Anonymous
11/21/2016 11:41
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Your white privilege is showing OP. Whites came to the US and raped tha land from Native Americans. And, we built the country by black slaves
You think black people were the only ones that did physical work? That is stupid. From 1620-40 about 80% of English immigrants were indentured servants. Germans were in PA and NY. Dutch in NYC. swedes in DE. http://lynnheidelberg.org/beginnewlife.html
Anonymous
11/21/2016 11:24
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you sneak across our border, you are illegal.
If you overstay your visa, you are illegal.
What part of this do WaPo, CASA, RAZA and illegal apologists not understand?
Being sympathetic to the plight of others is noble. But the US has only limited resources and charity begins at home. We have poor, uneducated inner city blacks, unemployed Appalachian whites and American Indians with desperate health and social needs. Yet, illegals cross our borders and suck up those resources before the American needy get them. Illegals even get faster medical care than veterans.
This is wrong!
And we need to get our priorities in order.
Actually, I think my priorities are in the right order.
I agree that we need to get a better handle on illegal immigration, but building an expensive wall and breaking up families is not the way to do it. I'm a teacher so I work with many undocumented families - some who've been here for a decade or longer. It is really difficult to fix your status once you've overstayed a visa (and overstays count for 40% of undocumented immigrants.) They would be required to travel back to their home country and then apply to come back, which can take anywhere from six months to several years. For example, I have one parent who was brought here as a kid, has been married to a citizen for eight years, has two children and another one on the way. What would you suggest? She is currently working here legally under DACA. Send her back because her parents brought her here when she was 8, break up her family? Send her back pregnant without prenatal care?
If that person has been married to a citizen for eights years, she has nothing to worry about it, and you know it. Marriage to the US citizen wipes all sins.
Anonymous
11/21/2016 11:16
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because if I had to raise my kids in a town controlled by cartels and have them witness unspeakable violence or end up joining the cartels for protection, I can't say I too wouldn't strap my shit on my back and try to come over here to bust my ass and give my kids a good safe life. THAT is why I refuse to demonize illegal immigrants.
Are there no decent places within their country of origin? Mexico City seems nice to me - in fact preferable to many places in the U.S. I am asking sincerely.
Not PP... I think the US economy is a lot better off in terms of the availability of low skilled jobs.
Like others have stated, if businesses didn't hire illegal immigrants, they'd stop coming here. So really, it's the fault of the people who hire them. I can't blame people for wanting a better life for themselves, and their children.
The US, for all its faults, is also less corrupt than most of the countries south of the border.
I don't dispute that the US is overall better. My point is that there are other options eveN for those in danger which is a minority. I know quite a few immigrants (I am one also) and none of them *had* to be here like their life depending on it or something. All would survive and lived decent lives in their home countries.
I'm an immigrant (yes, legal), too, from a war torn country. My family escaped the kind of poverty that most people in this country will never now. I don't know what all of the illegal immigrants' lives were like in their home country, but I figure it was quite desperate in order for them to risk life/limb to illegally cross the border.
That crossing is dangerous. Many die in the hopes of reaching this country. I figure if they are willing to sacrifice their lives for a better life than their lives at home must've quite desperate indeed.
Anonymous
11/21/2016 11:09
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because if I had to raise my kids in a town controlled by cartels and have them witness unspeakable violence or end up joining the cartels for protection, I can't say I too wouldn't strap my shit on my back and try to come over here to bust my ass and give my kids a good safe life. THAT is why I refuse to demonize illegal immigrants.
Are there no decent places within their country of origin? Mexico City seems nice to me - in fact preferable to many places in the U.S. I am asking sincerely.
Not PP... I think the US economy is a lot better off in terms of the availability of low skilled jobs.
Like others have stated, if businesses didn't hire illegal immigrants, they'd stop coming here. So really, it's the fault of the people who hire them. I can't blame people for wanting a better life for themselves, and their children.
The US, for all its faults, is also less corrupt than most of the countries south of the border.
I don't dispute that the US is overall better. My point is that there are other options eveN for those in danger which is a minority. I know quite a few immigrants (I am one also) and none of them *had* to be here like their life depending on it or something. All would survive and lived decent lives in their home countries.
Anonymous
11/21/2016 10:42
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Your white privilege is showing OP. Whites came to the US and raped tha land from Native Americans. And, we built the country by black slaves
My family didn't come here until the early 20th century, so we didn't rape the land or have anything to do with slaves. Sorry to disappoint you.
Anonymous
11/21/2016 10:39
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Your white privilege is showing OP. Whites came to the US and raped tha land from Native Americans. And, we built the country by black slaves
Anonymous
11/21/2016 10:38
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because if I had to raise my kids in a town controlled by cartels and have them witness unspeakable violence or end up joining the cartels for protection, I can't say I too wouldn't strap my shit on my back and try to come over here to bust my ass and give my kids a good safe life. THAT is why I refuse to demonize illegal immigrants.
Are there no decent places within their country of origin? Mexico City seems nice to me - in fact preferable to many places in the U.S. I am asking sincerely.
Not PP... I think the US economy is a lot better off in terms of the availability of low skilled jobs.
Like others have stated, if businesses didn't hire illegal immigrants, they'd stop coming here. So really, it's the fault of the people who hire them. I can't blame people for wanting a better life for themselves, and their children.
The US, for all its faults, is also less corrupt than most of the countries south of the border.
Anonymous
11/21/2016 10:33
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Vast majority of illegal immigrants work 5x harder than the average native born American.
Most likely true but that doesn't change the fact that they violated the law to enter. I can go to Japan and work my ass off but that doesn't change the fact that I broke Japanese laws and that the Japanese government can remove me.
Because they are fleeing horrible situations and want a better life for their children. Americans do not know what it is to have no hope.
Likewise the American appetite for drugs has ruined other countries. I welcome immigrants and I don't get too worked up concerning paperwork because just like Trump supporters the immigrants who are here without the proper paperwork have been forgotten by the elites. I am surprised Trump supporters don't have more empathy.
I bet you that at least 80% of them are here because they want to make money. I am an immigrant myself and I know a few immigrants. Nobody needed to be here, really. But natives I speak to here almost always assume that my life in my country was horrible and that I must feel so lucky to be in the U.S. It's very annoying and patronizing. And oh, I didn't come here to seek "better life for my children" and "do the jobs Americans won't do".
Anonymous
11/21/2016 10:28
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Because if I had to raise my kids in a town controlled by cartels and have them witness unspeakable violence or end up joining the cartels for protection, I can't say I too wouldn't strap my shit on my back and try to come over here to bust my ass and give my kids a good safe life. THAT is why I refuse to demonize illegal immigrants.
Are there no decent places within their country of origin? Mexico City seems nice to me - in fact preferable to many places in the U.S. I am asking sincerely.
Anonymous
11/21/2016 10:25
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another serious question, why don't these people become legal citizens?
Or learn English. For the love of god, learn English!!! Assimilate already.
I was at the DMV in Arlington renew my license. There were so many people wandering around asking questions in Spanish, eyes really big and wide like "oooh please help me, kind people." I think they expected us to be paying for a translator for them! LOL. One old white man helped translate...was surprised he was the only one willing to help.
Or maybe he was the only one who spoke Spanish!! This is America.....it's not like everyone is bilingual.
Please, illegal alien kids get FREE school and English to become bilingual. Money that could be spent teaching legal children another language which all other countries do. Not us. Lets keep funding ESOL instead and giving illegal aliens two languages. Try to find any other country who not only allows illegal aliens to go to school for free but spends billions in legal citizen's taxes to feed and teach them to become billingual for free.
How about free health care? My daughter needed to see a specialist at Children's. The best I could do was get her in to see a nurse practitioner because the doctor appointments were booked for months. I get there and we are literally the only English speaking family in the waiting room. We receive no subsidies and are paying out-of-pocket more than $20,000 a year for health insurance and I can't get my kid into a specialist but all of the immigrants have appointments with the actual doctors and better coverage than us.
You are the definition of a racist. You do not know anything about these families. You have NO way of knowing these families' immigration status, which doctor they are seeing, how long ago they booked the appointment, or what they pay for their health insurance or healthcare.
Please, everyone knows that illegal immigrants are a drain on the health care system. It's not like it is a big secret or something.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-21-immigrant-healthcare_N.htm
And yet you are still a racist! You can't see it's wrong to make blanket assumptions about an entire race of people?
Nope. You probably pay $25 co-pay for an office visit. Get back to me when you have to pay $150-250 for the very same visit and that's after paying $1000 per month premium. Let's see how open-minded you are when you realize that you are subsidizing everyone else and their five kids.
Wrong. We are on a high deductible plan and have been for years. And saying "nope" doesn't make you less of a racist.
Anonymous
11/21/2016 10:22
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another serious question, why don't these people become legal citizens?
Or learn English. For the love of god, learn English!!! Assimilate already.
I was at the DMV in Arlington renew my license. There were so many people wandering around asking questions in Spanish, eyes really big and wide like "oooh please help me, kind people." I think they expected us to be paying for a translator for them! LOL. One old white man helped translate...was surprised he was the only one willing to help.
Or maybe he was the only one who spoke Spanish!! This is America.....it's not like everyone is bilingual.
Please, illegal alien kids get FREE school and English to become bilingual. Money that could be spent teaching legal children another language which all other countries do. Not us. Lets keep funding ESOL instead and giving illegal aliens two languages. Try to find any other country who not only allows illegal aliens to go to school for free but spends billions in legal citizen's taxes to feed and teach them to become billingual for free.
How about free health care? My daughter needed to see a specialist at Children's. The best I could do was get her in to see a nurse practitioner because the doctor appointments were booked for months. I get there and we are literally the only English speaking family in the waiting room. We receive no subsidies and are paying out-of-pocket more than $20,000 a year for health insurance and I can't get my kid into a specialist but all of the immigrants have appointments with the actual doctors and better coverage than us.
You are the definition of a racist. You do not know anything about these families. You have NO way of knowing these families' immigration status, which doctor they are seeing, how long ago they booked the appointment, or what they pay for their health insurance or healthcare.
Please, everyone knows that illegal immigrants are a drain on the health care system. It's not like it is a big secret or something.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-21-immigrant-healthcare_N.htm
And yet you are still a racist! You can't see it's wrong to make blanket assumptions about an entire race of people?
Nope. You probably pay $25 co-pay for an office visit. Get back to me when you have to pay $150-250 for the very same visit and that's after paying $1000 per month premium. Let's see how open-minded you are when you realize that you are subsidizing everyone else and their five kids.
Anonymous
11/21/2016 10:07
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another serious question, why don't these people become legal citizens?
Or learn English. For the love of god, learn English!!! Assimilate already.
I was at the DMV in Arlington renew my license. There were so many people wandering around asking questions in Spanish, eyes really big and wide like "oooh please help me, kind people." I think they expected us to be paying for a translator for them! LOL. One old white man helped translate...was surprised he was the only one willing to help.
Or maybe he was the only one who spoke Spanish!! This is America.....it's not like everyone is bilingual.
Please, illegal alien kids get FREE school and English to become bilingual. Money that could be spent teaching legal children another language which all other countries do. Not us. Lets keep funding ESOL instead and giving illegal aliens two languages. Try to find any other country who not only allows illegal aliens to go to school for free but spends billions in legal citizen's taxes to feed and teach them to become billingual for free.
How about free health care? My daughter needed to see a specialist at Children's. The best I could do was get her in to see a nurse practitioner because the doctor appointments were booked for months. I get there and we are literally the only English speaking family in the waiting room. We receive no subsidies and are paying out-of-pocket more than $20,000 a year for health insurance and I can't get my kid into a specialist but all of the immigrants have appointments with the actual doctors and better coverage than us.
You are the definition of a racist. You do not know anything about these families. You have NO way of knowing these families' immigration status, which doctor they are seeing, how long ago they booked the appointment, or what they pay for their health insurance or healthcare.
Please, everyone knows that illegal immigrants are a drain on the health care system. It's not like it is a big secret or something.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-21-immigrant-healthcare_N.htm
And yet you are still a racist! You can't see it's wrong to make blanket assumptions about an entire race of people?
Anonymous
11/21/2016 09:57
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another serious question, why don't these people become legal citizens?
Or learn English. For the love of god, learn English!!! Assimilate already.
I was at the DMV in Arlington renew my license. There were so many people wandering around asking questions in Spanish, eyes really big and wide like "oooh please help me, kind people." I think they expected us to be paying for a translator for them! LOL. One old white man helped translate...was surprised he was the only one willing to help.
Or maybe he was the only one who spoke Spanish!! This is America.....it's not like everyone is bilingual.
Please, illegal alien kids get FREE school and English to become bilingual. Money that could be spent teaching legal children another language which all other countries do. Not us. Lets keep funding ESOL instead and giving illegal aliens two languages. Try to find any other country who not only allows illegal aliens to go to school for free but spends billions in legal citizen's taxes to feed and teach them to become billingual for free.
How about free health care? My daughter needed to see a specialist at Children's. The best I could do was get her in to see a nurse practitioner because the doctor appointments were booked for months. I get there and we are literally the only English speaking family in the waiting room. We receive no subsidies and are paying out-of-pocket more than $20,000 a year for health insurance and I can't get my kid into a specialist but all of the immigrants have appointments with the actual doctors and better coverage than us.
You are the definition of a racist. You do not know anything about these families. You have NO way of knowing these families' immigration status, which doctor they are seeing, how long ago they booked the appointment, or what they pay for their health insurance or healthcare.
Please, everyone knows that illegal immigrants are a drain on the health care system. It's not like it is a big secret or something.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-21-immigrant-healthcare_N.htm
Anonymous
11/21/2016 09:51
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another serious question, why don't these people become legal citizens?
Or learn English. For the love of god, learn English!!! Assimilate already.
I was at the DMV in Arlington renew my license. There were so many people wandering around asking questions in Spanish, eyes really big and wide like "oooh please help me, kind people." I think they expected us to be paying for a translator for them! LOL. One old white man helped translate...was surprised he was the only one willing to help.
Or maybe he was the only one who spoke Spanish!! This is America.....it's not like everyone is bilingual.
Please, illegal alien kids get FREE school and English to become bilingual. Money that could be spent teaching legal children another language which all other countries do. Not us. Lets keep funding ESOL instead and giving illegal aliens two languages. Try to find any other country who not only allows illegal aliens to go to school for free but spends billions in legal citizen's taxes to feed and teach them to become billingual for free.
How about free health care? My daughter needed to see a specialist at Children's. The best I could do was get her in to see a nurse practitioner because the doctor appointments were booked for months. I get there and we are literally the only English speaking family in the waiting room. We receive no subsidies and are paying out-of-pocket more than $20,000 a year for health insurance and I can't get my kid into a specialist but all of the immigrants have appointments with the actual doctors and better coverage than us.
That is EXACTLY what happened to me. I needed care, and I had to wait five weeks until I could get in. When I finally arrived in the waiting room, I was the only English-speaking person there - realizing I lost valuable time in getting to a doctor because, despite my inflated premiums to subsidize those getting free care, foreign-born people getting that free care were getting served first.
OMG, you people are ridiculous. Maybe those people made appointments to see the doctor before you did.
My kid had to go see a pediatrician urgently. We ended up seeing a nurse practitioner, in a very wealthy area where everyone spoke English. Same thing happened to me. I've had to see a NP instead of a Dr. for the past two visits. Everyone there spoke English. It's called "too many patients with not enough doctors" and has nothing to do with illegal immigrants.
And yes, my private insurance premiums are expensive, as they were prior to ACA.
Anonymous
11/21/2016 09:46
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another serious question, why don't these people become legal citizens?
Or learn English. For the love of god, learn English!!! Assimilate already.
I was at the DMV in Arlington renew my license. There were so many people wandering around asking questions in Spanish, eyes really big and wide like "oooh please help me, kind people." I think they expected us to be paying for a translator for them! LOL. One old white man helped translate...was surprised he was the only one willing to help.
Or maybe he was the only one who spoke Spanish!! This is America.....it's not like everyone is bilingual.
Please, illegal alien kids get FREE school and English to become bilingual. Money that could be spent teaching legal children another language which all other countries do. Not us. Lets keep funding ESOL instead and giving illegal aliens two languages. Try to find any other country who not only allows illegal aliens to go to school for free but spends billions in legal citizen's taxes to feed and teach them to become billingual for free.
How about free health care? My daughter needed to see a specialist at Children's. The best I could do was get her in to see a nurse practitioner because the doctor appointments were booked for months. I get there and we are literally the only English speaking family in the waiting room. We receive no subsidies and are paying out-of-pocket more than $20,000 a year for health insurance and I can't get my kid into a specialist but all of the immigrants have appointments with the actual doctors and better coverage than us.
You are the definition of a racist. You do not know anything about these families. You have NO way of knowing these families' immigration status, which doctor they are seeing, how long ago they booked the appointment, or what they pay for their health insurance or healthcare.