Anonymous wrote:Maryland drivers should be tolled

THIS. Great idea.

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Anonymous wrote:VDOT has said several times that it will only go forward with the pilot program if there is clear support from a majority of area residents. There is no clear support for the pilot program; if anything, most of those who attend the public meetings or otherwise speak out oppose closing the ramp. For VDOT to proceed with the ramp closure would indicate that it wasn't being honest and is just doing the bidding of some well-connected people in the Langley area. Presumably, state officials have enough sense not to let that happen.

I find it obnoxious that VDOT would even consider something like this without doing a regional study and interviewing all those affected,l by the change not just the current situation.

So you think they should interview all of the MD drivers who benefit by using that ramp?

There are more people in VA than Langley parents affected.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor Langley parents. Both their private-school neighbors and the parents at other public schools think they are obnoxious.

No, mainly it's just people like you on anonymous forums who think that.

Says the Langley fools who keep inviting ridicule by repeatedly starting threads about this unpopular idea on, you guessed it, an anonymous forum because their silly press releases otherwise get NO attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor Langley parents. Both their private-school neighbors and the parents at other public schools think they are obnoxious.

No, mainly it's just people like you on anonymous forums who think that.

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Anonymous wrote:VDOT has said several times that it will only go forward with the pilot program if there is clear support from a majority of area residents. There is no clear support for the pilot program; if anything, most of those who attend the public meetings or otherwise speak out oppose closing the ramp. For VDOT to proceed with the ramp closure would indicate that it wasn't being honest and is just doing the bidding of some well-connected people in the Langley area. Presumably, state officials have enough sense not to let that happen.

I find it obnoxious that VDOT would even consider something like this without doing a regional study and interviewing all those affected,l by the change not just the current situation.

So you think they should interview all of the MD drivers who benefit by using that ramp?

Wasn't the situation exacerbated with the hot lanes coming in around there? I remember Langley parents fighting where the hot lanes would end and getting their way. Has this been studied? The situation along 495 near Georgetown Pike has gotten worse because of the hot lanes.

Poor Langley parents. Both their private-school neighbors and the parents at other public schools think they are obnoxious.

Anonymous wrote:VDOT has said several times that it will only go forward with the pilot program if there is clear support from a majority of area residents. There is no clear support for the pilot program; if anything, most of those who attend the public meetings or otherwise speak out oppose closing the ramp. For VDOT to proceed with the ramp closure would indicate that it wasn't being honest and is just doing the bidding of some well-connected people in the Langley area. Presumably, state officials have enough sense not to let that happen.

I find it obnoxious that VDOT would even consider something like this without doing a regional study and interviewing all those affected,l by the change not just the current situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Do Va drivers, esp McLean drivers, drive to DC or Md for work? Of course they do. Do they cut through DC neighborhoods? Yes, they do. Should they stay in Va, get jobs in Va only? Of course not. But they shouldn’t be surprised when people from DC and Md drive in Va.

I would say the vast majority of VA drivers work in VA. Why? Because that's where the jobs are. Tysons, Reston, Fairfax, Vienna, Chantilly - tons and tons of jobs, especially in the tech sector. There are FAR fewer VA drivers headed to MD or even DC for work these days.

Then please explain to me why the traffic every morning on 495 from VA to MD is far far worse than the morning commute from MD into VA

You must be joking. It's equally bad, both ways.

So Va. drivers do drive into Md. and DC? This is so surprising.

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Anonymous wrote:Do Va drivers, esp McLean drivers, drive to DC or Md for work? Of course they do. Do they cut through DC neighborhoods? Yes, they do. Should they stay in Va, get jobs in Va only? Of course not. But they shouldn’t be surprised when people from DC and Md drive in Va.

I would say the vast majority of VA drivers work in VA. Why? Because that's where the jobs are. Tysons, Reston, Fairfax, Vienna, Chantilly - tons and tons of jobs, especially in the tech sector. There are FAR fewer VA drivers headed to MD or even DC for work these days.

Then please explain to me why the traffic every morning on 495 from VA to MD is far far worse than the morning commute from MD into VA

You must be joking. It's equally bad, both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:I was at the meeting last week. The VDOT representatives were very clear that no decisions have yet been made and that there would have to be very strong public support for this controversial proposal to move forward. As it stands there is, in fact, the opposite. Even most residents of the affected neighborhoods are against the closure because they themselves utilize the Beltway. It isn’t realistic to assume that they will backtrack to Tysons between 1-7 to get on the Beltway, only to sit in traffic miles south of where they should have started. This proposal is going nowhere. Frankly, I’m surprised it made it this far.

Utterly false.

Just about everything the Langley parents have posted on this thread has been either false or exaggerated, so I'm inclined to credit PP's account of the most recent meeting.

Not the PP, but how so? I've been following this thread and haven't seen Langley parents say anything false or exaggerated. I live in the area and witness this horrific traffic jam every single day, so I know exactly what they're describing is true.

Another lie.

If all you're going to do is accuse people of lying, then you'd better have something to back that up with. All of us describing what a huge problem this is have described what we see on a day to day basis. You have nothing, other than calling us liars. Which reflects extremely poorly on YOU.

VDOT has said several times that it will only go forward with the pilot program if there is clear support from a majority of area residents. There is no clear support for the pilot program; if anything, most of those who attend the public meetings or otherwise speak out oppose closing the ramp. For VDOT to proceed with the ramp closure would indicate that it wasn't being honest and is just doing the bidding of some well-connected people in the Langley area. Presumably, state officials have enough sense not to let that happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Do Va drivers, esp McLean drivers, drive to DC or Md for work? Of course they do. Do they cut through DC neighborhoods? Yes, they do. Should they stay in Va, get jobs in Va only? Of course not. But they shouldn’t be surprised when people from DC and Md drive in Va.

I would say the vast majority of VA drivers work in VA. Why? Because that's where the jobs are. Tysons, Reston, Fairfax, Vienna, Chantilly - tons and tons of jobs, especially in the tech sector. There are FAR fewer VA drivers headed to MD or even DC for work these days.

Then please explain to me why the traffic every morning on 495 from VA to MD is far far worse than the morning commute from MD into VA

Even most residents of the affected neighborhoods are against the closure because they themselves utilize the Beltway.

I was at the meeting as well. They way I heard it, they are more OFFENDED at the fact that the ability, should they decide on a random Tuesday at 3pm to go to Maryland (where they don't already with any consistency) that this right will be taken away. The reason you cite above was listed in the presentation by those in opposition, not specifically those in affected neighborhoods, as "use it to get to work or have children in Private School in Maryland." What was actually voiced at the meeting seemed more along the lines of "You're taking my privilege away."

You're correct that it seems counterintuitive. I do, however, wonder what the POSITIVE effect on the neighborhoods in that area will be, while the neighborhoods that will now become cutthroughs will obviously see negatives during the Pilot.

As they clearly stated in the meeting, the most frustrating part of this - the Legion Bridge and the Maryland side - isn't going to see any change anytime soon. That we can all agree on.