Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 16:01     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/15/us/questions-about-the-border-kids.html

These kids are not visa "overstays."

There has been another surge over the last year or so. Why? Because we cannot send them home once they are here. And, it started with hopes of DACA.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:58     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.


But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.


We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:53     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.


But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:51     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Trump didn’t even use all of last year's border security money.

Illegal immigration is down.

Most illegal immigrants are overstayers, not people crossing the southern border.

Terrorism in America has been caused by Saudi Arabians and native born Americans.

Mexico was supposed to pay for the wall.

The wall will cost many billions and solves a problem that doesn’t exist.

When will Republican Senators grow a spine?!?!
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:50     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.
In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.
This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:50     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.


But it's not just 5 billion.


I’m a contractor and a Dem, no way should he get $5B for the wall! I’m out of work and won’t make back pay but the wall is f*king stupid. There is already a wall!


$5B is just a small fraction of the wall. To fully complete the wall, we will need $35-60B in total. And it won't even work when nearly 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays.

There's so many better uses for that money.


Exactly! As useless as a military parade!
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:50     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
The shutdown will end when the Muller report (or first of several) comes to light. Then there will be a shift in thinking in the Senate. I predict something like a CR until the January 2021.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:49     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/politics/shutdown-donald-trump-nancy-pelosi/index.html

Schumer: Trump said he would close government for a 'long time ... even years'

Returning to the Capitol, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters there is an agreement to hold staff level talks on ending the shutdown this weekend. Trump said he designated a group of aides to participate in the discussions, which he described as meant to "determine what we're going to do about the border."

It's that question which still divides the White House and congressional Democrats, who have vowed to block any attempts to secure new funding for a border wall.

"We cannot resolve this until we open up government, and we made that very clear to the President," Pelosi said after the White House meeting.




Putin cheers!
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:47     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Depends on how soon the Dems decide to approve $5 billion for the wall. I don’t see the President backing down. So I guess anywhere from one day to six years, assuming he gets a second term.


He has folded on pretty much everything else. Why not this?


Actually, he won last year’s shutdown crisis over DACA. No reason to believe he won’t win again. I think he realizes that shutdowns are one of his most effective tools.


He won? Nobody ever wins a shutdown. There are only losers.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:47     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.


You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.


not selfish (I responded to Dem PP shortly after.)

Trump is a narc. You cannot rewire their brains. Give him the wall and let's learn and move on. I lived with a narc for many years. Trump is one of the worst narcs I've seen.

You don't bully a narc. You cut your losses.



Let's not be an enabler. No wall.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:46     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.


But it's not just 5 billion.


I’m a contractor and a Dem, no way should he get $5B for the wall! I’m out of work and won’t make back pay but the wall is f*king stupid. There is already a wall!


$5B is just a small fraction of the wall. To fully complete the wall, we will need $35-60B in total. And it won't even work when nearly 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays.

There's so many better uses for that money.


+1 You don't need a wall in this era of information technology. The problem is that cheap lawless employers like Trump prefer to hire undocumented workers and to avoid using e-verify.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:44     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.


But it's not just 5 billion.


I’m a contractor and a Dem, no way should he get $5B for the wall! I’m out of work and won’t make back pay but the wall is f*king stupid. There is already a wall!


$5B is just a small fraction of the wall. To fully complete the wall, we will need $35-60B in total. And it won't even work when nearly 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays.

There's so many better uses for that money.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:43     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.


You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.


+1

If Dems give him any money now, he will continue to hold the budget hostage for any of his pet causes:

"I'm not signing the budget until you give me 2 more seats on the Supreme Court!"
"I'm not signing the budget until you approve Matt Whitaker as AG!"

The POTUS does not legislate. Anyone who remotely cares about the Constitution knows that separation of powers is more important than this stupid wall (which won't even work).


or . . .

"I'll hold government hostage until . . . "
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:42     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.


But it's not just 5 billion.


I’m a contractor and a Dem, no way should he get $5B for the wall! I’m out of work and won’t make back pay but the wall is f*king stupid. There is already a wall!
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:42     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.


You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.


+1

If Dems give him any money now, he will continue to hold the budget hostage for any of his pet causes:

"I'm not signing the budget until you give me 2 more seats on the Supreme Court!"
"I'm not signing the budget until you approve Matt Whitaker as AG!"

The POTUS does not legislate. Anyone who remotely cares about the Constitution knows that separation of powers is more important than this stupid wall (which won't even work).