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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

Trump and his administration support the lawsuit against Harvard - he does not support anti-Asian American systematic racial discrimination. In fact, he supports justice, equality, freedom, and prosperity for all Americans.

Unemployment has been the lowest in memory, including for African-Americans. The stock market's been up at least 30% since his inauguration.

oh please oh please, I am not happy about the discrimination of Asian Americans, but I also know that Trump is no friend to a group of people who are largely recent immigrants, made up of chain migration. Why do you suppose support of Trump by Asian Americans is low if Asian Americans thought Trump was "on their side"? This group used to vote R. No longer.

You are clueless about Asian Americans (and I guess about Hispanics too).

Most are NOT, I insist most are NOT, recent immigrants.

Yes, they do care about immigration, and would love to see a rational system in place, but they know that Dems didn't move a finger in that direction when they got a chance.

Like most Americans, their priority os about jobs and the economy, probably followed by law and order.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if a majority of Asian Americans voted GOP in 2018 and 2020.

haha... pp here.. I'm an Asian American immigrant. Most of my Asian American friends are immigrants; they were not born here. They came here when they were very young, and yes, most came through chain migration. I used to be a R, too, but most of my Asian American friends are Dems now. I'm in Independent leaning D after Trump.

Asian immigrants really started to come here en masse in the 80s and 90s when racist laws were changed to allow in more non white immigrants. Very few in the 70's (when I came). IMO, that's "recent" enough in that the majority who vote came here in that time period. The very recent ones cannot vote since it takes years to become citizens. I'm from CA, home of the largest Asian American immigrant community.

You are the clueless one about Asian Americans, and probably Hispanics (lots of them in CA, too). Look at how they have voted in the past 30 years. They started out voting for Rs, but now most of them vote D. You might want to think about why that is.

Your post was too funny, and ignorant.

Sorry, but you should educate yourself a bit before assuming your fresh-off-the-boat experience applies to everyone.

There have been strong Filipino, Chinese and Japanese communities for 200 years, mostly in CA. And strong Hispanic communities in many states for over 300 years -- in fact, the vast majority of Hispanics is native born. Look it up, and don't make a fool of yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

Trump and his administration support the lawsuit against Harvard - he does not support anti-Asian American systematic racial discrimination. In fact, he supports justice, equality, freedom, and prosperity for all Americans.

Unemployment has been the lowest in memory, including for African-Americans. The stock market's been up at least 30% since his inauguration.

oh please oh please, I am not happy about the discrimination of Asian Americans, but I also know that Trump is no friend to a group of people who are largely recent immigrants, made up of chain migration. Why do you suppose support of Trump by Asian Americans is low if Asian Americans thought Trump was "on their side"? This group used to vote R. No longer.

You are clueless about Asian Americans (and I guess about Hispanics too).

Most are NOT, I insist most are NOT, recent immigrants.

Yes, they do care about immigration, and would love to see a rational system in place, but they know that Dems didn't move a finger in that direction when they got a chance.

Like most Americans, their priority os about jobs and the economy, probably followed by law and order.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if a majority of Asian Americans voted GOP in 2018 and 2020.

haha... pp here.. I'm an Asian American immigrant. Most of my Asian American friends are immigrants; they were not born here. They came here when they were very young, and yes, most came through chain migration. I used to be a R, too, but most of my Asian American friends are Dems now. I'm in Independent leaning D after Trump.

Asian immigrants really started to come here en masse in the 80s and 90s when racist laws were changed to allow in more non white immigrants. Very few in the 70's (when I came). IMO, that's "recent" enough in that the majority who vote came here in that time period. The very recent ones cannot vote since it takes years to become citizens. I'm from CA, home of the largest Asian American immigrant community.

You are the clueless one about Asian Americans, and probably Hispanics (lots of them in CA, too). Look at how they have voted in the past 30 years. They started out voting for Rs, but now most of them vote D. You might want to think about why that is.

Your post was too funny, and ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:Duke, UVA, Chicago.

Chicago is not ‘conservative’ but accepting of all viewpoints. They encourage discussion of all views. Or ‘not ignorant’ , if you will.

Eh. In the current environment, I'd say any institution which is open and tolerant of conservative viewpoints is not leftist.

I understand why to an extent but because of the deplorables, the Left has gotten increasingly intolerant of anything other than lockstep, knee jerk agreement.

It's like all those people who are shouting "down with the ICE." Ok fine. To be replaced with what? Open borders? Something else? They never say. But if you're not willing to go as far as say, get rid of the ICE totally it's like you're a Nazi to them.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

Trump and his administration support the lawsuit against Harvard - he does not support anti-Asian American systematic racial discrimination. In fact, he supports justice, equality, freedom, and prosperity for all Americans.

Unemployment has been the lowest in memory, including for African-Americans. The stock market's been up at least 30% since his inauguration.

oh please oh please, I am not happy about the discrimination of Asian Americans, but I also know that Trump is no friend to a group of people who are largely recent immigrants, made up of chain migration. Why do you suppose support of Trump by Asian Americans is low if Asian Americans thought Trump was "on their side"? This group used to vote R. No longer.

Wrong and wrong.

Trump married an immigrant. And his in-laws are part of the chain migration.

Don't overgeneralize about Asians. Ask Japanese if they used to be Republicans who only recently walked away because of Trump.

Under his administration’s plan, Trump said they will now only focus on the immediate family by limiting sponsorships to spouses and minor children only

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

Trump and his administration support the lawsuit against Harvard - he does not support anti-Asian American systematic racial discrimination. In fact, he supports justice, equality, freedom, and prosperity for all Americans.

Unemployment has been the lowest in memory, including for African-Americans. The stock market's been up at least 30% since his inauguration.

oh please oh please, I am not happy about the discrimination of Asian Americans, but I also know that Trump is no friend to a group of people who are largely recent immigrants, made up of chain migration. Why do you suppose support of Trump by Asian Americans is low if Asian Americans thought Trump was "on their side"? This group used to vote R. No longer.

Wrong and wrong.

Trump married an immigrant. And his in-laws are part of the chain migration.

Don't overgeneralize about Asians. Ask Japanese if they used to be Republicans who only recently walked away because of Trump.

To be sure, available data show that Clinton prevailed over Trump with Asian-American and Pacific Islander voters.

Moreover, a leftward shift has also been afoot among Asian-American registered voters since 2012, according to findings from a Spring 2016 report released by nonprofits APIAVote and Asian Americans Advancing Justice | AAJC, along with AAPI Data, a program led by Ramakrishnan.

But in 1992, things were different. Nearly 3 in 5 Asian Americans that year voted for President George H.W. Bush, a Republican, according to Cornell’s Roper Center.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

No, but I do support a schools right to distinguish certain personalities that would not be a good fit. Be it a medical school, or Sidwell Friends' admission to Kindergarten.

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Anonymous wrote:Another question: why don't Asians have their own Harvards?
They have to money to set up such a school today.
From what they say, there are tons of highly qualified Asian academicians to support the student body and faculty.
This could all happen overnight. Merit based admissions only
Or is it that some people who complain about Harvard, simply do not have the wear with all or the patience to do such a thing? Are the same groups who are complaining about the admission policies too focused on fast money to pay attention to slower paced academics?

This is like collecting money from everyone at work for a potluck or lunch and when people who paid in show up for lunch, telling certain people - but not all - why don't you get your own lunch elsewhere?

No.. this is like saying, "why don't those black folks (and Asians and Hispanics) stick to their own schools and pools and water fountains. Why do they demand integration?"

In case that ^^PP is not aware, not that long ago, Asians, like Blacks and Hispanics, were not allowed to be educated in the same schools as whites.


Also, creating your own university based on political and ideological beliefs is one thing, but telling an entire race of Americans to create your own university if you don't like how the current system is setup is pretty dam* racist.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

Trump and his administration support the lawsuit against Harvard - he does not support anti-Asian American systematic racial discrimination. In fact, he supports justice, equality, freedom, and prosperity for all Americans.

Unemployment has been the lowest in memory, including for African-Americans. The stock market's been up at least 30% since his inauguration.

oh please oh please, I am not happy about the discrimination of Asian Americans, but I also know that Trump is no friend to a group of people who are largely recent immigrants, made up of chain migration. Why do you suppose support of Trump by Asian Americans is low if Asian Americans thought Trump was "on their side"? This group used to vote R. No longer.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

Trump and his administration support the lawsuit against Harvard - he does not support anti-Asian American systematic racial discrimination. In fact, he supports justice, equality, freedom, and prosperity for all Americans.

Unemployment has been the lowest in memory, including for African-Americans. The stock market's been up at least 30% since his inauguration.

oh please oh please, I am not happy about the discrimination of Asian Americans, but I also know that Trump is no friend to a group of people who are largely recent immigrants, made up of chain migration. Why do you suppose support of Trump by Asian Americans is low if Asian Americans thought Trump was "on their side"? This group used to vote R. No longer.

You are clueless about Asian Americans (and I guess about Hispanics too).

Most are NOT, I insist most are NOT, recent immigrants.

Yes, they do care about immigration, and would love to see a rational system in place, but they know that Dems didn't move a finger in that direction when they got a chance.

Like most Americans, their priority os about jobs and the economy, probably followed by law and order.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if a majority of Asian Americans voted GOP in 2018 and 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

Trump and his administration support the lawsuit against Harvard - he does not support anti-Asian American systematic racial discrimination. In fact, he supports justice, equality, freedom, and prosperity for all Americans.

Unemployment has been the lowest in memory, including for African-Americans. The stock market's been up at least 30% since his inauguration.

oh please oh please, I am not happy about the discrimination of Asian Americans, but I also know that Trump is no friend to a group of people who are largely recent immigrants, made up of chain migration. Why do you suppose support of Trump by Asian Americans is low if Asian Americans thought Trump was "on their side"? This group used to vote R. No longer.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

This is just so astonishingly wrong! Conservatives believe primarily in the original constitutional/separation of powers that gives more power to the states and less to the federal government. Once you understand that, everything falls into place. Abortion, school education, gay marriage = all should be handled by the states and not the bloated federal government. The fifty states are supposed to be incubators working on issues to the best they can and to please their own state voters. The federal government is not supposed to be this big bloated inefficient bureaucracy. The federal government is supposed to be in control of only what the states cannot handle: postage, U.S. postal service, minimal federal taxation to keep a small federal government going, and raising an army. Many agencies should not even exist (many were created by Carter) because the states should be handling these issues on their own. Conservatives DO like change, which is why some of the changes Trump is making (cutting taxes, cutting agency spending, streamlining agencies) are in line with conservative thought. We must end the debt or at least become responsible about it. I have never heard a conservative say they don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs - that's nonsense. What they don't like is that the current burden of taxation has sent many American companies overseas. Bringing them back has nothing to do with automation and it's necessary to create jobs in the USA. Of course they want to treat women equally. I am one (although not a Trumper) I've had a brilliant career - no conservative has ever said they don't want women treated equally. And of course we don't want teens "to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools". Where is that from? What we don't want is the federal government ordering public schools in the states as to what they should do. State and County public schools make those decisions in line with what the voters want. And besides, we all had sex ed in school even if we are "old" by DCUM standards and had it back in the 70s, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's unthinking statements like PP that just shows how wrong civics education has become in this country and how ignorant the left is about what conservatism is all about.

So in your perfect world slavery would still be a state by state decision.[/quote]


Of course not. Don't be absurd. I'm clearly talking about today. And Lincoln was a Republican. it was the southern democrats who wanted to keep their slaves.

Talking about today?
Aren’t you an originalist?