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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

He stepped over the line by making them naked. Why not put a tank top on them or something?

I actually think it kind of adds to the metaphor. It all just seems super vulnerable. And the idea that when it all goes away these people are real people, real bodies, real humans and society's obsession with them is actually kind of creepy. Like someone filming them sleeping naked.

But agree to disagree, art speaks differently to everyone!

If he wants to put his own d*ck out there and his wife's bare boobs on display that is his stupid decision to make. But using Taylor's nude image to promote HIMSELF is out of line. He is an ahole. And I really think that Taylor wishes he would just leave her alone.

exactly. he is a creepy harasser. that may or may not be art, but he can't really complain when people call him out for it.

I don't think he has complained about any crap he got for the video.

And it wasn't taylor's ACTUAL nude image, which has never gotten out. It's an interpretation. I really don't understand how you all can't see she brought this on herself with the blatant lies she told the press. If she had come out with, 'we discussed the lyrics but I didn't know he was going to call me a B and I didn't know he was going to make that video and I just ended up feeling wrong about it' then everyone would be sympathetic. But that isn't what she did. And when you lie to the public and get caught well, you reap what you sow.

Taylor owes that guy NOTHING. He called her. He made this song and he made this disgusting video. He is harassing her.

What????? Did you listen to that phone conversation? She is happy he called her! WTF you are delusional lol. He also hasn't asked her for anything! He just isn't taking being blatantly lied about lying down. Go hang out on TS's instagram, I'm sure you'll find a lot of like minded Swobots to commiserate with

Anonymous wrote:But the line that Kanye told Swift in the video isn't the one that is on the final album, sooooooo you still look like a giant d-bag, Kimya.

Swift okaying one version isn't giving complete approval.

(Not a big Swift fan or Kanye fan, FWIT).

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

He stepped over the line by making them naked. Why not put a tank top on them or something?

I actually think it kind of adds to the metaphor. It all just seems super vulnerable. And the idea that when it all goes away these people are real people, real bodies, real humans and society's obsession with them is actually kind of creepy. Like someone filming them sleeping naked.

But agree to disagree, art speaks differently to everyone!

If he wants to put his own d*ck out there and his wife's bare boobs on display that is his stupid decision to make. But using Taylor's nude image to promote HIMSELF is out of line. He is an ahole. And I really think that Taylor wishes he would just leave her alone.

exactly. he is a creepy harasser. that may or may not be art, but he can't really complain when people call him out for it.

I don't think he has complained about any crap he got for the video.

And it wasn't taylor's ACTUAL nude image, which has never gotten out. It's an interpretation. I really don't understand how you all can't see she brought this on herself with the blatant lies she told the press. If she had come out with, 'we discussed the lyrics but I didn't know he was going to call me a B and I didn't know he was going to make that video and I just ended up feeling wrong about it' then everyone would be sympathetic. But that isn't what she did. And when you lie to the public and get caught well, you reap what you sow.

Taylor owes that guy NOTHING. He called her. He made this song and he made this disgusting video. He is harassing her.

What????? Did you listen to that phone conversation? She is happy he called her! WTF you are delusional lol. He also hasn't asked her for anything! He just isn't taking being blatantly lied about lying down. Go hang out on TS's instagram, I'm sure you'll find a lot of like minded Swobots to commiserate with

Anonymous wrote:NP. Team Kimye. White woman.

I am a taylor fan (musically and even personally, I think she's a great model for a successful female for young girls). I am not really a Kanye fan or a KK fan (although I think a lot of people underestimate her business acumen considering the length of time she's kept her brand relevant and how she's translated it into a lot of businesses. Also all you people saying Kanye isn't talented are smoking crack, he might not be my cup of tea but he's a really stellar lyricist.

This is totally her getting caught in a lie. Everyone talking about how they're bad for recording it...wtf, you're only mad because it clearly exposes her lie and makes her look bad. TS screwed up, she should own it and apologize. She used an opportunity to make the world see that she and Kanye had gotten over their fued and then took a calculated risk by throwing him under the bus to get another round of, 'kanye stabbed TS in the back AGAIN' press. And it didn't work. And there are totally racial undertones to this, and IMO she manipulated this to seem like a sexist thing when it clearly was not which is a disservice to women everywhere who experience real sexism.

I don't know if all you defenders are just reading the transcript and not listening? Because she does NOT sound like she's trying to play nice. She sounds like a peer talking to a peer. Sorry TS, Kimye just checkmated you.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

He stepped over the line by making them naked. Why not put a tank top on them or something?

I actually think it kind of adds to the metaphor. It all just seems super vulnerable. And the idea that when it all goes away these people are real people, real bodies, real humans and society's obsession with them is actually kind of creepy. Like someone filming them sleeping naked.

But agree to disagree, art speaks differently to everyone!

If he wants to put his own d*ck out there and his wife's bare boobs on display that is his stupid decision to make. But using Taylor's nude image to promote HIMSELF is out of line. He is an ahole. And I really think that Taylor wishes he would just leave her alone.

exactly. he is a creepy harasser. that may or may not be art, but he can't really complain when people call him out for it.

Anonymous wrote:I really wish I could wake up one morning and poof! Kanye and all the Kardashian/Jenner brood is gone, never to be heard from again. But, then I wake up and see this nonsense. When will they leave Taylor Swift alone?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

He stepped over the line by making them naked. Why not put a tank top on them or something?

I actually think it kind of adds to the metaphor. It all just seems super vulnerable. And the idea that when it all goes away these people are real people, real bodies, real humans and society's obsession with them is actually kind of creepy. Like someone filming them sleeping naked.

But agree to disagree, art speaks differently to everyone!

If he wants to put his own d*ck out there and his wife's bare boobs on display that is his stupid decision to make. But using Taylor's nude image to promote HIMSELF is out of line. He is an ahole. And I really think that Taylor wishes he would just leave her alone.

exactly. he is a creepy harasser. that may or may not be art, but he can't really complain when people call him out for it.

I don't think he has complained about any crap he got for the video.

And it wasn't taylor's ACTUAL nude image, which has never gotten out. It's an interpretation. I really don't understand how you all can't see she brought this on herself with the blatant lies she told the press. If she had come out with, 'we discussed the lyrics but I didn't know he was going to call me a B and I didn't know he was going to make that video and I just ended up feeling wrong about it' then everyone would be sympathetic. But that isn't what she did. And when you lie to the public and get caught well, you reap what you sow.

Taylor owes that guy NOTHING. He called her. He made this song and he made this disgusting video. He is harassing her.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

He stepped over the line by making them naked. Why not put a tank top on them or something?

I actually think it kind of adds to the metaphor. It all just seems super vulnerable. And the idea that when it all goes away these people are real people, real bodies, real humans and society's obsession with them is actually kind of creepy. Like someone filming them sleeping naked.

But agree to disagree, art speaks differently to everyone!

If he wants to put his own d*ck out there and his wife's bare boobs on display that is his stupid decision to make. But using Taylor's nude image to promote HIMSELF is out of line. He is an ahole. And I really think that Taylor wishes he would just leave her alone.

exactly. he is a creepy harasser. that may or may not be art, but he can't really complain when people call him out for it.

I don't think he has complained about any crap he got for the video.

And it wasn't taylor's ACTUAL nude image, which has never gotten out. It's an interpretation. I really don't understand how you all can't see she brought this on herself with the blatant lies she told the press. If she had come out with, 'we discussed the lyrics but I didn't know he was going to call me a B and I didn't know he was going to make that video and I just ended up feeling wrong about it' then everyone would be sympathetic. But that isn't what she did. And when you lie to the public and get caught well, you reap what you sow.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

He stepped over the line by making them naked. Why not put a tank top on them or something?

I actually think it kind of adds to the metaphor. It all just seems super vulnerable. And the idea that when it all goes away these people are real people, real bodies, real humans and society's obsession with them is actually kind of creepy. Like someone filming them sleeping naked.

But agree to disagree, art speaks differently to everyone!

If he wants to put his own d*ck out there and his wife's bare boobs on display that is his stupid decision to make. But using Taylor's nude image to promote HIMSELF is out of line. He is an ahole. And I really think that Taylor wishes he would just leave her alone.

exactly. he is a creepy harasser. that may or may not be art, but he can't really complain when people call him out for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

He stepped over the line by making them naked. Why not put a tank top on them or something?

I actually think it kind of adds to the metaphor. It all just seems super vulnerable. And the idea that when it all goes away these people are real people, real bodies, real humans and society's obsession with them is actually kind of creepy. Like someone filming them sleeping naked.

But agree to disagree, art speaks differently to everyone!

If he wants to put his own d*ck out there and his wife's bare boobs on display that is his stupid decision to make. But using Taylor's nude image to promote HIMSELF is out of line. He is an ahole. And I really think that Taylor wishes he would just leave her alone.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

He stepped over the line by making them naked. Why not put a tank top on them or something?

I actually think it kind of adds to the metaphor. It all just seems super vulnerable. And the idea that when it all goes away these people are real people, real bodies, real humans and society's obsession with them is actually kind of creepy. Like someone filming them sleeping naked.

But agree to disagree, art speaks differently to everyone!

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people are seeing racial overtones to this!!! Are we forgetting that Kanye put a nude silicone doll of Taylor in his video WITHOUT HER CONSENT? How is that ok? Look at all the people (rightfully) freaking out about the model posting a pic of an anonymous nude woman at the gym. How is that so different from what Kanye did to Taylor in his video? That was LOW. He is not the victim here.

He's a joke. A low-class joke, only tolerated because he's black.

Right, he's rich and famous for being black. That aaaand the 21 grammy awards. He is extremely talented. Stop dismissing his work because you don't get it.

Are you defending the fact that he put a naked image of Taylor in his video without her consent?

I found this critique of the video to be pretty even handed: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/6/12053398/kanye-west-famous-art-exploitation

I personally come down on the side of art not exploitation. I think he is using his personal experience to make a commentary on fame and the positioning is explicitly pulled from a famous painting (ie, he didn't choose to show the women more than the men arbitrarily). I also agree with the author's point that art frequently inappropriately objectifies women, but I thought it was really provocative. I also feel like what it speaks to is extremely germane to Taylor Swift. She is someone who has created a huge veneer over herself called 'fame' that is both protective and self serving. I think if you take a moment to really think about that video you realize why Kanye is famous and why so many people think he's so talented. Portraying all those people like they are in a snuff film, like vulnerable humans, when almost all of them have been reduced to caricatures in the public eye is ACTUALLY really thought provoking.

He stepped over the line by making them naked. Why not put a tank top on them or something?