Anonymous
11/05/2017 00:18
Subject: Re:Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, Hillary in her $20,000 Armani jackets talking about the plight of the poor. Now THAT'S rich.
As opposed to the billionaire who bilked everyone he could.
Well, there’s a lot of reason to believe he’s got more debt than wealth.
Show us your taxes, Donny, and clear that up.
Oh, that’s right. Donny says not paying taxes is “smart.”
Anonymous
11/04/2017 23:53
Subject: Re:Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, Hillary in her $20,000 Armani jackets talking about the plight of the poor. Now THAT'S rich.
As opposed to the billionaire who bilked everyone he could.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 23:49
Subject: Re:Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I want you to think about this... (rough numbers, not exact)
In 1999 Congress increased the NIH's budget by $2.3 billion[29] to $17.2 billion in 2000.[30] In 2009 Congress again increased the NIH budget to $31 billion in 2010.[30] In March 2017, President Trump proposed to cut the 2018 budget by 18.3%, or about $5.8 billion to $25.9 billion.[31]:26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health
Their budget has doubled in less than twenty years. That's a ridiculous debasement of our currency, especially when we borrow 45 cents out of every dollar the government spends. That's not going to go on forever. Wake up!
A) NIH and other agencies also are subject to inflation and other things that affect budget increases over the course of twenty years.
B) NIH is a gateway for health services and procedures that otherwise wouldn't see the light of day because they aren't "profitable". So lifesaving medicines and procedures that could very well save you or yours one day get tested and applied through agencies like NIH for the common good of all Americans.
C) Your cognitive dissonance is stunning. You're complaining about borrowing and yet the Republican plan would add trillions to the deficit not for health care, not for health research, not for anything of societal value - we'd be borrowing to give billionaires a tax break.
Why is that okay with you? How do you keep on rationalizing that? Unless your a billionaire, of course.
A) Inflation? What inflation? The government tells us there's no inflation so they don't have to raise the COLA.
B) Universities do the same. And let me tell you, they're all about profit; let the PHD do all the research and the TA teach the classes. So that theory goes nowhere.
C) I realize the tax plan is the opening shot. It's sausage making. It's nowhere near done. I also realize that you're all about robinhood economics instead of realizing that a large majority of "the poor" you rant about by class warfare arguments are there due to their own bad decisions. Like I've always said, you could take all the money in the country and evenly distribute it. In five years, the people who had the money before would have it again and the poor would be poor again.
Not PP. So instead you suggest taking it from the middle/upper middle and give it to the rich. Then get back it back again from the rich via trickle down, if the rich actually allows it to truckle and not send it to offshore tax Haven's or go on foreign vacations or put it in their estate to be passes on to their kids fax free so the next generation also stays wealthy without much effort. Nice? This is inverse robinhood.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 23:42
Subject: Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
NP here and I'll gladly pay 15K more a year in taxes - a lot for my family - if it means we have single payer healthcare for every American, fully funded public school education, including affordable public pre K, and we properly care for our most vulnerable in this country, including the mentally ill, veterans, and the elderly.
But the Republicans aren't about taking money from people like me and helping society at large. They are taking money from middle class families like mine to give more to BILLIONAIRES AND CORPORATIONS. Disgraceful. We have some of the lowest tax rates in the world ALREADY. And after all the yakking and groaning from the GOP about the deficit - they're happy to add 1.5 trillion dollars to it to line the pockets of people like DeVos and the Koch brothers.
Is that the utopia that Trumpkins have in mind? Is that what coal miners in Pennsylvania voted for?
I'd love to hear any Republican give an explanation for that with a straight face. And trickle down economics is a hoax and no respectable economist supports that theory. So you can move to the next cheap talking point.
Yea, you aren't going to get that for $15 grand. Sorry to wake you out of your idiotic progressive dream. We have a debt of about $62,000 for each and every person in the country TODAY. That's an indisputable government supplied number.
"We have some of the lowest tax rates in the world ALREADY." - No, we have the highest taxes in the world ALREADY making us uncompetitive in a global economy.
You are an idiot. The country already has debt as big as the gdp. How does giving tax cuts reduce debt/deficit? It will make US like Greece in the long run.
Why hasn't any tax cuts produced the growth that replaces the lost revenue due to tax cuts? It only increases deficit. Can you name any time when this happened? Reagan? Or two bushes? With bushes left the economy in a recession. Bush squandered the Clinton surplus in 8 years.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 23:33
Subject: Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.
Can someone explain?
I thought liberals wanted their taxes raised to support those in need. All talk?
Only with other people's money.
And this is the truth!
The outcry among liberals because it will cost them a few dollars surfaces their hypocrisy.
Yet none of you conservatives will admit where the extra tax dollars are going. Why is that?
I'm still waiting for you libs to tell us how much extra you're willing to pay. About three cents?
Um, crickets.
Talking to conservatives is like banging one's head on the wall. On about eighteen threads liberals have patiently explained we'll gladly pay more IF that money goes to real stuff: cleaning up the environment, stopping climate change, fixing infrastructure, strengthening the support network for those with less. I'd pay an additional 10K.
BUT - and here's the brick wall parts A and B - this gives more money to the super wealthy and corporations and this thread isn't about that.
Well then Write a check to the treasury. You're still under the tax structure and spending of the Obama days, because the present administration's bill hasn't passed. Now get that checkbook out AND WRITE THE CHECK. Stop yakking and start doing.
Not pp. Typical idiot who has no understanding. There is no provision to write checks to Treasury. Besides you are missing the point that Libs want the money to be spent for the right causes. Just giving money to treasury without knowing what it will be spent on is not what we want. Got it? But idiots don't and will repeat again.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 23:30
Subject: Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.
Can someone explain?
to stop the Immigration that is distorting the market dynamics, making more billionaires and destroying middle class families.
No H1Bs
No L1S
No F1s/OPTs
No H4s
NO to Hillary's plan for new H5B visa
Yes to e-Verify to protect US workers
No to Chain Migration, we cannot give welfare to the world. at least not until we help our own neighbors first.
Tell this to the Tea Partiers. They are the ones who fought against e-verify.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/182151-conservatives-pan-gops-e-verify-bill
"The conservative critics – including Republican lawmakers, Tea Party groups and border-state governors – are airing a long string of complaints: From fears the bill will erode civil liberties; to worries it will harm the agriculture industry; to concerns that it simply won't work."
You do realize that the majority of those who hire illegal immigrants are R business owners? Namely the farmers, who mostly voted for Trump?
+1 million. No Republicans are going to actually stop immigration (legal or illegal). Sorry Charlie. US corporations rely on cheaper immigrant labor (again, both legal and illegal immigrants) and the big corporations call the shots in our country now. Any candidate saying they’ll put a complete stop to immigration is a big fat liar.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 23:25
Subject: Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.
Can someone explain?
to stop the Immigration that is distorting the market dynamics, making more billionaires and destroying middle class families.
No H1Bs
No L1S
No F1s/OPTs
No H4s
NO to Hillary's plan for new H5B visa
Yes to e-Verify to protect US workers
No to Chain Migration, we cannot give welfare to the world. at least not until we help our own neighbors first.
US will collapse if the rest of the world, especially China, Europe and India SAY NO TO:
1) US cars
2) Boeing
3) Any US product in general
4) Kick out US companies that sell in their markets.
Globalization is a two way street. US wants to sell in India, India will want to sell it's IT services in the US. You can't have the cake and eat it too.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 23:14
Subject: Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.
Can someone explain?
You live in a Blue State and should derive joy out of paying higher local and state taxes to take care of those who didn’t have the privilege you have. You are the nameless, faceless giver and your graciousness shows by not needing appreciation by those who benefit from your success. You are a Democrat because you believe in sharing.
Time to share.
So everyone in the blue state should share their hard earned money to the millionaires, billionaires , corporations and the moocher red states. This is not the same as sharing for the needy or education, research, healthcare or infrastructure.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 23:05
Subject: Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can start there. Is it a huge % of our budget and we all know how they waste money.
No, we can start with welfare programs and social spending and out of control entitlements, because every year, that's the first GD thing that is brought up and after that, the convo stops. Efff that.
So much for "compromise". See, do liberals EVER compromise?
As a percent SS, Medicare,Medicaid and Defense spending together are 80% of the budget. As much as you wish unless you touch the top 4 you can't reduce deficit. But you are the kind who will believe in your own beliefs rather than facts. So keep living in your fake world.
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/
Anonymous
11/04/2017 21:55
Subject: Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.
Can someone explain?
I thought liberals wanted their taxes raised to support those in need. All talk?
Only with other people's money.
And this is the truth!
The outcry among liberals because it will cost them a few dollars surfaces their hypocrisy.
Th hypocrisy is on the part of “trumpeters” . UMC/MC liberals oppose money taken from them to be given to to the wealthy. It was made very clear more than once but dishonest people like you will not understand what you don’t like.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 21:35
Subject: Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:No one here will tell you to vote Republican.
Don't be silly.
Unless your a racist, xenophobic, homophobe, hypocrit who only cares about the budget when a Democrat is in office, then yes, you would make a great Republican.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 21:34
Subject: Re:Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let's just offshore overseas. Then you can have your progressive utopia with no tax base and no one wanting to work, cuz I'm tired of supporting a country where HALF the people are takers.
Me too. Screw the Taker States.
LMAO! It's the red, Trump voting, GOP voting states that are the taker states. The blue progressive states have a powerful tax base because they WORK, nimrod. The manufacturing, tech, innovation, banking et cetera is mostly concentrated in the blue states because they can get highly skilled and educated workers. Red states on the other hand are more focused on resource exploitation like ranching, oil and gas, et cetera rather than human capital.
Don't forget the coal that's going to make a roaring comeback.
They spent so many decades making people think that a deadly job was integral to their identity and heritage...
...that continuing to pay lip service to that lie was the very, very least they could do.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 21:20
Subject: Re:Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let's just offshore overseas. Then you can have your progressive utopia with no tax base and no one wanting to work, cuz I'm tired of supporting a country where HALF the people are takers.
Me too. Screw the Taker States.
LMAO! It's the red, Trump voting, GOP voting states that are the taker states. The blue progressive states have a powerful tax base because they WORK, nimrod. The manufacturing, tech, innovation, banking et cetera is mostly concentrated in the blue states because they can get highly skilled and educated workers. Red states on the other hand are more focused on resource exploitation like ranching, oil and gas, et cetera rather than human capital.
Don't forget the coal that's going to make a roaring comeback.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 21:18
Subject: Re:Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let's just offshore overseas. Then you can have your progressive utopia with no tax base and no one wanting to work, cuz I'm tired of supporting a country where HALF the people are takers.
Me too. Screw the Taker States.
LMAO! It's the red, Trump voting, GOP voting states that are the taker states. The blue progressive states have a powerful tax base because they WORK, nimrod. The manufacturing, tech, innovation, banking et cetera is mostly concentrated in the blue states because they can get highly skilled and educated workers. Red states on the other hand are more focused on resource exploitation like ranching, oil and gas, et cetera rather than human capital.
Anonymous
11/04/2017 21:16
Subject: Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.
Can someone explain?
to stop the Immigration that is distorting the market dynamics, making more billionaires and destroying middle class families.
No H1Bs
No L1S
No F1s/OPTs
No H4s
NO to Hillary's plan for new H5B visa
Yes to e-Verify to protect US workers
No to Chain Migration, we cannot give welfare to the world. at least not until we help our own neighbors first.
You forgot no H2Bs that Trump's resorts uses, and just added another 15,000 of these visas.
Any Trump voter care to comment? Aren't these visas taking jobs away from Americans too?