Anonymous
08/19/2018 14:16
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
It's a big improvement this year that the N used to report test scores for different groups is 10 rather than the 25 it had been in past years.
Anonymous
08/19/2018 14:15
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Easy fix. City wide lottery!
No, because if that happens, all DCPS schools will be shitty.
So— we just want to keep some shitty & continue to talk about the ‘Ross’ methods for success?! ?
Anonymous
08/19/2018 14:02
Subject: Re:2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Here is one big surprise. I'm pretty sure this is the first year that Bancroft ES has had enough white kids in the testing grades to break out those results.
They scored 86% on English and math --slightly higher than the DCPS average for Caucasian/white, and on par with all the wealthy (and heavily white) schools across the park.
Pretty good for a Title 1 school (68% Latino) where half the school day, instruction is in Spanish. It says a lot about Bancroft teachers' ability to teach to all levels. And it reinforces the decision of many neighborhood parents (mostly middle class, largely white) who chose to take a chance on this high poverty school instead of bailing for Munde Verde or another charter. Like they say, your middle class kid with educated parents will do well no matter where you send her/him.
Yeah at the end of the day almost all the test scores are just a reflection of the SES levels of the kids when they came in
Anonymous
08/19/2018 13:46
Subject: Re:2017-2018 PARCC results
Here is one big surprise. I'm pretty sure this is the first year that Bancroft ES has had enough white kids in the testing grades to break out those results.
They scored 86% on English and math --slightly higher than the DCPS average for Caucasian/white, and on par with all the wealthy (and heavily white) schools across the park.
Pretty good for a Title 1 school (68% Latino) where half the school day, instruction is in Spanish. It says a lot about Bancroft teachers' ability to teach to all levels. And it reinforces the decision of many neighborhood parents (mostly middle class, largely white) who chose to take a chance on this high poverty school instead of bailing for Munde Verde or another charter. Like they say, your middle class kid with educated parents will do well no matter where you send her/him.
They scored 86% on English and math --slightly higher than the DCPS average for Caucasian/white, and on par with all the wealthy (and heavily white) schools across the park.
Pretty good for a Title 1 school (68% Latino) where half the school day, instruction is in Spanish. It says a lot about Bancroft teachers' ability to teach to all levels. And it reinforces the decision of many neighborhood parents (mostly middle class, largely white) who chose to take a chance on this high poverty school instead of bailing for Munde Verde or another charter. Like they say, your middle class kid with educated parents will do well no matter where you send her/him.
Anonymous
08/19/2018 13:38
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the smallest elementary school in all of DC with very little FARMS, ELL and special ed. It better kill it.
Ross is small, but so is Mann. Ross is also only 65% IB—a much lower percentage than the 80% at Mann. Mann also has a lower ELL and FARMS/Econ. Dis. rate than Mann, so why isn’t Mann #1 in everything?
fwiw, Ross is 1/2 the size of Mann.
And? Mann also has twice the number of teachers of Ross.
I’m not saying it matters (hence “fwiw”). You, or whoever wrote the first comment above implied that Mann and Ross are similar in size, but that Ross has more challenges on other factors, and that, therefore, we should draw some meaningful insight from comparing their results.
But the underlying premise — that they are similar in size — is wrong.
Frankly, I’m lost on what the point of this Ross discussion is.
There are a number of schools with strong test results - yay! Keep up the good work! The overall trends are slightly positive — that’s good. Way too many schools have depressing results — how can that be remedied?
I think the point of the discussion is how do we replicate what's happening at Ross, Mann, and all the other schools in the higher percentages. The answer, of course, is you can't. Not because of X or Y or Z, but XY AND Z. It's a unique school by many measures whose uniqueness works in its favor. This is also true for other high performing schools, but it sometimes feels like Ross has the most factors in its favor that can't be replicated elsewhere. (Or at least that DCPS doesn't have the willpower or money to implement.)
You need to be looking at what KIPP and Kimbell too. Schools with large chunks of at-risk kids who still get some results. It's all outlined here about what needs to happen. https://empowerk12.org/bold-improvement-schools
Anonymous
08/19/2018 13:32
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
No, Ross and Mann are not the schools with programs to replicate -- unless you want to focus on improving Janney and Hearst and Murch, etc.
They start at 2nd / 3rd base because they have very few students who don't know English, who have special needs and whose families live in poverty.
The schools to learn from are those that have more than30-40% at risk whose students are still doing pretty well with 40-50% 4+ on either ELA or Math or both.
There are precious few of those, but they are out there.
They start at 2nd / 3rd base because they have very few students who don't know English, who have special needs and whose families live in poverty.
The schools to learn from are those that have more than30-40% at risk whose students are still doing pretty well with 40-50% 4+ on either ELA or Math or both.
There are precious few of those, but they are out there.
Anonymous
08/19/2018 13:16
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the smallest elementary school in all of DC with very little FARMS, ELL and special ed. It better kill it.
Ross is small, but so is Mann. Ross is also only 65% IB—a much lower percentage than the 80% at Mann. Mann also has a lower ELL and FARMS/Econ. Dis. rate than Mann, so why isn’t Mann #1 in everything?
fwiw, Ross is 1/2 the size of Mann.
And? Mann also has twice the number of teachers of Ross.
I’m not saying it matters (hence “fwiw”). You, or whoever wrote the first comment above implied that Mann and Ross are similar in size, but that Ross has more challenges on other factors, and that, therefore, we should draw some meaningful insight from comparing their results.
But the underlying premise — that they are similar in size — is wrong.
Frankly, I’m lost on what the point of this Ross discussion is.
There are a number of schools with strong test results - yay! Keep up the good work! The overall trends are slightly positive — that’s good. Way too many schools have depressing results — how can that be remedied?
I think the point of the discussion is how do we replicate what's happening at Ross, Mann, and all the other schools in the higher percentages. The answer, of course, is you can't. Not because of X or Y or Z, but XY AND Z. It's a unique school by many measures whose uniqueness works in its favor. This is also true for other high performing schools, but it sometimes feels like Ross has the most factors in its favor that can't be replicated elsewhere. (Or at least that DCPS doesn't have the willpower or money to implement.)
Anonymous
08/19/2018 13:05
Subject: Re:2017-2018 PARCC results
The Mann and Ross boosters need to get a grip.
Both schools are doing well. Neither has a high needs population any way you slice it (see the 2017=18 enrollment audit) https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796.
They should both be knocking PARCC out of the park, which they apparently are.
Mann
399 students
34 ELLs
<10 at risk (not reportable)
16 students with Level 1 (lowest level) IEPs; <10 Level 2, 3 or 4 IEPs (not reportable)
Ross
174 students
34 ELLs
10 at risk students
<10 SN all categories (not reportable)
Both schools are doing well. Neither has a high needs population any way you slice it (see the 2017=18 enrollment audit) https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796.
They should both be knocking PARCC out of the park, which they apparently are.
Mann
399 students
34 ELLs
<10 at risk (not reportable)
16 students with Level 1 (lowest level) IEPs; <10 Level 2, 3 or 4 IEPs (not reportable)
Ross
174 students
34 ELLs
10 at risk students
<10 SN all categories (not reportable)
Anonymous
08/19/2018 13:04
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the smallest elementary school in all of DC with very little FARMS, ELL and special ed. It better kill it.
Ross is small, but so is Mann. Ross is also only 65% IB—a much lower percentage than the 80% at Mann. Mann also has a lower ELL and FARMS/Econ. Dis. rate than Mann, so why isn’t Mann #1 in everything?
fwiw, Ross is 1/2 the size of Mann.
And? Mann also has twice the number of teachers of Ross.
I’m not saying it matters (hence “fwiw”). You, or whoever wrote the first comment above implied that Mann and Ross are similar in size, but that Ross has more challenges on other factors, and that, therefore, we should draw some meaningful insight from comparing their results.
But the underlying premise — that they are similar in size — is wrong.
Frankly, I’m lost on what the point of this Ross discussion is.
There are a number of schools with strong test results - yay! Keep up the good work! The overall trends are slightly positive — that’s good. Way too many schools have depressing results — how can that be remedied?
Anonymous
08/19/2018 12:39
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the smallest elementary school in all of DC with very little FARMS, ELL and special ed. It better kill it.
Ross is small, but so is Mann. Ross is also only 65% IB—a much lower percentage than the 80% at Mann. Mann also has a lower ELL and FARMS/Econ. Dis. rate than Mann, so why isn’t Mann #1 in everything?
fwiw, Ross is 1/2 the size of Mann.
And? Mann also has twice the number of teachers of Ross.
Anonymous
08/19/2018 12:37
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the smallest elementary school in all of DC with very little FARMS, ELL and special ed. It better kill it.
Ross is small, but so is Mann. Ross is also only 65% IB—a much lower percentage than the 80% at Mann. Mann also has a lower ELL and FARMS/Econ. Dis. rate than Mann, so why isn’t Mann #1 in everything?
By “everything” do you mean “test scores”? I have no idea what Ross does, but I can say that Mann does not teach to the test.
Ross doesn't either.
None of them do.
Anonymous
08/19/2018 12:36
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the smallest elementary school in all of DC with very little FARMS, ELL and special ed. It better kill it.
Ross is small, but so is Mann. Ross is also only 65% IB—a much lower percentage than the 80% at Mann. Mann also has a lower ELL and FARMS/Econ. Dis. rate than Mann, so why isn’t Mann #1 in everything?
By “everything” do you mean “test scores”? I have no idea what Ross does, but I can say that Mann does not teach to the test.
Ross doesn't either.
Anonymous
08/19/2018 12:32
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the smallest elementary school in all of DC with very little FARMS, ELL and special ed. It better kill it.
Ross is small, but so is Mann. Ross is also only 65% IB—a much lower percentage than the 80% at Mann. Mann also has a lower ELL and FARMS/Econ. Dis. rate than Mann, so why isn’t Mann #1 in everything?
fwiw, Ross is 1/2 the size of Mann.
Anonymous
08/19/2018 12:27
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is the smallest elementary school in all of DC with very little FARMS, ELL and special ed. It better kill it.
Ross is small, but so is Mann. Ross is also only 65% IB—a much lower percentage than the 80% at Mann. Mann also has a lower ELL and FARMS/Econ. Dis. rate than Mann, so why isn’t Mann #1 in everything?
By “everything” do you mean “test scores”? I have no idea what Ross does, but I can say that Mann does not teach to the test.
Anonymous
08/19/2018 12:25
Subject: 2017-2018 PARCC results
Anonymous wrote:Easy fix. City wide lottery!
No, because if that happens, all DCPS schools will be shitty.