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Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.

ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal

Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.

Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.

If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.

So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?

No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?

The transfer report shows that last year Nottingham sent 21 students. ATS has 48 students in its current walk zone. Even if we assume all 21 of those Nottingham students could walk to Nottingham and wouldn't need a bus, those 48 students now would. So it won't be a net savings on busing.

So are there currently “only 2” buses or not?

I assume you're talking about the option buses. Fair enough, let's include the other option buses (which have the least impact on the neighborhood). We're up to 5. If you'd prefer to take the buses to the other option schools out because they don't spend that much time in the neighborhood, we're still talking about 2 current buses vs. 18. Nine times as many buses. But that's nothing, right?

I don’t care about the # of buses but you should be consistent with your numbers. Apples to apples.

These numbers are all rough estimates because we can’t have firm numbers until we have assignments and boundaries and future enrollment numbers. The answer still remains that no matter how you calculate it, putting an option school at Nottingham will increase the number of buses in the neighborhood several times over. Do you have a substantive rebuttal to that or are you just splitting hairs on the calculations because you know there’s no good counterargument?

Don’t manipulate numbers to bolster your argument.

There would be more buses. So? Those buses have to go somewhere. Why is any one neighborhood more important than another re: number of buses?

Some sites are better able than others to manage the bus traffic based on their proximity to major roadways and neighborhood arteries, the length of their driveway to accommodate buses, etc.

So are you worried about the bus drop off/pick up logistics at the school -or- the number of buses driving through the neighborhood?

Just imagine having the brain capacity to have more than one concern at the same time...

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Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.

ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal

Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.

Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.

If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.

So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?

No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?

The transfer report shows that last year Nottingham sent 21 students. ATS has 48 students in its current walk zone. Even if we assume all 21 of those Nottingham students could walk to Nottingham and wouldn't need a bus, those 48 students now would. So it won't be a net savings on busing.

So are there currently “only 2” buses or not?

I assume you're talking about the option buses. Fair enough, let's include the other option buses (which have the least impact on the neighborhood). We're up to 5. If you'd prefer to take the buses to the other option schools out because they don't spend that much time in the neighborhood, we're still talking about 2 current buses vs. 18. Nine times as many buses. But that's nothing, right?

I don’t care about the # of buses but you should be consistent with your numbers. Apples to apples.

These numbers are all rough estimates because we can’t have firm numbers until we have assignments and boundaries and future enrollment numbers. The answer still remains that no matter how you calculate it, putting an option school at Nottingham will increase the number of buses in the neighborhood several times over. Do you have a substantive rebuttal to that or are you just splitting hairs on the calculations because you know there’s no good counterargument?

Don’t manipulate numbers to bolster your argument.

There would be more buses. So? Those buses have to go somewhere. Why is any one neighborhood more important than another re: number of buses?

Some sites are better able than others to manage the bus traffic based on their proximity to major roadways and neighborhood arteries, the length of their driveway to accommodate buses, etc.

So are you worried about the bus drop off/pick up logistics at the school -or- the number of buses driving through the neighborhood?

Anonymous wrote:Has there been discussion of hybrid schools? Why not spread out the "option" seats to two or three schools in N. Arlington? Fairfax has schools that house both neighborhood and GT kids.

FCPS has GT? I thought they just had AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:All of ASFS will be moving. There are families who live within the walk zone.

Every school will likely have new boundaries. All. Let that sink in.

Now please stop getting selfish and demanding that we move items between schools. Kids who are at one school in 2020 May get split between 2 or 3 schools depending on how the boundaries shake out. Would you want a precious mural cut in two and taken to the new schools? Aquarium cut in two?

Stop being selfish. We have a capacity crisis and we need people to stop being so parochial and think about the greater good instead of threatening to take their toys home and getting matching shirts.

At asfs there are currently five families who live in the walk zone. Let that sink in— those guys wearing matching yellow shirts who got teachers to also wear matching yellow shirts were literally all there at that school board meeting. There are no more of them. And they literally are the same ten people who have showed up repeatedly at school board office hours— using maiden names and arriving separately to make them seem more numerous than they are. This is the epitome of a minority loud voice selfishly disregarding the greater community to promote a very specific, selfish agenda.
So I think it’s very fair to ask that if they do set up a neighborhood school there, some portion of the science equipment move to different schools. Maybe move the flight simulator to taylor. How special would that be! And move the aquariums to Ashlawn or key or Long branch.

You must be confusing 5 new walk zone families who started at Science Focus this school year. My child finished Science Focus last year and I know of 5 on my street alone who are currently there and I’m aware of about 20 neighborhood families currently there. That does not consider those each year who wanted to get in and couldn’t because there have been no seats for these kids in recent years. When my older DC was there 10 years ago, the school was half team and half Key. In fact, we had a PTA president in past years from the walk area too so it’s not always been all about the children who live in the Key boundary as some would have others believe. People seem to have short memories and focusing on the current population in any one school will never solve any larger APS capacity problems.

Sounds like there are a lot of folks who live near Key who want to have a neighborhood school - I’m confused why people are upset that folks who live near Science Focus want a neighborhood school too … sounds like an odd double standard to me.

Anonymous wrote:Nottingham’s 22 bus number is total fake news. They are using the 13 figure from ATS, but APS already knows that ATS is not busing efficiently and they are planning to drastically reduce those numbers next year. ATS has the lowest number of students per bus in the county. That will be changing to bring them in line with neighborhood school bus capacity. Will suck to be on a bus to ATS, but your time is the price to pay fir fewer buses.
Anyway, Nottingham is using crazy over the top numbers to scare the Boomers into helping them whine about buses. Of course, they also argue the neighborhood is dangerous for walkers. It’s hard for Nottingham to keep its story straight.

You are so full of it. Choice school buses carry fewer students per bus because of the length of the travel time they need from the areas they pick to get to school. ATS starts at 8:25, which means buses aren't supposed to arrive any later than 8:15. With traffic, that means a bus picking kids up from around Abingdon needs to finish its pick-ups by 8:00 to start heading up to the school. They can only start running those routes so early due to use for middle/high school, which means they simply don't have enough time to fill the buses. If you're coming from most parts of South Arlington, the trip to Nottingham is going to run you a good ten minutes longer than the trip to ATS, which means they'll be able to fill buses even less than they do now, unless they're going to make the bus rides from South Arlington so long that families don't even try.

If your real goal is to make ATS rich and white, though, moving it to Nottingham makes a lot of sense. So maybe that's what you're really after, getting the poors out of ATS?

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Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.

ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal

Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.

Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.

If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.

So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?

No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?

The transfer report shows that last year Nottingham sent 21 students. ATS has 48 students in its current walk zone. Even if we assume all 21 of those Nottingham students could walk to Nottingham and wouldn't need a bus, those 48 students now would. So it won't be a net savings on busing.

So are there currently “only 2” buses or not?

I assume you're talking about the option buses. Fair enough, let's include the other option buses (which have the least impact on the neighborhood). We're up to 5. If you'd prefer to take the buses to the other option schools out because they don't spend that much time in the neighborhood, we're still talking about 2 current buses vs. 18. Nine times as many buses. But that's nothing, right?

I don’t care about the # of buses but you should be consistent with your numbers. Apples to apples.

These numbers are all rough estimates because we can’t have firm numbers until we have assignments and boundaries and future enrollment numbers. The answer still remains that no matter how you calculate it, putting an option school at Nottingham will increase the number of buses in the neighborhood several times over. Do you have a substantive rebuttal to that or are you just splitting hairs on the calculations because you know there’s no good counterargument?

Don’t manipulate numbers to bolster your argument.

There would be more buses. So? Those buses have to go somewhere. Why is any one neighborhood more important than another re: number of buses?

Some sites are better able than others to manage the bus traffic based on their proximity to major roadways and neighborhood arteries, the length of their driveway to accommodate buses, etc.

Anonymous wrote:No one on staff or SB is going to change their mind about making Nottingham an option because you argue it’s too many buses. The buses will go wherever ATS goes. The fact that you keep arguing this shows how narrow minded your focus is. This is not about bus fumes in Nottingham. Try another argument. Maybe a new change.org petition. Try the governor.

All we want on the buses is for them to do a study of how they'd handle the traffic. We don't have the bus lane to accommodate all of those buses, so how are they going to manage them without blocking northbound Ohio Street, where will the parents driving their kids to school go if they don't have a drop-off lane, where will they add crossing guards so that kids who need to cross 16th and/or Ohio to walk to Tuckahoe can be safe when they're crossing paths with a dozen buses and 50+ cars, etc. If they do the study and show us a solid plan for how Nottingham will accommodate it all, then we will let up on the bus issue.

No one on staff or SB is going to change their mind about making Nottingham an option because you argue it’s too many buses. The buses will go wherever ATS goes. The fact that you keep arguing this shows how narrow minded your focus is. This is not about bus fumes in Nottingham. Try another argument. Maybe a new change.org petition. Try the governor.

If you are using 22 and including transfers out of your neighborhood, you have to include them in your numbers now.

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Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.

ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal

Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.

Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.

If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.

So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?

No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?

The transfer report shows that last year Nottingham sent 21 students. ATS has 48 students in its current walk zone. Even if we assume all 21 of those Nottingham students could walk to Nottingham and wouldn't need a bus, those 48 students now would. So it won't be a net savings on busing.

So are there currently “only 2” buses or not?

I assume you're talking about the option buses. Fair enough, let's include the other option buses (which have the least impact on the neighborhood). We're up to 5. If you'd prefer to take the buses to the other option schools out because they don't spend that much time in the neighborhood, we're still talking about 2 current buses vs. 18. Nine times as many buses. But that's nothing, right?

I don’t care about the # of buses but you should be consistent with your numbers. Apples to apples.

These numbers are all rough estimates because we can’t have firm numbers until we have assignments and boundaries and future enrollment numbers. The answer still remains that no matter how you calculate it, putting an option school at Nottingham will increase the number of buses in the neighborhood several times over. Do you have a substantive rebuttal to that or are you just splitting hairs on the calculations because you know there’s no good counterargument?

Don’t manipulate numbers to bolster your argument.

There would be more buses. So? Those buses have to go somewhere. Why is any one neighborhood more important than another re: number of buses?

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Anonymous wrote:Nottingham’s 22 bus number is total fake news. They are using the 13 figure from ATS, but APS already knows that ATS is not busing efficiently and they are planning to drastically reduce those numbers next year. ATS has the lowest number of students per bus in the county. That will be changing to bring them in line with neighborhood school bus capacity. Will suck to be on a bus to ATS, but your time is the price to pay fir fewer buses.
Anyway, Nottingham is using crazy over the top numbers to scare the Boomers into helping them whine about buses. Of course, they also argue the neighborhood is dangerous for walkers. It’s hard for Nottingham to keep its story straight.

Agreed. We even saw here that their numbers include buses to other option schools (which every neighborhood in Arlington has), but they conveniently omit them when they say there are only 2 now. It's so manipulative. Many neighborhood buses are busting at the seams and ATS is going to follow that model in the future.

They = APS. Go fight with them about their numbers.

Anonymous wrote:Nottingham’s 22 bus number is total fake news. They are using the 13 figure from ATS, but APS already knows that ATS is not busing efficiently and they are planning to drastically reduce those numbers next year. ATS has the lowest number of students per bus in the county. That will be changing to bring them in line with neighborhood school bus capacity. Will suck to be on a bus to ATS, but your time is the price to pay fir fewer buses.
Anyway, Nottingham is using crazy over the top numbers to scare the Boomers into helping them whine about buses. Of course, they also argue the neighborhood is dangerous for walkers. It’s hard for Nottingham to keep its story straight.

Source? Or speculation?

Anonymous wrote:Nottingham’s 22 bus number is total fake news. They are using the 13 figure from ATS, but APS already knows that ATS is not busing efficiently and they are planning to drastically reduce those numbers next year. ATS has the lowest number of students per bus in the county. That will be changing to bring them in line with neighborhood school bus capacity. Will suck to be on a bus to ATS, but your time is the price to pay fir fewer buses.
Anyway, Nottingham is using crazy over the top numbers to scare the Boomers into helping them whine about buses. Of course, they also argue the neighborhood is dangerous for walkers. It’s hard for Nottingham to keep its story straight.

Agreed. We even saw here that their numbers include buses to other option schools (which every neighborhood in Arlington has), but they conveniently omit them when they say there are only 2 now. It's so manipulative. Many neighborhood buses are busting at the seams and ATS is going to follow that model in the future.

Nottingham’s 22 bus number is total fake news. They are using the 13 figure from ATS, but APS already knows that ATS is not busing efficiently and they are planning to drastically reduce those numbers next year. ATS has the lowest number of students per bus in the county. That will be changing to bring them in line with neighborhood school bus capacity. Will suck to be on a bus to ATS, but your time is the price to pay fir fewer buses.
Anyway, Nottingham is using crazy over the top numbers to scare the Boomers into helping them whine about buses. Of course, they also argue the neighborhood is dangerous for walkers. It’s hard for Nottingham to keep its story straight.

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Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.

ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal

Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.

Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.

If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.

So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?

No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?

The transfer report shows that last year Nottingham sent 21 students. ATS has 48 students in its current walk zone. Even if we assume all 21 of those Nottingham students could walk to Nottingham and wouldn't need a bus, those 48 students now would. So it won't be a net savings on busing.

So are there currently “only 2” buses or not?

I assume you're talking about the option buses. Fair enough, let's include the other option buses (which have the least impact on the neighborhood). We're up to 5. If you'd prefer to take the buses to the other option schools out because they don't spend that much time in the neighborhood, we're still talking about 2 current buses vs. 18. Nine times as many buses. But that's nothing, right?

I don’t care about the # of buses but you should be consistent with your numbers. Apples to apples.

These numbers are all rough estimates because we can’t have firm numbers until we have assignments and boundaries and future enrollment numbers. The answer still remains that no matter how you calculate it, putting an option school at Nottingham will increase the number of buses in the neighborhood several times over. Do you have a substantive rebuttal to that or are you just splitting hairs on the calculations because you know there’s no good counterargument?

Lack of counter arguments has been the theme of this whole debate. Once you say they need to put an option school in NW, the decision to put it at Nottingham is at best arbitrary because all of the substantive arguments for which NW school it should be point to other schools as better choices than Nottingham. Even boundaries doesn't work, because boundaries between Reed/McKinley/Glebe will be just as ugly, and the T/N/D boundary mess could be relieved by making any of those schools or Jamestown an option site, there's no reason it needs to be Nottingham.