Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else bothered by Jennifer Webster's quote by the post that attendance doesn't matter as long as the grade is good? Her example was if a child can go to class 40% of the time and earn a B.

As a parent, I wonder the value of the classroom instruction if a child can be absent 60% of the time and earn a B. Is the material challenging enough or is the problem children are skating through without merrit? Or both problems?

It's scary that Central Office staff doesn’t view the attendance numbers as a problem or something that needs addressing.

This. school needs to be challenging enough that you will be impacted if you miss too many days. Also, my kids go to a title 1 school and none of the students are working at the family restaurant. It is usually the father with the job at night but in these cases, the mother is at home. There isnt the pressure to go to school, esp. since the end goal is to just graduate. and if you can do that and skip school all the time, then why show up?
You should not be able to graduate if you don't meet attendance goals. showing up is a life skill and if you can't be bothered to do that, you fail. As a child of immigrant parents we would travel home during the summer. even though it was more expensive because my parents did not want us to miss.school. They worked crazy hours but took our education seriously. That seems to be lacking with many of today's families, rich, poor, immigrant, non immigrant.

Without these practices Schools like Einstein, Kennedy or Blair would be dropped out Mills

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Anonymous wrote:There should be sometime of modified high school diploma that a kid who does some work but does not meet all requirements can obtain. Kids with 47 unexcused absences who fail to make them up in summer school should not be receiving the same diploma as their peers that didn't skip all their classes. Teachers should not be pressured to pass kids along and should start giving Fs if the kid is actually failing.

Right now all the faux diplomas in MCPS are ONLY helping the administrators appear that they are serving lower performing kids by achieving high graduation numbers.

Agree DCPS has a similar issue. Graduation numbers are the latest scam statistic across the country

We are giving diplomas to people who can't even read the diploma in some cases

And again when students hit the real world and get fired for not showing up or being capable of doing basic tasks we only have ourselves to blame

Theses education gaps need to be addressed earlier ideally even before birth through better parenting classes for folks

Social promotion helps no one

It helps no one but it is not something really that serious.

Nowadays, a HS diploma means nothing. If someone only has a HS diploma, people know what to expect.

If they go to college, the colleges would bare responsibility of training them more. The HS is only an experience preparing them for the next stage of their lives. If they did not take that experience seriously, that is their own choice. Having a HS diploma or not, does not matter that much.

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Is anyone else bothered by Jennifer Webster's quote by the post that attendance doesn't matter as long as the grade is good? Her example was if a child can go to class 40% of the time and earn a B.

As a parent, I wonder the value of the classroom instruction if a child can be absent 60% of the time and earn a B. Is the material challenging enough or is the problem children are skating through without merrit? Or both problems?

It's scary that Central Office staff doesn’t view the attendance numbers as a problem or something that needs addressing.


I'm actually mixed on this. Colleges don't care if you show up as long as you can do the material

I'm more concerned with students that are being socially promoted and pushed through when they clearly don't even come close to mastery of the subject matter

In college it depends on the class. Most of the freshman classes with the third day being a lab or seminar/discussion group care of your skip. Smaller seminar classes will fail you and upper level science classes will fail you for non-attendance. The norm is usually 3 unexcused absences equal a 10% grade drop and then it drops off fast. For the classes that don't require attendance, the papers and exams are rigorous. The professor isn't getting pressured to give you a 69% because you spelled your name right and the school administrator wants to count you in their graduation numbers.

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else bothered by Jennifer Webster's quote by the post that attendance doesn't matter as long as the grade is good? Her example was if a child can go to class 40% of the time and earn a B.

As a parent, I wonder the value of the classroom instruction if a child can be absent 60% of the time and earn a B. Is the material challenging enough or is the problem children are skating through without merrit? Or both problems?

It's scary that Central Office staff doesn’t view the attendance numbers as a problem or something that needs addressing.

I'm actually mixed on this. Colleges don't care if you show up as long as you can do the material

I'm more concerned with students that are being socially promoted and pushed through when they clearly don't even come close to mastery of the subject matter

Anonymous wrote:There should be sometime of modified high school diploma that a kid who does some work but does not meet all requirements can obtain. Kids with 47 unexcused absences who fail to make them up in summer school should not be receiving the same diploma as their peers that didn't skip all their classes. Teachers should not be pressured to pass kids along and should start giving Fs if the kid is actually failing.

Right now all the faux diplomas in MCPS are ONLY helping the administrators appear that they are serving lower performing kids by achieving high graduation numbers.

Agree DCPS has a similar issue. Graduation numbers are the latest scam statistic across the country

We are giving diplomas to people who can't even read the diploma in some cases

And again when students hit the real world and get fired for not showing up or being capable of doing basic tasks we only have ourselves to blame

Theses education gaps need to be addressed earlier ideally even before birth through better parenting classes for folks

Social promotion helps no one

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Of course I was being exaggerating a little bit. But one of the PP was clear: when I was talking about punishing students for breaking the rules as a way of promoting a good environment at school and discouraging others from doing the same, he/she stated his/her objection on using punishment for this purpose (not helping the one being punished).

Isn't that the same as saying: if you punish a student, it has to result in some kind of HELP to THAT student?

Do you object to this idea?

Of course I do.

Punishing someone does not HAVE to be a way of helping that same person.

In some cases, it can be. In some cases, it is not.

There should be sometime of modified high school diploma that a kid who does some work but does not meet all requirements can obtain. Kids with 47 unexcused absences who fail to make them up in summer school should not be receiving the same diploma as their peers that didn't skip all their classes. Teachers should not be pressured to pass kids along and should start giving Fs if the kid is actually failing.

Right now all the faux diplomas in MCPS are ONLY helping the administrators appear that they are serving lower performing kids by achieving high graduation numbers.

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Of course I was being exaggerating a little bit. But one of the PP was clear: when I was talking about punishing students for breaking the rules as a way of promoting a good environment at school and discouraging others from doing the same, he/she stated his/her objection on using punishment for this purpose (not helping the one being punished).

Isn't that the same as saying: if you punish a student, it has to result in some kind of HELP to THAT student?

Do you object to this idea?

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more victim card and blaming from the SJW crowd
Zero personal accountability and responsibility. Pathetic

bot post

oh well

I'm giving the bot post a +1

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According to some of the PP, not issuing a HS diploma to a student does not HELP that student, so it should not be done.

We should issue HS diploma to all students since that "HELPS" them.

Apparently to some PP, HELPING all the kids is the only thing that needs to be considered.

Nobody has actually said any of that.

But yes, as a general principle, school policies should help students, not hurt them.

Of course I was being exaggerating a little bit. But one of the PP was clear: when I was talking about punishing students for breaking the rules as a way of promoting a good environment at school and discouraging others from doing the same, he/she stated his/her objection on using punishment for this purpose (not helping the one being punished).

Isn't that the same as saying: if you punish a student, it has to result in some kind of HELP to THAT student?

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According to some of the PP, not issuing a HS diploma to a student does not HELP that student, so it should not be done.

We should issue HS diploma to all students since that "HELPS" them.

Apparently to some PP, HELPING all the kids is the only thing that needs to be considered.

Nobody has actually said any of that.

But yes, as a general principle, school policies should help students, not hurt them.

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No one is focusing on punishments for students who skip school because they don't care. For those students, it doesn't matter. We punish them not to help them (I don't care for them either), but to stop others from acting like them.

Punishments work for students who care. Very simple.

For students having other reasons (which you think do not deserve punishment)? Is is hard to understand that all rules can have exceptions.

No, I can't get behind making an example of some kids for the edification of other kids.

Well, that kind of philosophy is not going to work (punishing someone can only be used if it helps that same person).

Says who?

Do you punish your children? If so, for whose benefit?

What kind of example is that?

I am saying that punishing someone DOES NOT HAVE to help that person.

I am not saying that punishing someone MUST NOT help that person.

Examples where punishment and benefit coexist, are irrelevant - I never claimed that these can not exist. I am just saying these are not the ONLY way.

Why does MCPS for e a HS diploma on students who cannot manage attend school and learn? Could the sfudent write or do 9th grade math?

According to some of the PP, not issuing a HS diploma to a student does not HELP that student, so it should not be done.

We should issue HS diploma to all students since that "HELPS" them.

Apparently to some PP, HELPING all the kids is the only thing that needs to be considered.

Is anyone else bothered by Jennifer Webster's quote by the post that attendance doesn't matter as long as the grade is good? Her example was if a child can go to class 40% of the time and earn a B.

As a parent, I wonder the value of the classroom instruction if a child can be absent 60% of the time and earn a B. Is the material challenging enough or is the problem children are skating through without merrit? Or both problems?

It's scary that Central Office staff doesn’t view the attendance numbers as a problem or something that needs addressing.

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Anonymous wrote:It's simple math:

2/3 of a school year in MoCo > Full school year in Honduras

yup and in Third World Latin American countries and AA communities with generations of poverty people don't value school

That's what people said about my great-grandparents when they came to the US. My grandfather dropped out of high school and went to work, because the family needed the money. His son (my father) got a Ph.D.