Anonymous
09/09/2023 09:51
Subject: Re:Danny Masterson
Letters were carefully worded and consistent. All expressed respect to the judge and acknowledged the verdict. Goal is a lesser sentence.
Check out the irony in these snippets. Don’t do drugs❌ Drug victims✅ Defender of women was nothing but posturing. Scientologist freak established a very loyal bubble.
Mila Kunis: His dedication to avoiding all substances has inspired not only me but also countless others in our circle. Danny's steadfastness in promoting a drug-free lifestyle has been a guiding light in my journey.
Giovanni Ribisi, actor: I have always known Danny to be a central figure in my peer group, because of his integrity, his stance against drugs, his abhorrence of violence and most of all the respect he demonstrates toward women and children.
Younger brother: One example of this was when it came to drugs. My brother has never done a drug in his life.
Shawn Piller, TV producer: He's an adamant defender of women. At a late night pizza place, I watched Danny use his words to defend a woman who'd been struck by her boyfriend, ultimately rallying a room of support for her and ensuring security took her to safety.
Check out the irony in these snippets. Don’t do drugs❌ Drug victims✅ Defender of women was nothing but posturing. Scientologist freak established a very loyal bubble.
Mila Kunis: His dedication to avoiding all substances has inspired not only me but also countless others in our circle. Danny's steadfastness in promoting a drug-free lifestyle has been a guiding light in my journey.
Giovanni Ribisi, actor: I have always known Danny to be a central figure in my peer group, because of his integrity, his stance against drugs, his abhorrence of violence and most of all the respect he demonstrates toward women and children.
Younger brother: One example of this was when it came to drugs. My brother has never done a drug in his life.
Shawn Piller, TV producer: He's an adamant defender of women. At a late night pizza place, I watched Danny use his words to defend a woman who'd been struck by her boyfriend, ultimately rallying a room of support for her and ensuring security took her to safety.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 09:38
Subject: Re:Danny Masterson
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full text of letters from celebrities: Bijou, Ashton, Mila, the entire Ribisi family:
https://tonyortega.substack.com/p/letters-from-ashton-kutcher-mila
I've posted a few times in this thread. I am a survivor of both rape and a workplace sexual assault. I often find myself drawn to stories like this for that reason.
One thing I learned in my own experience is that people can do horrible, cruel, criminal things, and also have this whole other life where they are loved, respected, and surrounded by family and friends.
This is a very hard thing to wrap your head around as a survivor. Both of the people who hurt me are considered wonderful people by others. When I was raped, I very quickly realized that if I reported it, I would face a wall of people who would back up my rapist because of their positive experiences with him. Some of these people were even aware that he had some unusual and uncomfortable sexual ethics-- one of them told me later that my rapist had disclosed to her that he fantasized about nonconsensual sex. Despite this, she still excused his actions towards me and dismissed it as a "gray area." I never brought charges against him, and a major reason why is that I knew he'd be defended and supported, and I feared that I would not be. I was not as loved or liked as he was. But he raped me.
Years later, I was sexually assaulted by a superior at work. I was relatively new to the job and felt very socially unsure of myself there still. The person who assaulted me was high up in the organization, very well connected, and very well liked by both colleagues and clients. People barely knew me. I have an awkward personality and a lot of social anxiety. Again, I knew if I said anything, there would be a line of people ready to defend and excuse my assailant, and I did not feel confident that even one person would believe me. So I stayed silent.
People who commit sexual assault are often in positions of power and authority. Parents, teachers, clergy, bosses, leaders. People tend to gravitate towards, and respect, authority and leadership. It can create affinity, make someone desirable as a friend. Likewise, many people need strong social skills to gain power to begin with. Charisma, good looks, and affinity are common in authority figures because they engender trust and enthusiasm.
If you take two things away from these letters describing this man who was just convicted of two violent rapes as a wonderful friend, warm and caring husband and father, a leader, a consummate professional, it is this:
1) There is no definitive experience of a person. Having wonderful experiences with a person does not negate someone else's experience of being harmed by that person. Both experiences "count" in evaluating that person.
2) Sometimes the very thing you like and find most compelling about a person can be used as a tool for terrible deeds. Masterson's charisma, professionalism, leadership qualities, humor, eloquence, etc. we're all very useful to him in raping women. He used these qualities to draw women to him, to control them, and later to silence them. Once you see this, it might change how you think about what qualities, or combination of qualities, are most valuable in other people. It's certainly changed mine.
I’m so sorry for your trauma.
And also thank you so much for this thoughtful and informative post.Truly.
I’m the PP who has been the least condemning of Mila and Ashton, and your post really sheds some light on things that ought to impact how these letters are used (and even helps to challenge why they should be used at all!)
Maybe it makes society feel better to give a harsher punishment to someone who *everyone* agrees has no positive impact on society? But it doesn’t mean that someone who has had a positive impact on society in one way isn’t capable of atrocities against an individual!
When you think about it, there are probably some whose sociopathy/violence/anger is so obvious in their everyday lives, that they wouldn’t be able to find even one positive character witness. But the concept that rape is only committed by people like THAT is the flaw.
What you have stated is what needs to be highlighted: people you love can and do do bad things that you don’t know about, and sometimes people use their “positive traits” the assist in helping them get away with perpetuating bad acts.
Ted Bundy was a good example of this.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 09:28
Subject: Re:Danny Masterson
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full text of letters from celebrities: Bijou, Ashton, Mila, the entire Ribisi family:
https://tonyortega.substack.com/p/letters-from-ashton-kutcher-mila
I've posted a few times in this thread. I am a survivor of both rape and a workplace sexual assault. I often find myself drawn to stories like this for that reason.
One thing I learned in my own experience is that people can do horrible, cruel, criminal things, and also have this whole other life where they are loved, respected, and surrounded by family and friends.
This is a very hard thing to wrap your head around as a survivor. Both of the people who hurt me are considered wonderful people by others. When I was raped, I very quickly realized that if I reported it, I would face a wall of people who would back up my rapist because of their positive experiences with him. Some of these people were even aware that he had some unusual and uncomfortable sexual ethics-- one of them told me later that my rapist had disclosed to her that he fantasized about nonconsensual sex. Despite this, she still excused his actions towards me and dismissed it as a "gray area." I never brought charges against him, and a major reason why is that I knew he'd be defended and supported, and I feared that I would not be. I was not as loved or liked as he was. But he raped me.
Years later, I was sexually assaulted by a superior at work. I was relatively new to the job and felt very socially unsure of myself there still. The person who assaulted me was high up in the organization, very well connected, and very well liked by both colleagues and clients. People barely knew me. I have an awkward personality and a lot of social anxiety. Again, I knew if I said anything, there would be a line of people ready to defend and excuse my assailant, and I did not feel confident that even one person would believe me. So I stayed silent.
People who commit sexual assault are often in positions of power and authority. Parents, teachers, clergy, bosses, leaders. People tend to gravitate towards, and respect, authority and leadership. It can create affinity, make someone desirable as a friend. Likewise, many people need strong social skills to gain power to begin with. Charisma, good looks, and affinity are common in authority figures because they engender trust and enthusiasm.
If you take two things away from these letters describing this man who was just convicted of two violent rapes as a wonderful friend, warm and caring husband and father, a leader, a consummate professional, it is this:
1) There is no definitive experience of a person. Having wonderful experiences with a person does not negate someone else's experience of being harmed by that person. Both experiences "count" in evaluating that person.
2) Sometimes the very thing you like and find most compelling about a person can be used as a tool for terrible deeds. Masterson's charisma, professionalism, leadership qualities, humor, eloquence, etc. were all very useful to him in raping women. He used these qualities to draw women to him, to control them, and later to silence them. Once you see this, it might change how you think about what qualities, or combination of qualities, are most valuable in other people. It's certainly changed mine.
It is hard to reconcile these letters with his horrific acts against these women. Your perspective is helpful. Very sorry for what you went through.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 09:18
Subject: Danny Masterson
I think it is hard to accept how compartamentalized people can be. I have no doubt these letters reflect the Danny Masterson each of these people know. And given their knowledge of him and his own insistence of his innocence, it can be very hard to reconcile in your mind how he could be guilty. Especially with the added layer of his fame and fortune and how many will say anything to seek that. I am sure most of these letter writers have seen people lie in order to try to gain from them.
It is quite possible that all his rage and anger and need for power and control went into these assaults and never really surfaced in other areas of his life. It is possible also that this was a 'phase' in his life and he moved on from being violent and dealt with this control / anger issues in other ways and so in his own mind he isn't that person either.
Given there isn't hard evidence or DNA or other concrete right in front of you facts - it is hard to reconcile one person's account of an event from 20 years ago with a person you yourself have known well for twenty or thirty years. You have to choose your doubt. What if we didn't support him and he didn't do it or what if we do support him and he did do it. In the cases of people found innocent and exonerated years after a crime there is always talk of the people who stood by them and believed in their innocence etc.
It is quite possible that all his rage and anger and need for power and control went into these assaults and never really surfaced in other areas of his life. It is possible also that this was a 'phase' in his life and he moved on from being violent and dealt with this control / anger issues in other ways and so in his own mind he isn't that person either.
Given there isn't hard evidence or DNA or other concrete right in front of you facts - it is hard to reconcile one person's account of an event from 20 years ago with a person you yourself have known well for twenty or thirty years. You have to choose your doubt. What if we didn't support him and he didn't do it or what if we do support him and he did do it. In the cases of people found innocent and exonerated years after a crime there is always talk of the people who stood by them and believed in their innocence etc.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 08:54
Subject: Re:Danny Masterson
Anonymous wrote:Full text of letters from celebrities: Bijou, Ashton, Mila, the entire Ribisi family:
https://tonyortega.substack.com/p/letters-from-ashton-kutcher-mila
I've posted a few times in this thread. I am a survivor of both rape and a workplace sexual assault. I often find myself drawn to stories like this for that reason.
One thing I learned in my own experience is that people can do horrible, cruel, criminal things, and also have this whole other life where they are loved, respected, and surrounded by family and friends.
This is a very hard thing to wrap your head around as a survivor. Both of the people who hurt me are considered wonderful people by others. When I was raped, I very quickly realized that if I reported it, I would face a wall of people who would back up my rapist because of their positive experiences with him. Some of these people were even aware that he had some unusual and uncomfortable sexual ethics-- one of them told me later that my rapist had disclosed to her that he fantasized about nonconsensual sex. Despite this, she still excused his actions towards me and dismissed it as a "gray area." I never brought charges against him, and a major reason why is that I knew he'd be defended and supported, and I feared that I would not be. I was not as loved or liked as he was. But he raped me.
Years later, I was sexually assaulted by a superior at work. I was relatively new to the job and felt very socially unsure of myself there still. The person who assaulted me was high up in the organization, very well connected, and very well liked by both colleagues and clients. People barely knew me. I have an awkward personality and a lot of social anxiety. Again, I knew if I said anything, there would be a line of people ready to defend and excuse my assailant, and I did not feel confident that even one person would believe me. So I stayed silent.
People who commit sexual assault are often in positions of power and authority. Parents, teachers, clergy, bosses, leaders. People tend to gravitate towards, and respect, authority and leadership. It can create affinity, make someone desirable as a friend. Likewise, many people need strong social skills to gain power to begin with. Charisma, good looks, and affinity are common in authority figures because they engender trust and enthusiasm.
If you take two things away from these letters describing this man who was just convicted of two violent rapes as a wonderful friend, warm and caring husband and father, a leader, a consummate professional, it is this:
1) There is no definitive experience of a person. Having wonderful experiences with a person does not negate someone else's experience of being harmed by that person. Both experiences "count" in evaluating that person.
2) Sometimes the very thing you like and find most compelling about a person can be used as a tool for terrible deeds. Masterson's charisma, professionalism, leadership qualities, humor, eloquence, etc. we're all very useful to him in raping women. He used these qualities to draw women to him, to control them, and later to silence them. Once you see this, it might change how you think about what qualities, or combination of qualities, are most valuable in other people. It's certainly changed mine.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 08:42
Subject: Danny Masterson
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fauxmoi is just mostly baseless gossip and rumour mills. I wouldn't use that as a source for anything. And if you have a valid rape issue, liking gossip and rumour mills is pretty 'drama'.
Chrissie Bixler testified on the stand in the trials and those screenshots show what she posted to IG. Fauxmoi is merely discussing the significance of the February 2001 date in Bixler’s post.
I totally forgot about the Ashton murder drama. Crazy.
There really isn't Ashton murder drama. He and the victim had gone on a couple of dates. Her murderer was found, arrested, and charged. Lots of evidence linking the murderer to the crime. It wasn't covered up.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 08:34
Subject: Danny Masterson
Anonymous wrote:Fauxmoi is just mostly baseless gossip and rumour mills. I wouldn't use that as a source for anything. And if you have a valid rape issue, liking gossip and rumour mills is pretty 'drama'.
Chrissie Bixler testified on the stand in the trials and those screenshots show what she posted to IG. Fauxmoi is merely discussing the significance of the February 2001 date in Bixler’s post.
I totally forgot about the Ashton murder drama. Crazy.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 08:00
Subject: Danny Masterson
Fauxmoi is just mostly baseless gossip and rumour mills. I wouldn't use that as a source for anything. And if you have a valid rape issue, liking gossip and rumour mills is pretty 'drama'.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 07:55
Subject: Re:Danny Masterson
Anonymous wrote:Chrissie Bixler unloads on Ashton & Mila. She was raped by Masterson. Alludes to the murder of Ashton’s GF in February 2001 that was conveniently covered up.
More details here: https://reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/mk1W2z9DIR
Woah. I never heard of the girlfriend being murdered. That’s a pretty bold accusation to put out there if it had no truth to it. I believe her.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 07:40
Subject: Re:Danny Masterson
Full text of letters from celebrities: Bijou, Ashton, Mila, the entire Ribisi family:
https://tonyortega.substack.com/p/letters-from-ashton-kutcher-mila
https://tonyortega.substack.com/p/letters-from-ashton-kutcher-mila
Anonymous
09/09/2023 07:31
Subject: Re:Danny Masterson
Chrissie Bixler unloads on Ashton & Mila. She was raped by Masterson. Alludes to the murder of Ashton’s GF in February 2001 that was conveniently covered up.
More details here: https://reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/mk1W2z9DIR
More details here: https://reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/mk1W2z9DIR
Anonymous
09/09/2023 07:00
Subject: Danny Masterson
Here is a bit of an overview of some of the evidence
https://www.eonline.com/news/1350935/the-most-shocking-revelations-from-danny-mastersons-rape-trial
https://www.eonline.com/news/1350935/the-most-shocking-revelations-from-danny-mastersons-rape-trial
Anonymous
09/09/2023 06:46
Subject: Re:Danny Masterson
Anonymous wrote:How many accusers were there and what evidence was given (outside victim testimony) that he committed the rapes?
Five woen made accusations. Prosecutors felt there was sufficient evidence to change him in 3 of the 5 cases. He was found guilty on 2 of the 5 cases.
I don't believe there was any evidence outside of victim testimony. However the victim testimoney was supported by expert witnesses and the reports of tampering (by the Scientology church) to keep the victims from reporting was used as further evidence.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 06:40
Subject: Re:Danny Masterson
How many accusers were there and what evidence was given (outside victim testimony) that he committed the rapes?
Anonymous
09/08/2023 23:49
Subject: Danny Masterson