Anonymous
06/23/2017 09:48
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Anonymous wrote:remember folks -- this is where students have decided to go. Not where they were admitted (presumably most were admitted to more than one school). So the Ivy admit numbers will be higher than the enrolled numbers. Know what you are looking at before you comment.
Yup. Here's the Class of 2016 Acceptamces data. However, only schools with 10 or more students were accepted are included. Naviance fills in the test of the blanks.
https://fcps.tjhsst.edu/coursemgmt/media/300/resource/TJ%20Profile%202016-17%20online.pdf
Anonymous
06/23/2017 09:01
Subject: Re:TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Anonymous wrote:For the posters who just cannot understand why a magnet program with high achieving kids is sending fewer than expected students to top 20 schools, I suggest you look at these threads for a couple of potential explanations:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/646771.page
(Middle class families are you willing to take on a ton of debt for a top college)
and
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/649226.page
(No benefit for attending a top ranked high school)
Not a TJ parent but I have been reading this thread with interest as my kid attends a similar program in MCPS at Montgomery Blair High School. It is not comparable to TJ as TJ only has magnet kids. Blair is a regular high school but they admit 100 kids a year into their Science magnet. Blair magnet has similar stats to TJ. (I am only posting these to make the point that they are similar not to get into a pissing contest with TJ parents so please, please don't go there!)
eg: Blair magnet Class of 2017 had 41% NMSF and average SAT was 2253/2400
blair does not publish its college acceptance information but I do remember seeing a list of college destinations when attending an information meeting and all the top colleges were there but the administrator also told us that around a third of the kids choose to attend UMD because it is affordable and because there are fantastic scientific research opportunities there. Our kid is likely to be one of these kids. FWIW I know a kid who got into Brown but chose to attend UMD even though the family could afford Brown. The calculus is different when you are in a science magnet - you are thinking about grad school and about research opportunities etc. This is on top of the normal constraints many UMC families in the financial aid donut hole face.
My kid is looking at colleges right now and he keeps saying College X sounds fantastic but I don't know if it is $50K a year more fantastic. Add to that, only 4/5 on average of students graduate in 4 years at even the best colleges, you are looking at a price difference of between $200K - $250K
This makes sense
Anonymous
06/22/2017 17:59
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
remember folks -- this is where students have decided to go. Not where they were admitted (presumably most were admitted to more than one school). So the Ivy admit numbers will be higher than the enrolled numbers. Know what you are looking at before you comment.
Anonymous
06/22/2017 15:45
Subject: Re:TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
For the posters who just cannot understand why a magnet program with high achieving kids is sending fewer than expected students to top 20 schools, I suggest you look at these threads for a couple of potential explanations:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/646771.page
(Middle class families are you willing to take on a ton of debt for a top college)
and
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/649226.page
(No benefit for attending a top ranked high school)
Not a TJ parent but I have been reading this thread with interest as my kid attends a similar program in MCPS at Montgomery Blair High School. It is not comparable to TJ as TJ only has magnet kids. Blair is a regular high school but they admit 100 kids a year into their Science magnet. Blair magnet has similar stats to TJ. (I am only posting these to make the point that they are similar not to get into a pissing contest with TJ parents so please, please don't go there!)
eg: Blair magnet Class of 2017 had 41% NMSF and average SAT was 2253/2400
blair does not publish its college acceptance information but I do remember seeing a list of college destinations when attending an information meeting and all the top colleges were there but the administrator also told us that around a third of the kids choose to attend UMD because it is affordable and because there are fantastic scientific research opportunities there. Our kid is likely to be one of these kids. FWIW I know a kid who got into Brown but chose to attend UMD even though the family could afford Brown. The calculus is different when you are in a science magnet - you are thinking about grad school and about research opportunities etc. This is on top of the normal constraints many UMC families in the financial aid donut hole face.
My kid is looking at colleges right now and he keeps saying College X sounds fantastic but I don't know if it is $50K a year more fantastic. Add to that, only 4/5 on average of students graduate in 4 years at even the best colleges, you are looking at a price difference of between $200K - $250K
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/646771.page
(Middle class families are you willing to take on a ton of debt for a top college)
and
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/649226.page
(No benefit for attending a top ranked high school)
Not a TJ parent but I have been reading this thread with interest as my kid attends a similar program in MCPS at Montgomery Blair High School. It is not comparable to TJ as TJ only has magnet kids. Blair is a regular high school but they admit 100 kids a year into their Science magnet. Blair magnet has similar stats to TJ. (I am only posting these to make the point that they are similar not to get into a pissing contest with TJ parents so please, please don't go there!)
eg: Blair magnet Class of 2017 had 41% NMSF and average SAT was 2253/2400
blair does not publish its college acceptance information but I do remember seeing a list of college destinations when attending an information meeting and all the top colleges were there but the administrator also told us that around a third of the kids choose to attend UMD because it is affordable and because there are fantastic scientific research opportunities there. Our kid is likely to be one of these kids. FWIW I know a kid who got into Brown but chose to attend UMD even though the family could afford Brown. The calculus is different when you are in a science magnet - you are thinking about grad school and about research opportunities etc. This is on top of the normal constraints many UMC families in the financial aid donut hole face.
My kid is looking at colleges right now and he keeps saying College X sounds fantastic but I don't know if it is $50K a year more fantastic. Add to that, only 4/5 on average of students graduate in 4 years at even the best colleges, you are looking at a price difference of between $200K - $250K
Anonymous
06/22/2017 12:06
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Looks similar to the data from my public HS in the Midwest. I'm not that impressed.
IMSA
https://www.imsa.edu/sites/default/files/upload/1697-15_imsa_cac_2015_profile_brochure_4pg_r7_final.pdf
Anonymous
06/22/2017 11:55
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
MIT does not take legacies into account. Even athletes have to meet the academic standards. Ivies and Stanford - do give higher admissions to legacies, $$$$ and athletes - the high admissions rates of prep private schools are due to these 3 factors. And I speak from experience.
Anonymous
06/21/2017 22:27
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!
My public school in the middle of New York with all middle class kids, pulling only from a town of 27,000, sent four kids to Harvard my graduating year - fact. Get over yourselves.
Did they send on average 10-15 kids to MIT, 8-12 kids to Stanford, 10-14 to Duke, 6-11 to Berkeley, 15-20 to Michigan, 12-19 to Cornell, 10-18 to Princeton, 6-9 to Yale per year etc. etc. based on the admissions record of the past 10 years?
beat me to it. TJ grads more likely to go to MIT than places like Harvard. Eight this year was a low number compared to previous years.
Not to say that un-named public school in the middle of New York or IMSA in Illinois are not very fine schools.
I am sorry, where are you getting these numbers? Brain drain an entire state and this is all you have to show for it. Count me in the unimpressed column.
2% of FCPS grads are from TJ. In one of the most highly educated counties in the country. You need to make up your mind as to why you hate TJ. Either it brain drains the whole state. Or TJ kids who are not as genuinely smart and creative as base school kids and are nothing special. But, you can't have it both ways.
You are missing the point. If a single school skims almost half of the Presidential Scholars for an entire state, then one would expect a more impressive list. It isn't about hating or loving the school. It is a question of whether or not the overall setup creates too much undifferentiated "likeness", which cannibalizes individual candidates.
Anonymous
06/21/2017 21:37
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Anonymous wrote:2016= 7 Stanford, 2017 = 5. Not a huge difference and rumor is a couple students chose another school over Stanford (which can be confirmed when the admissions info is in Naviance).
Brown 3 and 3.
Harvard 6 down to 4.
Penn 7 to 6.
But Cornell 8 up to 13.
In other words- minor changes.
Also seems like a smaller class this year .... like about 420 versus 450?
How bout Yale Dartmouth Columbia? Total number to Ivies and HYP is down a lot.
Anonymous
06/21/2017 21:33
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
2016= 7 Stanford, 2017 = 5. Not a huge difference and rumor is a couple students chose another school over Stanford (which can be confirmed when the admissions info is in Naviance).
Brown 3 and 3.
Harvard 6 down to 4.
Penn 7 to 6.
But Cornell 8 up to 13.
In other words- minor changes.
Also seems like a smaller class this year .... like about 420 versus 450?
Brown 3 and 3.
Harvard 6 down to 4.
Penn 7 to 6.
But Cornell 8 up to 13.
In other words- minor changes.
Also seems like a smaller class this year .... like about 420 versus 450?
Anonymous
06/21/2017 12:13
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!
My public school in the middle of New York with all middle class kids, pulling only from a town of 27,000, sent four kids to Harvard my graduating year - fact. Get over yourselves.
Did they send on average 10-15 kids to MIT, 8-12 kids to Stanford, 10-14 to Duke, 6-11 to Berkeley, 15-20 to Michigan, 12-19 to Cornell, 10-18 to Princeton, 6-9 to Yale per year etc. etc. based on the admissions record of the past 10 years?
Wow, comparing your numbers with this years there's been a big drop.
Ivies, UVA, Stanford all big drops from last year.
Anonymous
06/21/2017 12:09
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!
My public school in the middle of New York with all middle class kids, pulling only from a town of 27,000, sent four kids to Harvard my graduating year - fact. Get over yourselves.
Did they send on average 10-15 kids to MIT, 8-12 kids to Stanford, 10-14 to Duke, 6-11 to Berkeley, 15-20 to Michigan, 12-19 to Cornell, 10-18 to Princeton, 6-9 to Yale per year etc. etc. based on the admissions record of the past 10 years?
Wow, comparing your numbers with this years there's been a big drop.
Anonymous
06/21/2017 11:30
Subject: Re:TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Factoring in the fact that college application numbers have jumped dramatically to the top colleges over the last 10 years, TJ's college destination list for 2017 is pretty impressive. It is difficult to compare stats of classes that graduated even a few years ago. In general, high school seniors who may have gotten into top schools or even UVA and VaTech a few years ago, may have a hard time getting in today. My alma mater Duke received 34,300 applications this year compared to 32,100 last year.
http://college.usatoday.com/2017/04/05/the-class-of-2021-is-shattering-ivy-league-admissions-records/
http://college.usatoday.com/2017/04/05/the-class-of-2021-is-shattering-ivy-league-admissions-records/
Anonymous
06/20/2017 23:45
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!
My public school in the middle of New York with all middle class kids, pulling only from a town of 27,000, sent four kids to Harvard my graduating year - fact. Get over yourselves.
Did they send on average 10-15 kids to MIT, 8-12 kids to Stanford, 10-14 to Duke, 6-11 to Berkeley, 15-20 to Michigan, 12-19 to Cornell, 10-18 to Princeton, 6-9 to Yale per year etc. etc. based on the admissions record of the past 10 years?
beat me to it. TJ grads more likely to go to MIT than places like Harvard. Eight this year was a low number compared to previous years.
Not to say that un-named public school in the middle of New York or IMSA in Illinois are not very fine schools.
I am sorry, where are you getting these numbers? Brain drain an entire state and this is all you have to show for it. Count me in the unimpressed column.
2% of FCPS grads are from TJ. In one of the most highly educated counties in the country. You need to make up your mind as to why you hate TJ. Either it brain drains the whole state. Or TJ kids who are not as genuinely smart and creative as base school kids and are nothing special. But, you can't have it both ways.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 18:37
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!
My public school in the middle of New York with all middle class kids, pulling only from a town of 27,000, sent four kids to Harvard my graduating year - fact. Get over yourselves.
Did they send on average 10-15 kids to MIT, 8-12 kids to Stanford, 10-14 to Duke, 6-11 to Berkeley, 15-20 to Michigan, 12-19 to Cornell, 10-18 to Princeton, 6-9 to Yale per year etc. etc. based on the admissions record of the past 10 years?
beat me to it. TJ grads more likely to go to MIT than places like Harvard. Eight this year was a low number compared to previous years.
Not to say that un-named public school in the middle of New York or IMSA in Illinois are not very fine schools.
I am sorry, where are you getting these numbers? Brain drain an entire state and this is all you have to show for it. Count me in the unimpressed column.
Anonymous
06/20/2017 18:09
Subject: TJ Class of 2017 College Destination List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ grads have the best college placements in the country despite 71% of the graduates facing racial discrimination in college admissions and without legacy preferences!
My public school in the middle of New York with all middle class kids, pulling only from a town of 27,000, sent four kids to Harvard my graduating year - fact. Get over yourselves.
Did they send on average 10-15 kids to MIT, 8-12 kids to Stanford, 10-14 to Duke, 6-11 to Berkeley, 15-20 to Michigan, 12-19 to Cornell, 10-18 to Princeton, 6-9 to Yale per year etc. etc. based on the admissions record of the past 10 years?
beat me to it. TJ grads more likely to go to MIT than places like Harvard. Eight this year was a low number compared to previous years.
Not to say that un-named public school in the middle of New York or IMSA in Illinois are not very fine schools.