't. Of course the driver was terrible but there will always be terrible drivers, there will be terrible pedestrians, there will be terribly cyclists. So you can stand in the street and shout into the wind all you want but none of that will make the terrible people go away. I mean with your logic we shouldn't even lock our doors because people shouldn't steal from and murder people.
NP What we need to do is redesign our streets to make collisions less likely despite peoples terribleness, and to make the consequences less when collisions do occur. That is the approach of Vision Zero - to take a systems approach, rather than focus on blame.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 14:21
Subject: "I didn't run you over, so you need to calm down!"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the OP didn't get run over but you're debating who's at fault for her getting run over?
I'm confused
You need to work on your reading comprehension - what people are saying is that yes it is dangerous and here are ways in which you can make yourself safer since there is no way to control the behavior of others. What is so hard about that?
Of course there is. We're talking about what people do when driving a car, not earthquakes and hurricanes.