Anonymous
Post 06/29/2018 00:40     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Has anyone tried to pupil place their DC out of Lee for the 2018-2019 school year and if so was it for
AP?
Language?
Other program?
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 20:48     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Lee doesn’t have AP in the same way other schools do. It offers few classes in comparison. Also, an IB school should offer a broad range of foreign languages.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 20:10     Subject: Re:Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
You all should absolutely talk to your school board reps and state delegates about older students in high school if it is a concern of yours (ESOL and Spec Ed students “age out” at 22 - everywhere in the state), but as far as where to go if you don’t want to go to Lee? There are many religious and private school options. Google it. Pupil placements are mostly denied now that Lee has AP.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 19:06     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is true. kids can be 21 and still in HS. That's why you want to either be in a school with very few 21 yr olds (higher SES schools) OR your child must be in the honors classes at the middle and low-end schools -- to avoid having a 14 yr old freshman in biology/algebra (reg. class, not honors) with the 21 yr olds.

If your child really should be taking non-honors (nothing wrong with that), they are in a bad position if they are at the middle/low end schools.


Not true. The older students are not in gen ed classes with freshmen or sophomores or whoever.


It’s not common but I recently had a 21 in my general level class with 9th and 10th graders. The other students had no idea. This was not at Lee but a high SES school. It definitely happens more than you think.


I work in a high ESOL population school. And yes, there are older students in classes. They are fine and respectful and happy to have the chance to learn. Most of my older students are trying to concurrently get into the trades, fwiw. The goal isn't a diploma. It's enough knowledge to pass the GED and pass whatever trade exam they need (HVAC, plumbing, nursing, etc). These are good people and I fully support them getting ahead. Yes, that changes how I teach, but you have to teach the students you have. So, I spend a lot of time differentiating to meet the kids where they are.

It's exhausting. I am relieved it's summer and there's a breather because my heart breaks every year. Kids lose their homes, their parents, they get in trouble with the law in ways that my own kids' friends in our wealth-ish area in Fairfax don't (here's an example -- how many times do 5-10 police cars show up to a house party in Vienna with kids being cuffed and searched and charged for possession? Never to rarely.).

I think the insider probably knows more but I think it's telling that people are calling her or him out. This is why FCPS is a mess. You -- parents -- are not partners. You all have chosen to be adversaries because there is this scarcity mindset. Screw whomever so long as I get what's mine. I've seen it for 20 years.


It is incredibly asinine that you are insulting parents who do not want 20-21 year old adult men attending traditional high schools or secondary schools with students who are 13/14, or in the case of secondary schools as young as 11.

Safety of the youngest should always be the priority over convenience of adults when you are talking about children.

The "rich" school parents would blow their tops over a 17 year old in middle school classes with their 12 year olds and 21 year old men in classes with their 14 year old freshmen.

Why is this an acceptable option just because the parents are poor and the kids ESL.

This is racism and classism cloaked in benevolence.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 18:58     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is true. kids can be 21 and still in HS. That's why you want to either be in a school with very few 21 yr olds (higher SES schools) OR your child must be in the honors classes at the middle and low-end schools -- to avoid having a 14 yr old freshman in biology/algebra (reg. class, not honors) with the 21 yr olds.

If your child really should be taking non-honors (nothing wrong with that), they are in a bad position if they are at the middle/low end schools.


Not true. The older students are not in gen ed classes with freshmen or sophomores or whoever.


It’s not common but I recently had a 21 in my general level class with 9th and 10th graders. The other students had no idea. This was not at Lee but a high SES school. It definitely happens more than you think.


I work in a high ESOL population school. And yes, there are older students in classes. They are fine and respectful and happy to have the chance to learn. Most of my older students are trying to concurrently get into the trades, fwiw. The goal isn't a diploma. It's enough knowledge to pass the GED and pass whatever trade exam they need (HVAC, plumbing, nursing, etc). These are good people and I fully support them getting ahead. Yes, that changes how I teach, but you have to teach the students you have. So, I spend a lot of time differentiating to meet the kids where they are.

It's exhausting. I am relieved it's summer and there's a breather because my heart breaks every year. Kids lose their homes, their parents, they get in trouble with the law in ways that my own kids' friends in our wealth-ish area in Fairfax don't (here's an example -- how many times do 5-10 police cars show up to a house party in Vienna with kids being cuffed and searched and charged for possession? Never to rarely.).

I think the insider probably knows more but I think it's telling that people are calling her or him out. This is why FCPS is a mess. You -- parents -- are not partners. You all have chosen to be adversaries because there is this scarcity mindset. Screw whomever so long as I get what's mine. I've seen it for 20 years.


If that is the goal then they do not belong in the general classroom.

The adults need to go to adult education at Bryant or similar programs, not to a traditional high school with 13 and 14 year olds (or 11 and 12 year olds at the secondary schools like LB and South County.

Why can this GED type preparation occur at the community colleges instead of traditional schools?
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 18:45     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is true. kids can be 21 and still in HS. That's why you want to either be in a school with very few 21 yr olds (higher SES schools) OR your child must be in the honors classes at the middle and low-end schools -- to avoid having a 14 yr old freshman in biology/algebra (reg. class, not honors) with the 21 yr olds.

If your child really should be taking non-honors (nothing wrong with that), they are in a bad position if they are at the middle/low end schools.


Not true. The older students are not in gen ed classes with freshmen or sophomores or whoever.


It’s not common but I recently had a 21 in my general level class with 9th and 10th graders. The other students had no idea. This was not at Lee but a high SES school. It definitely happens more than you think.


I work in a high ESOL population school. And yes, there are older students in classes. They are fine and respectful and happy to have the chance to learn. Most of my older students are trying to concurrently get into the trades, fwiw. The goal isn't a diploma. It's enough knowledge to pass the GED and pass whatever trade exam they need (HVAC, plumbing, nursing, etc). These are good people and I fully support them getting ahead. Yes, that changes how I teach, but you have to teach the students you have. So, I spend a lot of time differentiating to meet the kids where they are.

It's exhausting. I am relieved it's summer and there's a breather because my heart breaks every year. Kids lose their homes, their parents, they get in trouble with the law in ways that my own kids' friends in our wealth-ish area in Fairfax don't (here's an example -- how many times do 5-10 police cars show up to a house party in Vienna with kids being cuffed and searched and charged for possession? Never to rarely.).

I think the insider probably knows more but I think it's telling that people are calling her or him out. This is why FCPS is a mess. You -- parents -- are not partners. You all have chosen to be adversaries because there is this scarcity mindset. Screw whomever so long as I get what's mine. I've seen it for 20 years.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 17:25     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is true. kids can be 21 and still in HS. That's why you want to either be in a school with very few 21 yr olds (higher SES schools) OR your child must be in the honors classes at the middle and low-end schools -- to avoid having a 14 yr old freshman in biology/algebra (reg. class, not honors) with the 21 yr olds.

If your child really should be taking non-honors (nothing wrong with that), they are in a bad position if they are at the middle/low end schools.


Not true. The older students are not in gen ed classes with freshmen or sophomores or whoever.


It’s not common but I recently had a 21 in my general level class with 9th and 10th graders. The other students had no idea. This was not at Lee but a high SES school. It definitely happens more than you think.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 15:31     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is true. kids can be 21 and still in HS. That's why you want to either be in a school with very few 21 yr olds (higher SES schools) OR your child must be in the honors classes at the middle and low-end schools -- to avoid having a 14 yr old freshman in biology/algebra (reg. class, not honors) with the 21 yr olds.

If your child really should be taking non-honors (nothing wrong with that), they are in a bad position if they are at the middle/low end schools.


Not true. The older students are not in gen ed classes with freshmen or sophomores or whoever.


Older students with no high school transcripts are in freshmen non honors classes with 13 and 14 year old traditionally aged freshmen.


You're thinking of this guy: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/a-25-year-old-man-duped-two-texas-high-schools-to-his-relive-hoops-glory-days-before-getting-arrested/

Pretty unusual. Not common.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 15:28     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is true. kids can be 21 and still in HS. That's why you want to either be in a school with very few 21 yr olds (higher SES schools) OR your child must be in the honors classes at the middle and low-end schools -- to avoid having a 14 yr old freshman in biology/algebra (reg. class, not honors) with the 21 yr olds.

If your child really should be taking non-honors (nothing wrong with that), they are in a bad position if they are at the middle/low end schools.


Not true. The older students are not in gen ed classes with freshmen or sophomores or whoever.


They should not be in the same building at the same time. What do they do for gym?
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 15:13     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is true. kids can be 21 and still in HS. That's why you want to either be in a school with very few 21 yr olds (higher SES schools) OR your child must be in the honors classes at the middle and low-end schools -- to avoid having a 14 yr old freshman in biology/algebra (reg. class, not honors) with the 21 yr olds.

If your child really should be taking non-honors (nothing wrong with that), they are in a bad position if they are at the middle/low end schools.


Not true. The older students are not in gen ed classes with freshmen or sophomores or whoever.


Older students with no high school transcripts are in freshmen non honors classes with 13 and 14 year old traditionally aged freshmen.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 15:12     Subject: Re:Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Anonymous wrote:To address a question -- yes, FCPS is required to enroll adults in high school...up to 20 or 21, I think? I can't remember the ceiling but it's common sense. Think about it. A red shirted kid with an August birthday moves his senior year. He's 18. So, obviously, he's allowed to enrolled. The school I work in has kids who I know are 20 and are juniors. They stay until they age out, but like I said, I can't remember what age that is.


That is not common sense.

It defies common sense.

20 year olds should not be allowed into traditional high schools.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 14:21     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
Anonymous wrote:It is true. kids can be 21 and still in HS. That's why you want to either be in a school with very few 21 yr olds (higher SES schools) OR your child must be in the honors classes at the middle and low-end schools -- to avoid having a 14 yr old freshman in biology/algebra (reg. class, not honors) with the 21 yr olds.

If your child really should be taking non-honors (nothing wrong with that), they are in a bad position if they are at the middle/low end schools.


Not true. The older students are not in gen ed classes with freshmen or sophomores or whoever.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2018 13:58     Subject: Key Middle School -Springfield - High Shool Plans?
It is true. kids can be 21 and still in HS. That's why you want to either be in a school with very few 21 yr olds (higher SES schools) OR your child must be in the honors classes at the middle and low-end schools -- to avoid having a 14 yr old freshman in biology/algebra (reg. class, not honors) with the 21 yr olds.

If your child really should be taking non-honors (nothing wrong with that), they are in a bad position if they are at the middle/low end schools.