Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 13:01     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:HYPS and MIT. Maybe UChicago and Duke. That's it.


Duke boosters are hilarious


The true elite is HYPSM

Next tier is Columbia, Caltech, Chicago

Then it is Penn, Duke, Northwestern, Dartmouth, Brown Cornell, Hopkins
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 13:00     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Ivies, Duke, Chicago, MIT, Notre Dame, Stanford, Hopkins.

I have witnessed for the last ten years the absolute smartest over-achiever ambitious Catholic boys and girls go to Notre Dame. Top 5 overall students in their class at selective prep schools. Maybe its standards were weak 10 or 20 or 30 years ago, but these days it's only admitting brilliant kids in the very top of their class.

I personally do not consider Northwestern, Vanderbilt or Emory to be elite. And while I do genuinely respect Wash U, it has basically zero name rec. And Berkeley is a over-enrolled degree mill full of cutthroat strivers, it's only romanticized by alums and boomers who still think it's the 60s.


Why in the world would you include Notre Dame in this. Total joke
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2021 19:51     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Another ranking thread? Must be a lot of insecure posters. Find something better to do.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2021 18:28     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
HYPSM and maybe Columbia if I'm having a good day.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2021 16:46     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Ivies, Duke, Chicago, MIT, Notre Dame, Stanford, Hopkins.

I have witnessed for the last ten years the absolute smartest over-achiever ambitious Catholic boys and girls go to Notre Dame. Top 5 overall students in their class at selective prep schools. Maybe its standards were weak 10 or 20 or 30 years ago, but these days it's only admitting brilliant kids in the very top of their class.

I personally do not consider Northwestern, Vanderbilt or Emory to be elite. And while I do genuinely respect Wash U, it has basically zero name rec. And Berkeley is a over-enrolled degree mill full of cutthroat strivers, it's only romanticized by alums and boomers who still think it's the 60s.


Interesting. Back when I was in HS in the 1980s, the kids from my HS who went to ND were smart and well rounded and very Catholic - they were great kids but not akin to the ones going to ivies.

My only recent exposure is a friend’s daughter, who fits exactly the descriptors above. Smart but didn’t take the “most” rigorous classes, talented and hardworking but not the star of any team/activities, and of course a strong Catholic faith. A lovely girl for sure, but a better student from her class (in terms of grades, classes taken and SAT score), her own mom described the ofher student as such, went to Georgetown.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2021 16:35     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Ivies, Duke, Chicago, MIT, Notre Dame, Stanford, Hopkins.

I have witnessed for the last ten years the absolute smartest over-achiever ambitious Catholic boys and girls go to Notre Dame. Top 5 overall students in their class at selective prep schools. Maybe its standards were weak 10 or 20 or 30 years ago, but these days it's only admitting brilliant kids in the very top of their class.

I personally do not consider Northwestern, Vanderbilt or Emory to be elite. And while I do genuinely respect Wash U, it has basically zero name rec. And Berkeley is a over-enrolled degree mill full of cutthroat strivers, it's only romanticized by alums and boomers who still think it's the 60s.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2021 15:15     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hasn't Columbia been harder to get into than Yale or Princeton for the last several years?


It has a lower acceptance rate, sure, but:
* It has early decision and fills nearly half of its class through that. Yale and Princeton don't. That's 100% yield for Columbia and enables them to admit less students later.
* Princeton has the most coveted location of any of the Ivies. You get a substantial number of under-qualified students applying simply because it's in NYC.
* Columbia gets to push students into alternative routes (Sciences Po, School of General Studies) which are not factored into acceptances. General Studies folks for all intents and purposes undergraduate Columbia students; they take the same courses as those in SEAS and the College. General Studies has a far higher acceptance rate- 33%- which is not accounted into the 5.8% acceptance rate. Yale and Princeton only offer one route into undergraduate.

Let's not kid ourselves here- Yale and Princeton are harder to get into.


+10000
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2021 15:02     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:HYPS and MIT. Maybe UChicago and Duke. That's it.


Duke boosters are hilarious
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2021 15:00     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And you are?


+2. Who is this person? I've been looking at this stuff for years now and I've seen Chicago and Columbia as the C, never CalTech. CalTech is a great school, but it's not liberal arts the way even MIT approaches for non-STEM majors. You can't lump it on with the liberal arts schools and claim it's absolutely better than many nationally-recognized liberal arts school.


HYPSM refers to the most prestigious schools in the country. Columbia and UChicago are not part of this group, they do not offer anything different from HYPSM, they are not better than HYPSM in any way. Caltech is niche and is better or as good as some of HYPSM in that specific niche area. That is why it is included. That is also why MIT is included. Columbia and Chicago have never been thought of on par with HYPSM.

just do a google search of HYPSMC and see what comes up:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HYPSMC
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/HYPSMC
http://www.yourdictionary.com/hypsmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJajpJGsuYE


Because it is spelled CHYMPS -

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CHYMPS
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2021 14:57     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Number of times schools have been in T5 (only 11 schools have ever made it) US News from 1988 to 2022:

Harvard - 37
Yale - 37
Princeton - 37
Stanford - 26
MIT - 22
Caltech - 15
Columbia - 13
Chicago - 10
Penn - 9
Duke - 7
Berkeley - 2
Anonymous
Post 11/16/2021 09:01     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
This is such a stupid thread. And there a hundred other stupid threads like this one.
Anonymous
Post 11/16/2021 08:43     Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
brown
Anonymous
Post 11/16/2021 01:33     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:TRULY "elite" - let's be honest:

Princeton University (NJ)
Harvard University (MA)
Yale University (CT) (tie)
Columbia University (NY) (tie)
Stanford University (CA) (tie)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

That's it folks - those are the ONLY schools that are so elite they NEVER require explanation.

Of course Penn's Wharton School and Cornell's Hotel school are elite - but that's the point you have to specify the particular program. The other Top 25 schools are terrific, but there are NOT in the same class.


I liked how you snuck Columbia in there.


The Columbia booster never quits.
Anonymous
Post 11/16/2021 01:18     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Cornell
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2021 23:48     Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
PP, you are responding to a post from 2018 in a thread from 2017.


Well done.