Op stated upthread it was green Bay, will. I was wondering if s/he made the move (I'm looking at Milwaukee)....I worry about insularity...

Depends on the city. I have three east coast friends who moved to the midwest - Cincinnati, Kansas City, Indianapolis - and they found it to be insular for job life and social life. Everyone has known everyone else since kindergarten and, while nice, they don't let any outsiders into their circles.

Other friends moved to Minneapolis and act like we're philistines for staying in DC.

I agree with someone else upthread. Cheap housing isn't everything. Plan to make it a short stay and hope to be surprised.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the year 2016. I just don't get how people in DC or NYC think that they spend their time doing more interesting, intellectual, and cultural things than people who live in the Midwest. What do people in DC do? They go to work as doctors, lawyers, engineers, plumbers, teachers, lobbyists, politicians, fire fighters. They go out to eat at fancy restaurants, fast food joints, they buy organic from Whole Foods, or put canned food in a crock pot. They go to the movies, shopping, plays, concerts, bars drinking. They shuttle their kids to a hundred activities or they worry about how they will pay for college. They have intellectual conversations or really stupid ones. They surf the Internet. They exercise and run marathons or they sit on the couch every night. They watch hundreds of hours of television or they read millions of books. People in the Midwest do the exact same things every single day.

Not all of us think that. I was born in raised in Maryland.

The area of Maryland in which I grew up was and is still kind of what some people accuse Midwestern towns of being (very provincial thinking). I also grew up working class, blue collar. I doubt there's much difference between the MD town in which I was raised and the Midwestern towns DCUM people denigrate.

I also consider Chicago to be a pretty world class city. So it's not like there aren't interesting cities in the Midwest.

The only reason I wouldn't move to Wisconsin or Illinois is the weather. I can't take the cold.

The South is a different story. My biggest issue with the South is religion. The impression I've gotten of the Midwest is that people kind of mind their own business when it comes to religion. I'm very "to each his/her own" when it comes to religion. The South, though, seems to be a place where if you aren't a practicing Christian, you are seen very much as an other.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sounds like you are talking about Milwaukee. I live in the upper Midwest and also grew up in NYC. The problem I have is how insular places like Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis, and Cleveland are. Very few people move in and out. Most of the people grew up, went to school, and married someone locally and have never lived anywhere else. Your spouse is going to go up against people who have friends and family in the area forever. If its a 2-5 year stint, fine, anything else, not great. Cheap housing isn't the only thing in life.

Milwaukee is a great city, great place to live, very close to Chicago, so this can't be Milwaukee!

I bet it's Kansas City.

Anonymous wrote:I find women to be better looking, sexier, and more open minded in flyover land. YMMV, and I'm not a lawyer or consultant, so assortive mating in DC is concededly hard for me. Hoping for a promotion, though.

Better looking ? Ah !

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Anonymous wrote:No, I hate flyover country. No coincidence that flyover has lower real estate prices... cause it's shitty and everyone knows it.

Seriously. These are the people voting for Trump.

Wisconsin chose Obama even with Ryan being from there.

Ryan didn't even win his own county!

This made me laugh