Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 20:41     Subject: Re:Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Omg. So so sad. They don’t think she’s alive. So many crazies in the world.


Unfortunately, “the crazies” aren’t just “in the world”. They are in our homes, married to us, our sisters, daughters, and mothers. But some people will ignore that women are most often killed by an intimate partner. They would rather fear a stranger from a different background.

When a woman disappears, there’s a back-twisting effort to assasinate her character or conjure up a perp of the worst racial stereotypes, when the most statistically likely subject is right in front of us and usually performing on camera.


This.

The "crazy" man is much more likely to be someone you share a home or close relationship with, rather than some boogeyman on the prowl.

Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 19:42     Subject: Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
The grandmother may have been used to watching her granddaughter while her son had "me" time around the ranch and with his buddies.

She could have seen her son acting nonchalent at some point between Kelsey's murder and the disposal of her body.

Grandma might really and truly believe that her son is innocent and her main goal right now is keeping that baby safe among the people in her family that are familiar with her.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 19:33     Subject: Re:Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What a tragic story, following another nightmare (the Watts case) in Colorado....

Apparently, P. Frazee's mother Sheila was detained this morning but not arrested; she lives with her son in his home -- this in response to PP who mentions another woman arrested at the same time as Frazee.

For the rest of the Berrith family's lives, they will associate Thanksgiving and Christmas with the greatest loss imaginable, as will Ms. Berrith's young daughter.

Truly tragic.



I don't think the mother should be named, either, for the record.



If he left the baby with her while he disposed of the body and she covered for him by lying about it, she should be arrested. That’s impeding a federal investigation. Kelsey’s body has been left out in the cold for nearly a month now. If she could have brought home one day sooner and this woman failed to help, she deserves to be prosecuted.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 19:23     Subject: Re:Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Anonymous wrote:What a tragic story, following another nightmare (the Watts case) in Colorado....

Apparently, P. Frazee's mother Sheila was detained this morning but not arrested; she lives with her son in his home -- this in response to PP who mentions another woman arrested at the same time as Frazee.

For the rest of the Berrith family's lives, they will associate Thanksgiving and Christmas with the greatest loss imaginable, as will Ms. Berrith's young daughter.

Truly tragic.



I don't think the mother should be named, either, for the record.

Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 19:19     Subject: Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Because they were technically engaged, I don’t think they had a formal arrangement wrt custody.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 19:01     Subject: Re:Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Anonymous wrote:HE had custody. So, he wasn't paying her child support.


Where does it say that? All I read is they shared the baby on different days and after she disappeared he had the child. An informal arrangement is very different from custody.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 18:56     Subject: Re:Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
HE had custody. So, he wasn't paying her child support.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 18:48     Subject: Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Anonymous wrote:I’m very curious about his motive. So far no evidence of a love triangle on either end, there doesn’t seem to be a financial angle.


Child support is a powerful financial angle.

They weren’t married but it’d been a year since the child was born and if they weren’t going to marry, she probably wanted a formal support contract in place. Or maybe she was ending the engagement and he got mad.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 18:37     Subject: Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
I’m very curious about his motive. So far no evidence of a love triangle on either end, there doesn’t seem to be a financial angle.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 18:30     Subject: Re:Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Omg. So so sad. They don’t think she’s alive. So many crazies in the world.


Unfortunately, “the crazies” aren’t just “in the world”. They are in our homes, married to us, our sisters, daughters, and mothers. But some people will ignore that women are most often killed by an intimate partner. They would rather fear a stranger from a different background.

When a woman disappears, there’s a back-twisting effort to assasinate her character or conjure up a perp of the worst racial stereotypes, when the most statistically likely subject is right in front of us and usually performing on camera.


This. Amazing how long killers have gotten away with it but the modern era and modern technology is revealing just how many killers sleep in the same bed as their victims in ‘loving’ homes.


What? As soon as this hit the media everyone was saying it was the fiance because the odds were that it was the fiance.

Well actually, disappearing on their own accord is actually the most likely thing. Most people who go missing eventually return home. I'm sure Kelsey's family was holding out hope that she would be found safe - what family wouldn't? But it sounds as though the police have found enough evidence to indicate that she is dead.

This is really sad news especially for that innocent little baby who will never really know her mom.



Yes, I was one of those people. But if this was 1942 or 1956 or 1931 the disappearance of this mother without a trace would have been blamed on minorities or itinerant workers in the community. It would have been buried or forgotten and the fiancée would have just moved on with his life because power, privilege and appearance said he couldn’t have done it.

https://www.innocenceproject.org/african-american-wrongful-convictions-throughout-history/

Also most teenagers or depressed individuals with few ties to the community run off. But a young, stable new mom who loved her child? She doesn’t fit that profile.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 18:06     Subject: Re:Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Omg. So so sad. They don’t think she’s alive. So many crazies in the world.


Unfortunately, “the crazies” aren’t just “in the world”. They are in our homes, married to us, our sisters, daughters, and mothers. But some people will ignore that women are most often killed by an intimate partner. They would rather fear a stranger from a different background.

When a woman disappears, there’s a back-twisting effort to assasinate her character or conjure up a perp of the worst racial stereotypes, when the most statistically likely subject is right in front of us and usually performing on camera.


This. Amazing how long killers have gotten away with it but the modern era and modern technology is revealing just how many killers sleep in the same bed as their victims in ‘loving’ homes.


What? As soon as this hit the media everyone was saying it was the fiance because the odds were that it was the fiance.

Well actually, disappearing on their own accord is actually the most likely thing. Most people who go missing eventually return home. I'm sure Kelsey's family was holding out hope that she would be found safe - what family wouldn't? But it sounds as though the police have found enough evidence to indicate that she is dead.

This is really sad news especially for that innocent little baby who will never really know her mom.





Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 18:02     Subject: Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The killer could've texted her boss on kelsy's behalf to throw everyone off the scent.


Right, but if it's the fiancé, how did he drive 1,000 miles round trip while caring for a toddler at home in Colorado?


You are trying to think logically and not like a soiopath. He might have someone acting with him such as a girlfriend


Who’s the sociopath now? We told you.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 18:00     Subject: Re:Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Omg. So so sad. They don’t think she’s alive. So many crazies in the world.


Unfortunately, “the crazies” aren’t just “in the world”. They are in our homes, married to us, our sisters, daughters, and mothers. But some people will ignore that women are most often killed by an intimate partner. They would rather fear a stranger from a different background.

When a woman disappears, there’s a back-twisting effort to assasinate her character or conjure up a perp of the worst racial stereotypes, when the most statistically likely subject is right in front of us and usually performing on camera.


This. Amazing how long killers have gotten away with it but the modern era and modern technology is revealing just how many killers sleep in the same bed as their victims in ‘loving’ homes.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 17:43     Subject: Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Of course it was the fiance. It's always the fiance. Poor child.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2018 17:39     Subject: Kelsey Berreth-missing CO mom / Is anyone following this?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Poor child.


I keep thinking about this. Bad enough to lose a parent, but to have the other one be responsible? That kid is going to need tons of therapy.
sadly, this is probably true. When I was almost 8 my older sister who was 22 was murdered by her estranged husband who then committed suicide. They had a 7 month old baby who was in the room at the time. My mother and stepfather adopted her, but our family was never the same. The girl had a particularly difficult teenage period and I to her early 20s. She battles depression, picks loser men over and over. It’s a really horrible thing for any family to go through, but I always thought it must be heartbreaking to know half of your dna is a murderer if that makes sense.


I'm sorry pp. What a tragedy all around.


So sorry.

My mom’s best friend was shot by her DH. Over the next decade various family members developed severe illnesses related to stress. Several died. My mom used to say the man killed multiple people that day.