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Anonymous wrote:This is what the Hold Up violence draws from... and WELP... It's art from a white woman!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a56RPZ_cbdc

Typical white feminist. You just have to make everything about you.

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The bolded comment will do nothing to open up the dialog and help white, black, all feminists do the best for their sex. What would your reaction be if I said "typical black feminist" and then insulted you?

If you care, write a more thoughtful comment.

I don't care. As a Black feminist, I have zero interest helping white women.

Wow.

First, white women aren't asking for black women's "help". We are trying to team up in the interest of helping remove barriers so all women can fulfill their potential. I'm sorry that your experience has been so horrible that you refuse to believe we can be on your side. Truly sorry. But many white women do see how racist feminism has been in the past and we want to fix it also. So you can hate white women all you want, but I'm doing what I can to help change the movement to prioritize women of color, lesbians, and other marginalized groups. And like it or not, Lemonade speaks to me and is incredibly moving. Same way Karen O can speak to you if you listen.

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Anonymous wrote:So you guys would be fine if Taylor Swift sang "You better call Shaneequa with the afro" and all the white women retorted "this is not about you or your experience, you have no place to comment"?

I doubt that. You'd be screaming it was racist and how dare she.... and all of your loud voices would have plenty to say.

Please don't forget this album is not Beyonce's experience as a black woman. She grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood, both parents had excellent jobs, she had the best of everything, went to private school, and her dad quit his job to manage her budding career after she went to a school for the performing arts. I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman. Some other poetic visionary genius whittled this together and is using Bey as their vehicle.

Totally agree with everything the previous poster said about enjoying the album while it is not necessarily about "you".

Wow, that's shockingly ignorant. Since when does class privilege erase Blackness? I'm upper middle class, my parents had excellent jobs, and I went to private school. That doesn't make me any less Black.

You're an outsider. You're seriously overstepping your boundaries by trying to define Beyoncés Blackness.

+1, and I'm white.

+2. Middle class (half black and half white)

Where does it say anywhere that her Blackness is erased or that she is any less Black? It does not say that. It says her experience growing up is not the experience she is singing about in relations to the struggles of the Black woman in her visual album.

This wasn't written by a struggling, poor, unprivileged, disrespected, discriminated against suffering Black woman... more like Beyonce and a bunch of white men.

That's exactly what pp said. Her exact words were "I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman".

Does not say her Blackness is erased, says she probably hasn't experienced the struggles of most Black women. You know exactly what was meant. She has led a privileged, charmed life.

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Anonymous wrote:So you guys would be fine if Taylor Swift sang "You better call Shaneequa with the afro" and all the white women retorted "this is not about you or your experience, you have no place to comment"?

I doubt that. You'd be screaming it was racist and how dare she.... and all of your loud voices would have plenty to say.

Please don't forget this album is not Beyonce's experience as a black woman. She grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood, both parents had excellent jobs, she had the best of everything, went to private school, and her dad quit his job to manage her budding career after she went to a school for the performing arts. I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman. Some other poetic visionary genius whittled this together and is using Bey as their vehicle.

Totally agree with everything the previous poster said about enjoying the album while it is not necessarily about "you".

Wow, that's shockingly ignorant. Since when does class privilege erase Blackness? I'm upper middle class, my parents had excellent jobs, and I went to private school. That doesn't make me any less Black.

You're an outsider. You're seriously overstepping your boundaries by trying to define Beyoncés Blackness.

+1, and I'm white.

+2. Middle class (half black and half white)

Where does it say anywhere that her Blackness is erased or that she is any less Black? It does not say that. It says her experience growing up is not the experience she is singing about in relations to the struggles of the Black woman in her visual album.

This wasn't written by a struggling, poor, unprivileged, disrespected, discriminated against suffering Black woman... more like Beyonce and a bunch of white men.

That's exactly what pp said. Her exact words were "I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman".

Why are a bunch of white women even discussing someone's blackness?
Ugh

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Anonymous wrote:So you guys would be fine if Taylor Swift sang "You better call Shaneequa with the afro" and all the white women retorted "this is not about you or your experience, you have no place to comment"?

I doubt that. You'd be screaming it was racist and how dare she.... and all of your loud voices would have plenty to say.

Please don't forget this album is not Beyonce's experience as a black woman. She grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood, both parents had excellent jobs, she had the best of everything, went to private school, and her dad quit his job to manage her budding career after she went to a school for the performing arts. I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman. Some other poetic visionary genius whittled this together and is using Bey as their vehicle.

Totally agree with everything the previous poster said about enjoying the album while it is not necessarily about "you".

Wow, that's shockingly ignorant. Since when does class privilege erase Blackness? I'm upper middle class, my parents had excellent jobs, and I went to private school. That doesn't make me any less Black.

You're an outsider. You're seriously overstepping your boundaries by trying to define Beyoncés Blackness.

Nobody's "erasing Blackness". That's not even possible, because "Blackness" isn't just one thing, or one experience. PP is pointing out, somewhat ham-handedly, that the stereotypical idea of "blackness" and Beyonce's inarguably privileged upbringing are at odds. That doesn't make Beyonce any less black (there's a whole spectrum of "black"), but intersectionality matters. Beyonce's class privilege alters, somewhat radically, her experience of "blackness". Rich, privileged people don't know life the way poor, underprivileged people in underserved communities do.

When rich, privileged people start singing about/to the stereotype of blackness outside their experience, we should be aware of it. Can she, as an artist, channel the experience(s) of others, and represent things outside her own personal culture and upbringing? Sure. Are those things authentically hers? No. Do the people to whom those things authentically belong have a right, and responsibility, to shed some light on how she has appropriated their culture/experience for profit? Yes. That is an actual thing that #notjustwhitepeople do.

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Anonymous wrote:So you guys would be fine if Taylor Swift sang "You better call Shaneequa with the afro" and all the white women retorted "this is not about you or your experience, you have no place to comment"?

I doubt that. You'd be screaming it was racist and how dare she.... and all of your loud voices would have plenty to say.

Please don't forget this album is not Beyonce's experience as a black woman. She grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood, both parents had excellent jobs, she had the best of everything, went to private school, and her dad quit his job to manage her budding career after she went to a school for the performing arts. I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman. Some other poetic visionary genius whittled this together and is using Bey as their vehicle.

Totally agree with everything the previous poster said about enjoying the album while it is not necessarily about "you".

Wow, that's shockingly ignorant. Since when does class privilege erase Blackness? I'm upper middle class, my parents had excellent jobs, and I went to private school. That doesn't make me any less Black.

You're an outsider. You're seriously overstepping your boundaries by trying to define Beyoncés Blackness.

+1, and I'm white.

+2. Middle class (half black and half white)

Where does it say anywhere that her Blackness is erased or that she is any less Black? It does not say that. It says her experience growing up is not the experience she is singing about in relations to the struggles of the Black woman in her visual album.

This wasn't written by a struggling, poor, unprivileged, disrespected, discriminated against suffering Black woman... more like Beyonce and a bunch of white men.

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Anonymous wrote:So you guys would be fine if Taylor Swift sang "You better call Shaneequa with the afro" and all the white women retorted "this is not about you or your experience, you have no place to comment"?

I doubt that. You'd be screaming it was racist and how dare she.... and all of your loud voices would have plenty to say.

Please don't forget this album is not Beyonce's experience as a black woman. She grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood, both parents had excellent jobs, she had the best of everything, went to private school, and her dad quit his job to manage her budding career after she went to a school for the performing arts. I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman. Some other poetic visionary genius whittled this together and is using Bey as their vehicle.

Totally agree with everything the previous poster said about enjoying the album while it is not necessarily about "you".

Wow, that's shockingly ignorant. Since when does class privilege erase Blackness? I'm upper middle class, my parents had excellent jobs, and I went to private school. That doesn't make me any less Black.

You're an outsider. You're seriously overstepping your boundaries by trying to define Beyoncés Blackness.

+1, and I'm white.

+2. Middle class (half black and half white)

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Anonymous wrote:So you guys would be fine if Taylor Swift sang "You better call Shaneequa with the afro" and all the white women retorted "this is not about you or your experience, you have no place to comment"?

I doubt that. You'd be screaming it was racist and how dare she.... and all of your loud voices would have plenty to say.

Please don't forget this album is not Beyonce's experience as a black woman. She grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood, both parents had excellent jobs, she had the best of everything, went to private school, and her dad quit his job to manage her budding career after she went to a school for the performing arts. I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman. Some other poetic visionary genius whittled this together and is using Bey as their vehicle.

Totally agree with everything the previous poster said about enjoying the album while it is not necessarily about "you".

Wow, that's shockingly ignorant. Since when does class privilege erase Blackness? I'm upper middle class, my parents had excellent jobs, and I went to private school. That doesn't make me any less Black.

You're an outsider. You're seriously overstepping your boundaries by trying to define Beyoncés Blackness.

+1, and I'm white.

Anonymous wrote:So you guys would be fine if Taylor Swift sang "You better call Shaneequa with the afro" and all the white women retorted "this is not about you or your experience, you have no place to comment"?

I doubt that. You'd be screaming it was racist and how dare she.... and all of your loud voices would have plenty to say.

Please don't forget this album is not Beyonce's experience as a black woman. She grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood, both parents had excellent jobs, she had the best of everything, went to private school, and her dad quit his job to manage her budding career after she went to a school for the performing arts. I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman. Some other poetic visionary genius whittled this together and is using Bey as their vehicle.

Totally agree with everything the previous poster said about enjoying the album while it is not necessarily about "you".

Wow, that's shockingly ignorant. Since when does class privilege erase Blackness? I'm upper middle class, my parents had excellent jobs, and I went to private school. That doesn't make me any less Black.

You're an outsider. You're seriously overstepping your boundaries by trying to define Beyoncés Blackness.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why JayZ would appear in a video about infidelity he committed?

Because it's not literal.

This, plus Lemonade has 62 writers. Beyonce did not write every lyric to every song.

So you guys would be fine if Taylor Swift sang "You better call Shaneequa with the afro" and all the white women retorted "this is not about you or your experience, you have no place to comment"?

I doubt that. You'd be screaming it was racist and how dare she.... and all of your loud voices would have plenty to say.

Please don't forget this album is not Beyonce's experience as a black woman. She grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood, both parents had excellent jobs, she had the best of everything, went to private school, and her dad quit his job to manage her budding career after she went to a school for the performing arts. I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman. Some other poetic visionary genius whittled this together and is using Bey as their vehicle.

Totally agree with everything the previous poster said about enjoying the album while it is not necessarily about "you".

https://mic.com/articles/141835/azealia-banks-slams-beyonc-s-lemonade-and-its-heartbroken-black-female-narrative

"Beyoncé also spent a great deal of time touching on themes she began to discuss in "Formation" — namely, Black Lives Matter and the resilience of black women. During "Freedom," Beyoncé featured several mothers of black men who were killed either by police or vigilantes...The poems of Warsan Shire and speeches by Malcolm X woven throughout Lemonade are testament to the fact that while Beyoncé is the creative force behind Lemonade she is not its sole subject. She is interested in larger questions about black womanhood and black women's bodies. To suggest that Beyoncé's marriage is the only subject at hand in Lemonade begs the simple question: Have you even seen it?"

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why JayZ would appear in a video about infidelity he committed?

Because it's not literal.

Thank you. Funny how literally people take things.

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why JayZ would appear in a video about infidelity he committed?

Because it's not literal.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what the Hold Up violence draws from... and WELP... It's art from a white woman!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a56RPZ_cbdc

Typical white feminist. You just have to make everything about you.

+1000000

The bolded comment will do nothing to open up the dialog and help white, black, all feminists do the best for their sex. What would your reaction be if I said "typical black feminist" and then insulted you?

If you care, write a more thoughtful comment.

I don't care. As a Black feminist, I have zero interest helping white women.

Then don't call yourself a feminist. "I'm all for women, except THOSE women." And people wonder why nobody takes "feminists" seriously...