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Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 131
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) - 139/140 / 135 - Composite - 144
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) - don’t know
In-Pool: (Y/N) - Y
Parent Referral: (Y/N) - Yes
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

We are so disappointed and will request the packets tomorrow.

Only thing missing here is GBRS. I suspect it is very low with poor recommendation from the teacher. May be they thought the kid is prepped for rests but is not a AAP material. How were the report cards for last 3 years? DRA scores? Was the child in advanced reading, marh groups in the class as evident from the report cards?

I dont think we see the full picture unless we know all these dstapoints and I dont think FCPS can afford to reject objective test scores but take subjective opinion from teachers unless they also have other valid data points to deny.

If I were you, I would go for an appeal and try it out.

NP-I just want to point out that some schools do not have advanced reading and math groups. The only enrichment at our school is from parent volunteers. There is no different math offered for any kid until grade 5.

Same. It is really frustrating that some schools provide so much more for general ed, some schools have local level 4, some schools have nothing. Its the same school system!

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like there is an over reliance on the teacher’s observations, which is so subjective. Why bother with the tests if they don’t count for anything?

Agree, especially when a child’s teacher assignment is random. Some teachers seem to put a lot more effort into tracking a child’s particular noteworthy moments throughout the year.

With all the ridiculous test prepping that goes on, it’s no wonder they are relying more and more on teacher observations. It’s the test results that have become unreliable.

THIS.

Test prepping can only bump up the score so much. So many of the kids being rejected are well above the cutoff. No reasonable person can conclude that this child who would otherwise get a 100 on the test got a 140 through prep.

The problem with relying on teachers is that they’ll have their own bias. How likely are they to choose a bright kid who is outgoing and participates in class consistently, over a bright kid who is shy and afraid to speak up?

Or another common variant, the annoying bored disruptive bright kid...

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NNAT: 118
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) - 111/129 / 128 - Composite - 127
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) - don’t know
In-Pool: (Y/N) - N
Parent Referral: (Y/N) - Yes w/full documentation
WISC: N
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - IN!

This is my oldest child so my first time through this. I wasn’t sure what to expect. I submitted the parent referral after DD didnt make it into the pool automatically. I provided the max number of samples and pages allowed. I would like to get the full packet from the AART to see what the GBRS and teacher comments were.

This is as shocking to me as the high scores that didn't get in.

Looking at the very high scores that were rejected, I am frankly shocked that my kid, with no-champagne-to-break-open scores (NNAT 111, COGAT 124) got in. He had stellar GBRS though. So I have to believe that GBRS was given way more weight this year. Otherwise no way he would get in over someone with scores over 135.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like there is an over reliance on the teacher’s observations, which is so subjective. Why bother with the tests if they don’t count for anything?

Agree, especially when a child’s teacher assignment is random. Some teachers seem to put a lot more effort into tracking a child’s particular noteworthy moments throughout the year.

With all the ridiculous test prepping that goes on, it’s no wonder they are relying more and more on teacher observations. It’s the test results that have become unreliable.

THIS.

Test prepping can only bump up the score so much. So many of the kids being rejected are well above the cutoff. No reasonable person can conclude that this child who would otherwise get a 100 on the test got a 140 through prep.

The problem with relying on teachers is that they’ll have their own bias. How likely are they to choose a bright kid who is outgoing and participates in class consistently, over a bright kid who is shy and afraid to speak up?

I posted earlier and my kid is in but there are so many of these that are definite headscratchers. I hope they didn't somehow reverse the letters. What a cluster that would be.

FWIW I think AAP is the right place for my kid but I wasn't sure that would come across on paper. He is extremely bright but his test scores were so-so (117 NNAT, 132 CogAT - so he was in the pool). His handwriting is atrocious and I wasn't sure how the samples would be. His grades are good and he picks stuff up extremely quickly so I guess his GBRS was decent - I haven't seen it. All this to say, I wasn't shocked that he got in but I wouldn't have been shocked if he didn't either.

Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 131
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) - 139/140 / 135 - Composite - 144
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) - don’t know
In-Pool: (Y/N) - Y
Parent Referral: (Y/N) - Yes
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

We are so disappointed and will request the packets tomorrow.

This is shocking.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 131
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) - 139/140 / 135 - Composite - 144
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) - don’t know
In-Pool: (Y/N) - Y
Parent Referral: (Y/N) - Yes
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

We are so disappointed and will request the packets tomorrow.

Only thing missing here is GBRS. I suspect it is very low with poor recommendation from the teacher. May be they thought the kid is prepped for rests but is not a AAP material. How were the report cards for last 3 years? DRA scores? Was the child in advanced reading, marh groups in the class as evident from the report cards?

I dont think we see the full picture unless we know all these dstapoints and I dont think FCPS can afford to reject objective test scores but take subjective opinion from teachers unless they also have other valid data points to deny.

If I were you, I would go for an appeal and try it out.

NP-I just want to point out that some schools do not have advanced reading and math groups. The only enrichment at our school is from parent volunteers. There is no different math offered for any kid until grade 5.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like there is an over reliance on the teacher’s observations, which is so subjective. Why bother with the tests if they don’t count for anything?

Agree, especially when a child’s teacher assignment is random. Some teachers seem to put a lot more effort into tracking a child’s particular noteworthy moments throughout the year.

With all the ridiculous test prepping that goes on, it’s no wonder they are relying more and more on teacher observations. It’s the test results that have become unreliable.

THIS.

Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 131
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) - 139/140 / 135 - Composite - 144
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) - don’t know
In-Pool: (Y/N) - Y
Parent Referral: (Y/N) - Yes
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

We are so disappointed and will request the packets tomorrow.

Only thing missing here is GBRS. I suspect it is very low with poor recommendation from the teacher. May be they thought the kid is prepped for rests but is not a AAP material. How were the report cards for last 3 years? DRA scores? Was the child in advanced reading, marh groups in the class as evident from the report cards?

I dont think we see the full picture unless we know all these dstapoints and I dont think FCPS can afford to reject objective test scores but take subjective opinion from teachers unless they also have other valid data points to deny.

If I were you, I would go for an appeal and try it out.

Anonymous wrote:Looks like FCPS went over and beyond, and sent AAP decisions out early! I see a USPS informed delivery notification that the results will be in the mail today.

Please share the following data points if known:

NNAT:
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite)
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional)
In-Pool: (Y/N)
Parent Referral: (Y/N)
WISC:
Zip Code:
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN)

Cogat 145
Nnat 130
In

Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 131
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) - 139/140 / 135 - Composite - 144
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) - don’t know
In-Pool: (Y/N) - Y
Parent Referral: (Y/N) - Yes
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

We are so disappointed and will request the packets tomorrow.

I suppose I don’t understand how the composite is calculated and I roughly understand that it’s not just an average of the 3 subsections but I’ve seen this a few times in this thread and I’m surprised to see a composite higher than any one subsection.

Anonymous wrote:@PP, Looks very bad. My daughter got in with much lower scores

NNAT 158
COGAT 124 comp, 113 V, 131 Q, 117 NV
GBRS: 3 C 1F
Parent File :Y
In Pool: Y

GBRS: 3 C 1F GBRS is very high and NNAT is 99.99%

@PP, Looks very bad. My daughter got in with much lower scores

NNAT 158
COGAT 124 comp, 113 V, 131 Q, 117 NV
GBRS: 3 C 1F
Parent File :Y
In Pool: Y

Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 131
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) - 139/140 / 135 - Composite - 144
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) - don’t know
In-Pool: (Y/N) - Y
Parent Referral: (Y/N) - Yes
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

We are so disappointed and will request the packets tomorrow.

Wow! Seriously, this is unacceptable.