Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 08:24     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You realize the word racist is practically meaningless at this point, right? It's been used so freely as a means to guilt and label and shut down honest discussion that it's worthless.


I agree, and I think that's unfortunate because it robs the accusation of the power it needs to confront true evil racism.


again please educate yourself about the meaning of racial discrimination and unconscious bias. Racism does not mean white hoods. It means historical, institutional poverty and lack of access to resources, which is very much compounded in a tiny, gentrifying city like DC with massive racial disparities. Most liberal white folks live in a white bubble and don't have to contfront it, but in DC schools become an unavoidable crucible. Hence you see "liberal" white people literally freaking the f out at the idea that their elementary school could be integrated with a black school (true story, happened just this year on the Hill.)



Totally agree!!!
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 08:22     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You realize the word racist is practically meaningless at this point, right? It's been used so freely as a means to guilt and label and shut down honest discussion that it's worthless.


I agree, and I think that's unfortunate because it robs the accusation of the power it needs to confront true evil racism.


again please educate yourself about the meaning of racial discrimination and unconscious bias. Racism does not mean white hoods. It means historical, institutional poverty and lack of access to resources, which is very much compounded in a tiny, gentrifying city like DC with massive racial disparities. Most liberal white folks live in a white bubble and don't have to contfront it, but in DC schools become an unavoidable crucible. Hence you see "liberal" white people literally freaking the f out at the idea that their elementary school could be integrated with a black school (true story, happened just this year on the Hill.)


There is truth to this view of society in the United States, but with respect to the issue we're discussing, "the resource" you feel is segregated is very highly educated parents. This resource is not owned wholly by white people, but tends to be white considering the makeup of our city. Indeed, I'd hazard a guess that most if not all very highly educated black parents are not sending their kids to 80% below grade level DCPS schools, either. This reality negates (almost) completely the charges of racism that are thrown out so casually on this board, but this will not change considering that aggrieved people tend to have a lot of difficulty releasing their anger even in situations where the grievance does not fit. And further, because this is true, politicians and other appointed authorities who might be able to make changes in DCPS policy have an extra difficult time doing it.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 08:14     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Anonymous wrote:I'm tired of trying to engage in these race-focused arguments without any sort of end. At the end of the day I will make school choices that I decide are best for my child, not society. Dozens of variables come into play, including the demographic make-up of a student body. That's just how it is.


sorry you don't get a pass. "best for my child" can reflect racism. why do you think white parents in the south resisted integration? they mostly weren't out lynching black people, but they absolutely did think segregation was the "best for my child."
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 08:07     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You realize the word racist is practically meaningless at this point, right? It's been used so freely as a means to guilt and label and shut down honest discussion that it's worthless.


I agree, and I think that's unfortunate because it robs the accusation of the power it needs to confront true evil racism.


again please educate yourself about the meaning of racial discrimination and unconscious bias. Racism does not mean white hoods. It means historical, institutional poverty and lack of access to resources, which is very much compounded in a tiny, gentrifying city like DC with massive racial disparities. Most liberal white folks live in a white bubble and don't have to contfront it, but in DC schools become an unavoidable crucible. Hence you see "liberal" white people literally freaking the f out at the idea that their elementary school could be integrated with a black school (true story, happened just this year on the Hill.)
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 07:30     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Anonymous wrote:You realize the word racist is practically meaningless at this point, right? It's been used so freely as a means to guilt and label and shut down honest discussion that it's worthless.


I agree, and I think that's unfortunate because it robs the accusation of the power it needs to confront true evil racism.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 07:10     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
You realize the word racist is practically meaningless at this point, right? It's been used so freely as a means to guilt and label and shut down honest discussion that it's worthless.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 07:07     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Yep. So?
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 07:06     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Seems to me like almost all parents, black white Hispanic Asian, want their children in schools with strong test scores and motivated peers. On the flip side, almost all parents try to avoid schools with low test scores. As a result, many parents try to get their kids into Deal and Wilson feeder schools even if they aren't zoned for those schools. Are they doing that to chase higher test scores, or is it secretly to avoid majority black schools? In DC, it is hard to tell because most of the majority black schools have lower test scores. And if the white parents are applying OOB to avoid their majority black neighborhood schools, then aren't the black parents applying OOB from those same neighborhoods just as guilty of avoiding majority black schools? The black parents who make that choice are just as likely to be motivated by race prejudice against black students as the white parents.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 06:59     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Anonymous wrote:I'm tired of trying to engage in these race-focused arguments without any sort of end. At the end of the day I will make school choices that I decide are best for my child, not society. Dozens of variables come into play, including the demographic make-up of a student body. That's just how it is.


that's racist are you a democrat.... lolz typical dcum liberal
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 06:43     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
I'm tired of trying to engage in these race-focused arguments without any sort of end. At the end of the day I will make school choices that I decide are best for my child, not society. Dozens of variables come into play, including the demographic make-up of a student body. That's just how it is.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 06:28     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
not playing your stupid games. just move to Virginia and self-segregate already.


LOLOLOL, Northern Virginia schools are far more diverse than any school in DC.


yeah as a whole but not at the individual school level

plenty of self segregation going on. And before you call it SES preference I call bs because white people don't want to be around too many asians either
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 06:11     Subject: Re:Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yeah white people don't want to go to Banneker because its too black

Most black folks don't want to send their kids to schools where they are the only black people either plenty of threads where black people have said this

Noone likes being the token minority

I'm curious what the tipping point is for folks 10% 25% etc

Interesting what it is for neighborhoods as well



My kids went to a middle school that was under 15% white (not DC). Here is the catch. The school, as profiled by niche, greatschool, etc is the neighborhood school, so all statistics are from the neighborhood school. In addition to the neighborhood school, the school had advanced/enriched studies school on the same campus that was very popular with the local white community (80% white). If you just look at greatschool, you will never find out about it, only word of mouth. If you look at school website, it's not easy to find. No lottery, no tests, just have to live in the neighborhood and actually express the desire to be in the advanced program (once in, there were requirements and kids can get kicked out to the neighborhood school (same campus, different classes). ). I found out years later that the reason for separation of the advanced studies was purely financial: state gave more money to schools with the high minority enrollment, which they preserved by separating "schools" instead of the programs within the school.

assuming yo

Yup you just made the magnet model school within a school argument (Side note I don't count that as actual diversity because the kids are separated out and don't interact). Would you have still sent your kid to the school if the "advanced/enriched" section was just 15% white assuming you are white might not be true
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 01:05     Subject: Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Anonymous wrote:
not playing your stupid games. just move to Virginia and self-segregate already.


LOLOLOL, Northern Virginia schools are far more diverse than any school in DC.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2017 00:51     Subject: Re:Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Anonymous wrote:Yeah white people don't want to go to Banneker because its too black

Most black folks don't want to send their kids to schools where they are the only black people either plenty of threads where black people have said this

Noone likes being the token minority

I'm curious what the tipping point is for folks 10% 25% etc

Interesting what it is for neighborhoods as well



My kids went to a middle school that was under 15% white (not DC). Here is the catch. The school, as profiled by niche, greatschool, etc is the neighborhood school, so all statistics are from the neighborhood school. In addition to the neighborhood school, the school had advanced/enriched studies school on the same campus that was very popular with the local white community (80% white). If you just look at greatschool, you will never find out about it, only word of mouth. If you look at school website, it's not easy to find. No lottery, no tests, just have to live in the neighborhood and actually express the desire to be in the advanced program (once in, there were requirements and kids can get kicked out to the neighborhood school (same campus, different classes). ). I found out years later that the reason for separation of the advanced studies was purely financial: state gave more money to schools with the high minority enrollment, which they preserved by separating "schools" instead of the programs within the school.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 22:41     Subject: Re:Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?
Yeah white people don't want to go to Banneker because its too black

Most black folks don't want to send their kids to schools where they are the only black people either plenty of threads where black people have said this

Noone likes being the token minority

I'm curious what the tipping point is for folks 10% 25% etc

Interesting what it is for neighborhoods as well