This is ridiculous. Everyone needs to write APS and tell them to quit with this swap idea. It is a waste of money and does not solve any capacity issues. More uproar is needed so that they actually listen. Sigh. I can't believe we have to deal with this mess.

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The 841 is bullsh1t. Way more space at Key.

They should just close down Lincoln St. between I-66 and the last houses before 14th St. and merge the Hayes Park and ASFS properties into a larger school campus.

The likelihood of the county and school board playing nice on something like this is close to zero, but it could be a big help for APS.

Why don't you also go ahead and tell us more about how the Buck property would make an awesome elementary swing space.

The 841 is bullsh1t. Way more space at Key.

They should just close down Lincoln St. between I-66 and the last houses before 14th St. and merge the Hayes Park and ASFS properties into a larger school campus.

The likelihood of the county and school board playing nice on something like this is close to zero, but it could be a big help for APS.

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Because we have a capacity program, and option schools exacerbate that rather than relieve it because APS can't (at least under the current system) control where the students at those option schools come from. APS cannot force students in overcrowded areas to go to option schools so it needs to provide an adequate number of neighborhood seats for everyone who wants them.

You are correct that APS cannot precisely determine where the kids who go to option schools comes from. But its also clear that APS also has a very difficult time controlling attendance by shifting of boundaries. Everytime they try to move boundaries, its an unbelievable amount of angst and agita on the part of both the community and the school system.

The problem is they don’t shift boundary by a few PUs to adjust imbalances; they do radical boundary changes which basically riles up entire schools.

So why are we moving neighborhood seats from ASF to Key? ASF's preferred max is 841 and Key's is 749. If there is going to be one neighborhood school, shouldn't it be the larger school (because no way are we ever getting rid of the trailers/it's silly of APS to keep referring to the permanent seats capacity of the schools as one of the justifications for the move)?

The 841 is bullsh1t. Way more space at Key.

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Because we have a capacity program, and option schools exacerbate that rather than relieve it because APS can't (at least under the current system) control where the students at those option schools come from. APS cannot force students in overcrowded areas to go to option schools so it needs to provide an adequate number of neighborhood seats for everyone who wants them.

You are correct that APS cannot precisely determine where the kids who go to option schools comes from. But its also clear that APS also has a very difficult time controlling attendance by shifting of boundaries. Everytime they try to move boundaries, its an unbelievable amount of angst and agita on the part of both the community and the school system.

The problem is they don’t shift boundary by a few PUs to adjust imbalances; they do radical boundary changes which basically riles up entire schools.

So why are we moving neighborhood seats from ASF to Key? ASF's preferred max is 841 and Key's is 749. If there is going to be one neighborhood school, shouldn't it be the larger school (because no way are we ever getting rid of the trailers/it's silly of APS to keep referring to the permanent seats capacity of the schools as one of the justifications for the move)?

The Key building itself can hold 653 to ASFS's 553. Better to use the school that can put four additional classes in the building as a neighborhood school. But if the metric we want to use is which site gives us the maximum number of potential seats to manage neighborhood needs, that's still Key which could, in theory, hold up to 1,133 students between the building and 20 trailers, while ASFS has a max of 889 between the building and 14 trailers. Also, because of the way the respective parcels are configured, Key's greater contiguous open space would make it easier to add a utility trailer to serve as an auxiliary cafeteria/gym if necessary.

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Because we have a capacity program, and option schools exacerbate that rather than relieve it because APS can't (at least under the current system) control where the students at those option schools come from. APS cannot force students in overcrowded areas to go to option schools so it needs to provide an adequate number of neighborhood seats for everyone who wants them.

You are correct that APS cannot precisely determine where the kids who go to option schools comes from. But its also clear that APS also has a very difficult time controlling attendance by shifting of boundaries. Everytime they try to move boundaries, its an unbelievable amount of angst and agita on the part of both the community and the school system.

The problem is they don’t shift boundary by a few PUs to adjust imbalances; they do radical boundary changes which basically riles up entire schools.

So why are we moving neighborhood seats from ASF to Key? ASF's preferred max is 841 and Key's is 749. If there is going to be one neighborhood school, shouldn't it be the larger school (because no way are we ever getting rid of the trailers/it's silly of APS to keep referring to the permanent seats capacity of the schools as one of the justifications for the move)?

Because they're both going to be neighborhood and immersion is moving to Carlin Springs. It's written in the stars.

The whole way between Washington Blvd. to Lee Highway, and then north of Lee Highway to where the left lane turns into a turn lane to Lorcom Lane and the right lane becomes a pass-through to Spout Run (where it picks up a new left through lane just past the traffic light).

That was true 15 years ago, but not any more. Between Lee Highway and Washington Blvd. Kirwkood has been narrowed to one lane in each direction, plus a bike lane, plus parking. I know because I have lived there for over 20 years.

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Because we have a capacity program, and option schools exacerbate that rather than relieve it because APS can't (at least under the current system) control where the students at those option schools come from. APS cannot force students in overcrowded areas to go to option schools so it needs to provide an adequate number of neighborhood seats for everyone who wants them.

You are correct that APS cannot precisely determine where the kids who go to option schools comes from. But its also clear that APS also has a very difficult time controlling attendance by shifting of boundaries. Everytime they try to move boundaries, its an unbelievable amount of angst and agita on the part of both the community and the school system.

The problem is they don’t shift boundary by a few PUs to adjust imbalances; they do radical boundary changes which basically riles up entire schools.

So why are we moving neighborhood seats from ASF to Key? ASF's preferred max is 841 and Key's is 749. If there is going to be one neighborhood school, shouldn't it be the larger school (because no way are we ever getting rid of the trailers/it's silly of APS to keep referring to the permanent seats capacity of the schools as one of the justifications for the move)?

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Anonymous wrote:Uh. Those kids actually walk to Tuckahoe.

Elementary kids cross Sycamore? Why all the angst about Kirkwood then, Sycamore is a much more major road.

Kirkwood by ASF is a four-lane commuter cut-through from Washington Blvd. to Lee Highway and Spout Run. Sycamore is a two-lane road from some neighborhoods to Lee Highway and 66. It is not a "much more major road" than Kirkwood.

Where is Kirkwood 4 lanes? The turn lanes at Washington is all i can think of.

The whole way between Washington Blvd. to Lee Highway, and then north of Lee Highway to where the left lane turns into a turn lane to Lorcom Lane and the right lane becomes a pass-through to Spout Run (where it picks up a new left through lane just past the traffic light).

Nope, past YMCA it is single lane road, albeit it is divided with a wide bike lane, so maybe that is why you are confused? But crosswalk to ASFS would have a pedestrian island between lanes.

But no traffic light. Sycamore has a traffic light by Tuckahoe to help with the traffic control.

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Anonymous wrote:Uh. Those kids actually walk to Tuckahoe.

Elementary kids cross Sycamore? Why all the angst about Kirkwood then, Sycamore is a much more major road.

Kirkwood by ASF is a four-lane commuter cut-through from Washington Blvd. to Lee Highway and Spout Run. Sycamore is a two-lane road from some neighborhoods to Lee Highway and 66. It is not a "much more major road" than Kirkwood.

Where is Kirkwood 4 lanes? The turn lanes at Washington is all i can think of.

The whole way between Washington Blvd. to Lee Highway, and then north of Lee Highway to where the left lane turns into a turn lane to Lorcom Lane and the right lane becomes a pass-through to Spout Run (where it picks up a new left through lane just past the traffic light).

Nope, past YMCA it is single lane road, albeit it is divided with a wide bike lane, so maybe that is why you are confused? But crosswalk to ASFS would have a pedestrian island between lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:Uh. Those kids actually walk to Tuckahoe.

Elementary kids cross Sycamore? Why all the angst about Kirkwood then, Sycamore is a much more major road.

Kirkwood by ASF is a four-lane commuter cut-through from Washington Blvd. to Lee Highway and Spout Run. Sycamore is a two-lane road from some neighborhoods to Lee Highway and 66. It is not a "much more major road" than Kirkwood.

Where is Kirkwood 4 lanes? The turn lanes at Washington is all i can think of.

The whole way between Washington Blvd. to Lee Highway, and then north of Lee Highway to where the left lane turns into a turn lane to Lorcom Lane and the right lane becomes a pass-through to Spout Run (where it picks up a new left through lane just past the traffic light).

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Anonymous wrote:Uh. Those kids actually walk to Tuckahoe.

Elementary kids cross Sycamore? Why all the angst about Kirkwood then, Sycamore is a much more major road.

Kirkwood by ASF is a four-lane commuter cut-through from Washington Blvd. to Lee Highway and Spout Run. Sycamore is a two-lane road from some neighborhoods to Lee Highway and 66. It is not a "much more major road" than Kirkwood.

Actually, Kirkwood is only one lane in each direction. It does have commuter traffic, but so does Sycamore.

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Anonymous wrote:Uh. Those kids actually walk to Tuckahoe.

Elementary kids cross Sycamore? Why all the angst about Kirkwood then, Sycamore is a much more major road.

Kirkwood by ASF is a four-lane commuter cut-through from Washington Blvd. to Lee Highway and Spout Run. Sycamore is a two-lane road from some neighborhoods to Lee Highway and 66. It is not a "much more major road" than Kirkwood.

Where is Kirkwood 4 lanes? The turn lanes at Washington is all i can think of.

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Anonymous wrote:Uh. Those kids actually walk to Tuckahoe.

Elementary kids cross Sycamore? Why all the angst about Kirkwood then, Sycamore is a much more major road.

Kirkwood by ASF is a four-lane commuter cut-through from Washington Blvd. to Lee Highway and Spout Run. Sycamore is a two-lane road from some neighborhoods to Lee Highway and 66. It is not a "much more major road" than Kirkwood.

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Anonymous wrote:Uh. Those kids actually walk to Tuckahoe.

Elementary kids cross Sycamore? Why all the angst about Kirkwood then, Sycamore is a much more major road.

They cross in one place where there's a traffic light *and* a crossing guard. But even with that, more of then drive than walk.