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Anonymous wrote:The opioid epidemic was based on a mistake. Have you heard of thalidomide?

Have you heard about the Sackler Opioid Connection?

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12775932/sackler-family-oxycontin/

This article is blaming the opioid epidemic entirely upon the Sacklers. Sure, the drug company was aggressive in marketing (which is a separate issue in itself). But the idea that opioids aren't addictive when you're in pain, when you have no prior history of drug addiction, etc., that is the mistake I was referring to. A couple erroneous sentences in a couple medical journals, cited thousands of times.

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Anonymous wrote:Who benefits the most? Post-surgery patients. I was sent home 40 hours after a c-section with nothing except ibuprofen so I "wouldn't get addicted."

White, UMC, mid-30's, and married, by the way. It wasn't like the OB was judging. He had just set himself up as some a8shole warrior in the war on drugs.

Which physician did that? Liar.

Huh? Doesn't sound at all implausible.

The part about being sent home after 40 hours sounds extremely implausible. Standard of care is 4 days after a C-section. If PP insisted on going home early, it may be that she had higher levels of pain because she put too much strain on her incision.
I don't know if there are some doctors not willing to write scripts for opiods post-C-section now, so that part may or may not be plausible. But prescription strength ibuprofen is a viable way to treat c-section pain. An anti-inflammatory like ibuprofen is really probably more help than an opioid, as it's the inflammation causing the pain (and muscle contractions post-birth). There's some studies (cited lower down in this thread) showing that the anti-inflammatory meds are more effective at treating this kind of pain.

I was sent home within this time frame, more than 16 yrs ago. Produce pee and poop, eat solid food without vomiting, and they're ready to wheel you out!

I was as well. 29 years ago. Tripler Army Medical Center in Hawaii. I had an emergency c-section and was home less than 48 hours after surgery. But I did have pain meds. And I was perfectly fine to go home.

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Anonymous wrote:Related -- Are there any promising alternatives on the horizon for treating long-term, chronic pain? I'm not a chronic pain sufferer, but can't imagine how awful it must be.

There are tons of alternatives to try first. Wise people will do their own research, and avoid opioids whenever possible. (Not everything needs to be a risky quickie pill to pop.)

What are they? I'm not being snarky, or defending opioid overuse. Given the problems opioids cause, creating a safer alternative would be a license to print money. Medical marijuana is a start, but is not for everyone.

You're using that vague tone anti-vaxxers take when they don't have a serious answer. "dO sUm ReSEarch"

You’re going way off topic. Please start a new thread if you want. This thread is about the current opioid epidemic.

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Anonymous wrote:Related -- Are there any promising alternatives on the horizon for treating long-term, chronic pain? I'm not a chronic pain sufferer, but can't imagine how awful it must be.

There are tons of alternatives to try first. Wise people will do their own research, and avoid opioids whenever possible. (Not everything needs to be a risky quickie pill to pop.)

What are they? I'm not being snarky, or defending opioid overuse. Given the problems opioids cause, creating a safer alternative would be a license to print money. Medical marijuana is a start, but is not for everyone.

You're using that vague tone anti-vaxxers take when they don't have a serious answer. "dO sUm ReSEarch"

Anonymous wrote:Related -- Are there any promising alternatives on the horizon for treating long-term, chronic pain? I'm not a chronic pain sufferer, but can't imagine how awful it must be.

There are tons of alternatives to try first. Wise people will do their own research, and avoid opioids whenever possible. (Not everything needs to be a risky quickie pill to pop.)

Related -- Are there any promising alternatives on the horizon for treating long-term, chronic pain? I'm not a chronic pain sufferer, but can't imagine how awful it must be.

Anonymous wrote:The Smithsonian benefited immensely from the Sacklers and love going to the museum.

They really need to drop the deadly Sackler name, like they’re doing in London.

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Anonymous wrote:Who benefits the most? Post-surgery patients. I was sent home 40 hours after a c-section with nothing except ibuprofen so I "wouldn't get addicted."

White, UMC, mid-30's, and married, by the way. It wasn't like the OB was judging. He had just set himself up as some a8shole warrior in the war on drugs.

Which physician did that? Liar.

Huh? Doesn't sound at all implausible.

The part about being sent home after 40 hours sounds extremely implausible. Standard of care is 4 days after a C-section. If PP insisted on going home early, it may be that she had higher levels of pain because she put too much strain on her incision.
I don't know if there are some doctors not willing to write scripts for opiods post-C-section now, so that part may or may not be plausible. But prescription strength ibuprofen is a viable way to treat c-section pain. An anti-inflammatory like ibuprofen is really probably more help than an opioid, as it's the inflammation causing the pain (and muscle contractions post-birth). There's some studies (cited lower down in this thread) showing that the anti-inflammatory meds are more effective at treating this kind of pain.

I was sent home within this time frame, more than 16 yrs ago. Produce pee and poop, eat solid food without vomiting, and they're ready to wheel you out!

Which hospital, 16 years ago?

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Anonymous wrote:Who benefits the most? Post-surgery patients. I was sent home 40 hours after a c-section with nothing except ibuprofen so I "wouldn't get addicted."

White, UMC, mid-30's, and married, by the way. It wasn't like the OB was judging. He had just set himself up as some a8shole warrior in the war on drugs.

Which physician did that? Liar.

Huh? Doesn't sound at all implausible.

The part about being sent home after 40 hours sounds extremely implausible. Standard of care is 4 days after a C-section. If PP insisted on going home early, it may be that she had higher levels of pain because she put too much strain on her incision.
I don't know if there are some doctors not willing to write scripts for opiods post-C-section now, so that part may or may not be plausible. But prescription strength ibuprofen is a viable way to treat c-section pain. An anti-inflammatory like ibuprofen is really probably more help than an opioid, as it's the inflammation causing the pain (and muscle contractions post-birth). There's some studies (cited lower down in this thread) showing that the anti-inflammatory meds are more effective at treating this kind of pain.

I was sent home within this time frame, more than 16 yrs ago. Produce pee and poop, eat solid food without vomiting, and they're ready to wheel you out!

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Anonymous wrote:The Smithsonian benefited immensely from the Sacklers and love going to the museum.

Enjoy the Sackler.

The money was given long before oxycontin. Per a WAPO article this morning:

"Arthur M. Sackler, who gave millions of dollars’ worth of art and $4 million for the opening of the Smithsonian’s Sackler Gallery in 1987, died long before the OxyContin scandal began."

Some museums are now turning down Sackler donations. The article does include a picture of protesters at the Smithsonian.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/museums/two-major-museums-are-turning-down-sackler-donations-will-others-follow/2019/03/22/20aa6368-4cb9-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html?utm_term=.0de5e96a1534

They are sheer evil.

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Anonymous wrote:The Smithsonian benefited immensely from the Sacklers and love going to the museum.

Enjoy the Sackler.

The money was given long before oxycontin. Per a WAPO article this morning:

"Arthur M. Sackler, who gave millions of dollars’ worth of art and $4 million for the opening of the Smithsonian’s Sackler Gallery in 1987, died long before the OxyContin scandal began."

Some museums are now turning down Sackler donations. The article does include a picture of protesters at the Smithsonian.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/museums/two-major-museums-are-turning-down-sackler-donations-will-others-follow/2019/03/22/20aa6368-4cb9-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html?utm_term=.0de5e96a1534

Sackler donations should funnel towards addressing the epidemic of illegal narcotics pouring across the Mexican border.

Anonymous wrote:The Smithsonian benefited immensely from the Sacklers and love going to the museum.

Enjoy the Sackler.

The money was given long before oxycontin. Per a WAPO article this morning:

"Arthur M. Sackler, who gave millions of dollars’ worth of art and $4 million for the opening of the Smithsonian’s Sackler Gallery in 1987, died long before the OxyContin scandal began."

Some museums are now turning down Sackler donations. The article does include a picture of protesters at the Smithsonian.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/museums/two-major-museums-are-turning-down-sackler-donations-will-others-follow/2019/03/22/20aa6368-4cb9-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html?utm_term=.0de5e96a1534

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Anonymous wrote:Who benefits the most? Post-surgery patients. I was sent home 40 hours after a c-section with nothing except ibuprofen so I "wouldn't get addicted."

White, UMC, mid-30's, and married, by the way. It wasn't like the OB was judging. He had just set himself up as some a8shole warrior in the war on drugs.

Which physician did that? Liar.

Huh? Doesn't sound at all implausible.

The part about being sent home after 40 hours sounds extremely implausible. Standard of care is 4 days after a C-section. If PP insisted on going home early, it may be that she had higher levels of pain because she put too much strain on her incision.
I don't know if there are some doctors not willing to write scripts for opiods post-C-section now, so that part may or may not be plausible. But prescription strength ibuprofen is a viable way to treat c-section pain. An anti-inflammatory like ibuprofen is really probably more help than an opioid, as it's the inflammation causing the pain (and muscle contractions post-birth). There's some studies (cited lower down in this thread) showing that the anti-inflammatory meds are more effective at treating this kind of pain.

Exactly. I’m convinced big phama trolls this forum to defend/push their products.

For a historical take on this, everyone should read/watch Long Day's Journey Into Night. Such an amazing, heartbreaking piece of work, and such resonance today. All the more sad because it was basically auto-biographical. O'Neill dedicated it to this wife with this beautiful dedication, which brings tears to my eyes:

For Carlotta, on our 12th Wedding Anniversary

Dearest: I give you the original script of this play of old sorrow, written in tears and blood. A sadly inappropriate gift, it would seem, for a day celebrating happiness. But you will understand. I mean it as a tribute to your love and tenderness which gave me the faith in love that enabled me to face my dead at last and write this play – write it with deep pity and understanding and forgiveness for all the four haunted Tyrones.

These twelve years, Beloved One, have been a Journey into Light – into love. You know my gratitude. And my love!

Gene

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who benefits the most? Post-surgery patients. I was sent home 40 hours after a c-section with nothing except ibuprofen so I "wouldn't get addicted."

White, UMC, mid-30's, and married, by the way. It wasn't like the OB was judging. He had just set himself up as some a8shole warrior in the war on drugs.

Which physician did that? Liar.

Huh? Doesn't sound at all implausible.

The part about being sent home after 40 hours sounds extremely implausible. Standard of care is 4 days after a C-section. If PP insisted on going home early, it may be that she had higher levels of pain because she put too much strain on her incision.
I don't know if there are some doctors not willing to write scripts for opiods post-C-section now, so that part may or may not be plausible. But prescription strength ibuprofen is a viable way to treat c-section pain. An anti-inflammatory like ibuprofen is really probably more help than an opioid, as it's the inflammation causing the pain (and muscle contractions post-birth). There's some studies (cited lower down in this thread) showing that the anti-inflammatory meds are more effective at treating this kind of pain.