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Anonymous wrote:it is not 25%, it is 25 students out of 335 CES (~7.5%) students got into Takoma..

It's roughly 25 CES students that were invited to Takoma of those that applied which is great considering the CES isn't STEM-focused.

Exactly, CES isn't about STEM but humanities. It's surprising it's that many since CES doesn't prepare kids for a STEM program at all.

Anonymous wrote:it is not 25%, it is 25 students out of 335 CES (~7.5%) students got into Takoma..

It's roughly 25 CES students that were invited to Takoma of those that applied which is great considering the CES isn't STEM-focused.

it is not 25%, it is 25 students out of 335 CES (~7.5%) students got into Takoma..

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS documents clearly state that seats were allocated differently, with more directed toward students assigned to lower performing MSs. For Eastern and Takoma Park, 75 seats went to non-CES kids, 25 to CES kids. Anyone who thinks that ratio makes sense based on purely objective criteria is smoking something.

Well, it’s gotta be healthier than smoking sour grapes...

Their post literally doesn’t add up since there are around 220 to 240 total seats at eastern and Takoma. Without a credible source iit appears they’re making up numbers to suit their narritive of choice and lend credit to unproven conspiracy theories.

Maybe the PP is confused about numbers vs. percents.

But yes, I agree. Obviously everybody who wants to maximize their child's chances for the math/science middle school magnet program should move to the Takoma Park service area - or the Roberto Clemente service area!

Perhaps, but they post clearly stated 75 seats, not percent... but more importantly they failed to provide any type of corobating citation which means it's all just BS.

I can try to offer some "corobating citation"


Here is the MCPS document clearly showing that certain middle schools have a lot of highly qualified students:
Cabin John, Frost, Hoover, Pyle, Silver Spring International and Sligo.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/msmagnet/about/MS%20Magnet%20Field%20Test%20Data%20by%20Sending%20MS.pdf

We know that on average just over 3 students from each CES were accepted into Takoma or Eastern
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/msmagnet/about/Summary%20of%20the%20Middle%20School%20Magnet%20Data.pdf

We have anecdotal evidence (from DCUM posters) that some CESs only had a couple of students accepted into the middle school magnets. Students at CESs at schools such as Cold Spring ES and Pine Crest seem to have been at a real disadvantage, presumably because of the geographical/ peer cohort criteria.

Worth noting that the same MCPS document also shows that nearly every middle school has enough highly qualified students to have a full class of gifted math and gifted social studies so highly gifted students in these middle schools would presumably have a peer group in their home middle school.

Another MCPS document which notes that this year's magnet class is different in a notable way:
"Has the program itself changed as a result of the new screening process for the Science, math, computer science program?

We still have many top math students in our new sixth grade class, and we are seeing a greater diversity in ability. This is an important opportunity for highly able students to be able to step up into a more rigorous curriculum. What has changed is not the rigor of the program or our expectations of students. What has changed is instruction and what the teachers need to do. Our teachers are expected to provide supports and scaffolding to help all magnet students attain the level of mastery of students working at a high level in mathematics"

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/specialprograms/middle/Grade%205%20Parent%20FAQ's%20.pdf

My apologies. One of the links did not post in my above post. I have corrected it.

I find it amazing that as many as 25% of the students from a humanities focused enrichment program like the elementary CES got into a STEM-focused magnet like Takoma.

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If almost all the middle school has a cohort, then isn't this so called "cohort" criteria a joke? why it was only applied to certain schools?

Because the goal was to reduce the number of Asian American students and voila that is exactly what they did. The schools that were blocked had more highly performing Asian American students.The enrollment in the end did not add very many URM students but whites did go up and Asians went down so MCPS sees it as success in getting closer to the demographics that it wants. Its called racial balancing and its very wrong. White kids who don't perform as well as Asian kids do not need extra privilege but they certainly got it! Plus TPMS got to keep its 25 in boundary seats that don't need to compete with the rest of the county. These kids certainly don't deserve to be there and most are white. Asian American parents are not dumb, they know very well that if they try to move into TPMS that they will still get blocked. However nice try in enticing families that can prop up the scores in the low performing ES to move while at the same time discriminating against them.

Now the magnet has -how did they put it - a greater diversity in ability- translating to the magnet no low longer has the top applicants.

As much as I love these fan fictions people post, it might be more helpful to stick with actual facts.

If almost all the middle school has a cohort, then isn't this so called "cohort" criteria a joke? why it was only applied to certain schools?

Because the goal was to reduce the number of Asian American students and voila that is exactly what they did. The schools that were blocked had more highly performing Asian American students.The enrollment in the end did not add very many URM students but whites did go up and Asians went down so MCPS sees it as success in getting closer to the demographics that it wants. Its called racial balancing and its very wrong. White kids who don't perform as well as Asian kids do not need extra privilege but they certainly got it! Plus TPMS got to keep its 25 in boundary seats that don't need to compete with the rest of the county. These kids certainly don't deserve to be there and most are white. Asian American parents are not dumb, they know very well that if they try to move into TPMS that they will still get blocked. However nice try in enticing families that can prop up the scores in the low performing ES to move while at the same time discriminating against them.

Now the magnet has -how did they put it - a greater diversity in ability- translating to the magnet no low longer has the top applicants.

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Worth noting that the same MCPS document also shows that nearly every middle school has enough highly qualified students to have a full class of gifted math and gifted social studies so highly gifted students in these middle schools would presumably have a peer group in their home middle school.

If almost all the middle school has a cohort, then isn't this so called "cohort" criteria a joke? why it was only applied to certain schools?

It was applied to all of the schools in the TPMS/Eastern downcounty MS magnet area.

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Worth noting that the same MCPS document also shows that nearly every middle school has enough highly qualified students to have a full class of gifted math and gifted social studies so highly gifted students in these middle schools would presumably have a peer group in their home middle school.

If almost all the middle school has a cohort, then isn't this so called "cohort" criteria a joke? why it was only applied to certain schools?

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS documents clearly state that seats were allocated differently, with more directed toward students assigned to lower performing MSs. For Eastern and Takoma Park, 75 seats went to non-CES kids, 25 to CES kids. Anyone who thinks that ratio makes sense based on purely objective criteria is smoking something.

Well, it’s gotta be healthier than smoking sour grapes...

Their post literally doesn’t add up since there are around 220 to 240 total seats at eastern and Takoma. Without a credible source iit appears they’re making up numbers to suit their narritive of choice and lend credit to unproven conspiracy theories.

Maybe the PP is confused about numbers vs. percents.

But yes, I agree. Obviously everybody who wants to maximize their child's chances for the math/science middle school magnet program should move to the Takoma Park service area - or the Roberto Clemente service area!

Perhaps, but they post clearly stated 75 seats, not percent... but more importantly they failed to provide any type of corobating citation which means it's all just BS.

I can try to offer some "corobating citation"


Here is the MCPS document clearly showing that certain middle schools have a lot of highly qualified students:
Cabin John, Frost, Hoover, Pyle, Silver Spring International and Sligo.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/msmagnet/about/MS%20Magnet%20Field%20Test%20Data%20by%20Sending%20MS.pdf

We know that on average just over 3 students from each CES were accepted into Takoma or Eastern
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/msmagnet/about/Summary%20of%20the%20Middle%20School%20Magnet%20Data.pdf

We have anecdotal evidence (from DCUM posters) that some CESs only had a couple of students accepted into the middle school magnets. Students at CESs at schools such as Cold Spring ES and Pine Crest seem to have been at a real disadvantage, presumably because of the geographical/ peer cohort criteria.

Worth noting that the same MCPS document also shows that nearly every middle school has enough highly qualified students to have a full class of gifted math and gifted social studies so highly gifted students in these middle schools would presumably have a peer group in their home middle school.

Another MCPS document which notes that this year's magnet class is different in a notable way:
"Has the program itself changed as a result of the new screening process for the Science, math, computer science program?

We still have many top math students in our new sixth grade class, and we are seeing a greater diversity in ability. This is an important opportunity for highly able students to be able to step up into a more rigorous curriculum. What has changed is not the rigor of the program or our expectations of students. What has changed is instruction and what the teachers need to do. Our teachers are expected to provide supports and scaffolding to help all magnet students attain the level of mastery of students working at a high level in mathematics"

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/specialprograms/middle/Grade%205%20Parent%20FAQ's%20.pdf

My apologies. One of the links did not post in my above post. I have corrected it.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS documents clearly state that seats were allocated differently, with more directed toward students assigned to lower performing MSs. For Eastern and Takoma Park, 75 seats went to non-CES kids, 25 to CES kids. Anyone who thinks that ratio makes sense based on purely objective criteria is smoking something.

Well, it’s gotta be healthier than smoking sour grapes...

Their post literally doesn’t add up since there are around 220 to 240 total seats at eastern and Takoma. Without a credible source iit appears they’re making up numbers to suit their narritive of choice and lend credit to unproven conspiracy theories.

Maybe the PP is confused about numbers vs. percents.

But yes, I agree. Obviously everybody who wants to maximize their child's chances for the math/science middle school magnet program should move to the Takoma Park service area - or the Roberto Clemente service area!

Perhaps, but they post clearly stated 75 seats, not percent... but more importantly they failed to provide any type of corobating citation which means it's all just BS.

I can try to offer some "corobating citation"
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Here is the MCPS document clearly showing that certain middle schools have a lot of highly qualified students:
Cabin John, Frost, Hoover, Pyle, Silver Spring International and Sligo.

We know that on average just over 3 students from each CES were accepted into Takoma or Eastern
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/msmagnet/about/Summary%20of%20the%20Middle%20School%20Magnet%20Data.pdf

We have anecdotal evidence (from DCUM posters) that some CESs only had a couple of students accepted into the middle school magnets. Students at CESs at schools such as Cold Spring ES and Pine Crest seem to have been at a real disadvantage, presumably because of the geographical/ peer cohort criteria.

Worth noting that the same MCPS document also shows that nearly every middle school has enough highly qualified students to have a full class of gifted math and gifted social studies so highly gifted students in these middle schools would presumably have a peer group in their home middle school.

Another MCPS document which notes that this year's magnet class is different in a notable way:
"Has the program itself changed as a result of the new screening process for the Science, math, computer science program?

We still have many top math students in our new sixth grade class, and we are seeing a greater diversity in ability. This is an important opportunity for highly able students to be able to step up into a more rigorous curriculum. What has changed is not the rigor of the program or our expectations of students. What has changed is instruction and what the teachers need to do. Our teachers are expected to provide supports and scaffolding to help all magnet students attain the level of mastery of students working at a high level in mathematics"

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/specialprograms/middle/Grade%205%20Parent%20FAQ's%20.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS documents clearly state that seats were allocated differently, with more directed toward students assigned to lower performing MSs. For Eastern and Takoma Park, 75 seats went to non-CES kids, 25 to CES kids. Anyone who thinks that ratio makes sense based on purely objective criteria is smoking something.

Well, it’s gotta be healthier than smoking sour grapes...

Their post literally doesn’t add up since there are around 220 to 240 total seats at eastern and Takoma. Without a credible source iit appears they’re making up numbers to suit their narritive of choice and lend credit to unproven conspiracy theories.

Maybe the PP is confused about numbers vs. percents.

But yes, I agree. Obviously everybody who wants to maximize their child's chances for the math/science middle school magnet program should move to the Takoma Park service area - or the Roberto Clemente service area!

Do schools other than TPMS have an in-boundary set-aside? Also, the county should continue to improve homeschool enrichment as a viable alternative because it's less expensive to implement than busing kids around and there are so many kids who don't make the cut but could easily do the work...

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS documents clearly state that seats were allocated differently, with more directed toward students assigned to lower performing MSs. For Eastern and Takoma Park, 75 seats went to non-CES kids, 25 to CES kids. Anyone who thinks that ratio makes sense based on purely objective criteria is smoking something.

Well, it’s gotta be healthier than smoking sour grapes...

Their post literally doesn’t add up since there are around 220 to 240 total seats at eastern and Takoma. Without a credible source iit appears they’re making up numbers to suit their narritive of choice and lend credit to unproven conspiracy theories.

Maybe the PP is confused about numbers vs. percents.

But yes, I agree. Obviously everybody who wants to maximize their child's chances for the math/science middle school magnet program should move to the Takoma Park service area - or the Roberto Clemente service area!

Perhaps, but they post clearly stated 75 seats, not percent... but more importantly they failed to provide any type of corobating citation which means it's all just BS.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS documents clearly state that seats were allocated differently, with more directed toward students assigned to lower performing MSs. For Eastern and Takoma Park, 75 seats went to non-CES kids, 25 to CES kids. Anyone who thinks that ratio makes sense based on purely objective criteria is smoking something.

Well, it’s gotta be healthier than smoking sour grapes...

Their post literally doesn’t add up since there are around 220 to 240 total seats at eastern and Takoma. Without a credible source iit appears they’re making up numbers to suit their narritive of choice and lend credit to unproven conspiracy theories.

Maybe the PP is confused about numbers vs. percents.

But yes, I agree. Obviously everybody who wants to maximize their child's chances for the math/science middle school magnet program should move to the Takoma Park service area - or the Roberto Clemente service area!

For all the winging in this thread, you'd think that parents who care for their children's future would move in bounds for Takoma to guarantee their child the best possible education.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS documents clearly state that seats were allocated differently, with more directed toward students assigned to lower performing MSs. For Eastern and Takoma Park, 75 seats went to non-CES kids, 25 to CES kids. Anyone who thinks that ratio makes sense based on purely objective criteria is smoking something.

Well, it’s gotta be healthier than smoking sour grapes...

Their post literally doesn’t add up since there are around 220 to 240 total seats at eastern and Takoma. Without a credible source, it appears they’re making up numbers to suit their narrative of choice and lend credit to unproven conspiracy theories.

Exactly - When they things like "MCPS documents clearly state..." but fail to provide a citation it's clear this is nonsense.

Sure, it would be meaningful to know the percentage of Eastern students that came from the CES which focus on humanities, but for Takoma, it's mostly irrelevant. However, it would be helpful to know the percentage of Takoma Magnet kids that had compacted math. I'd be surprised if it isn't in the 90% range, but I'm guessing.