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Anonymous wrote: Bernie doesn't have a superPAC himself but he is accepting help from at least two superPACs. Liberal activists have praised Clinton's campaign finance reform plans, Steyer supports her climate and clean energy plans and Elizabeth Warren just declared her support for Hillary's Wall Street reform plans. You should be pleased by all of this, not dismissive, if you really care about these causes.

I do care about these causes very, very much. HRC still falls far, far short.

I'll let Andy Borowitz do the talking for me:

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/hillary-expected-to-adopt-all-of-sanderss-positions-by-noon

Anonymous wrote: Bernie doesn't have a superPAC himself but he is accepting help from at least two superPACs. Liberal activists have praised Clinton's campaign finance reform plans, Steyer supports her climate and clean energy plans and Elizabeth Warren just declared her support for Hillary's Wall Street reform plans. You should be pleased by all of this, not dismissive, if you really care about these causes.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally I hope Sanders says screw you to the DNC and runs as an independent.

Several Republican elected officials took to Twitter yesterday to say the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe bs is a person of honesty and integrity. Someone who forgoes superpacs is not someone who spearheads a dirty tactic campaign strategy. In contrast, hrc stupidly feigns ignorance that her campaign accepts money from dirty energy, big banks, and big industry. Her problem is that she's being out-integritied. Now she has a miniscule chance to demonstrate she's the victim of dirty politics, and it's blowing up in her face.

I believe this is why the DNC decided this morning to reverse it's decision. I hope all this crap exposes the bullshit within the major parties, including the Democrats. Politicians of integrity should be trumpeting the incredible corruption that the most recent spending bill permitted, that is allowing major donors to hide. Money is continuing to roll in from what Bernie calls the "plutocrats" and "oligarchs" of big $$$.

The Democrats need to watch their backs. Republicans are pissed off enough with establishment politics to turn toward the likes of that asshole Trump, and second place candidates but equally assholish Cruz and Carson. Somewhat less assholish candidates are riding right on their tails. Democratic voters are also getting pissed, and THANK GOD, they're moving toward alternative candidate Bernie Sanders. You're welcome, America.

Wasserman Shmidt: No one trusts you. HRC: You're dangling precipitously on the edge. Establishment candidates: Come clean, wash your hands of corporate influence and get our nation back on track. Otherwise you're a bunch of corrupt bastards.

The DNC restored data access because the Sanders campaign agreed to its conditions. Had the campaign agreed to this two days ago, data access wouldn't have been lost in the first place. By not telling Sanders of the problem, his staff put him in a difficult position.

If Sanders wants to run as a Democratic candidate and use the DNC's data platform, he needs to ensure that his staff abide by the user agreement.

Agreed to all of the above, but I'll add that Sanders lost me when he blamed this on "some young staffers." The guy who did this, Josh Uretsky, has been working on national campaigns since 2006. Do you know how long that is in campaign terms? The guy is practically a Sanders-level wizened old veteran, as campaigns skew notoriously young. Uretsky was also the national data director. Considering how powerful the VAN data is, that's a pretty senior position in the campaign.

This wasn't some young kid making an innocent mistake, and for Sanders to portray it that way is disingenuous.

All true, though I'm not sure it's Sanders choosing to portray it as young staffers run amok. That may be a Weaver/Devine concoction, not Bernie's doing.

Read this, though:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/sanders-gets-the-fight-he-wanted-216965

I really hope Bernie doesn't make tonight's debate all about his battle with the DNC. That plays to his base but will not help the Democratic Party in the general election. The average voter wants to hear about the issues, not internal party squabbles.

The young staffer quote came directly from Weaver, who is Sanders' national campaign manager and would by extension be his presumptive chief of staff if he won. Basically, he is Sanders' mouthpiece and I think we can assume that this statement was cleared with the candidate.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe bs is a person of honesty and integrity. Someone who forgoes superpacs is not someone who spearheads a dirty tactic campaign strategy. In contrast, hrc stupidly feigns ignorance that her campaign accepts money from dirty energy, big banks, and big industry. Her problem is that she's being out-integritied. Now she has a miniscule chance to demonstrate she's the victim of dirty politics, and it's blowing up in her face.

I believe this is why the DNC decided this morning to reverse it's decision. I hope all this crap exposes the bullshit within the major parties, including the Democrats. Politicians of integrity should be trumpeting the incredible corruption that the most recent spending bill permitted, that is allowing major donors to hide. Money is continuing to roll in from what Bernie calls the "plutocrats" and "oligarchs" of big $$$.

The Democrats need to watch their backs. Republicans are pissed off enough with establishment politics to turn toward the likes of that asshole Trump, and second place candidates but equally assholish Cruz and Carson. Somewhat less assholish candidates are riding right on their tails. Democratic voters are also getting pissed, and THANK GOD, they're moving toward alternative candidate Bernie Sanders. You're welcome, America.

Wasserman Shmidt: No one trusts you. HRC: You're dangling precipitously on the edge. Establishment candidates: Come clean, wash your hands of corporate influence and get our nation back on track. Otherwise you're a bunch of corrupt bastards.

The DNC restored data access because the Sanders campaign agreed to its conditions. Had the campaign agreed to this two days ago, data access wouldn't have been lost in the first place. By not telling Sanders of the problem, his staff put him in a difficult position.

If Sanders wants to run as a Democratic candidate and use the DNC's data platform, he needs to ensure that his staff abide by the user agreement.

Agreed to all of the above, but I'll add that Sanders lost me when he blamed this on "some young staffers." The guy who did this, Josh Uretsky, has been working on national campaigns since 2006. Do you know how long that is in campaign terms? The guy is practically a Sanders-level wizened old veteran, as campaigns skew notoriously young. Uretsky was also the national data director. Considering how powerful the VAN data is, that's a pretty senior position in the campaign.

This wasn't some young kid making an innocent mistake, and for Sanders to portray it that way is disingenuous.

All true, though I'm not sure it's Sanders choosing to portray it as young staffers run amok. That may be a Weaver/Devine concoction, not Bernie's doing.

Read this, though:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/sanders-gets-the-fight-he-wanted-216965

I really hope Bernie doesn't make tonight's debate all about his battle with the DNC. That plays to his base but will not help the Democratic Party in the general election. The average voter wants to hear about the issues, not internal party squabbles.

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I believe this is why the DNC decided this morning to reverse it's decision. I hope all this crap exposes the bullshit within the major parties, including the Democrats. Politicians of integrity should be trumpeting the incredible corruption that the most recent spending bill permitted, that is allowing major donors to hide. Money is continuing to roll in from what Bernie calls the "plutocrats" and "oligarchs" of big $$$.

The Democrats need to watch their backs. Republicans are pissed off enough with establishment politics to turn toward the likes of that asshole Trump, and second place candidates but equally assholish Cruz and Carson. Somewhat less assholish candidates are riding right on their tails. Democratic voters are also getting pissed, and THANK GOD, they're moving toward alternative candidate Bernie Sanders. You're welcome, America.

Wasserman Shmidt: No one trusts you. HRC: You're dangling precipitously on the edge. Establishment candidates: Come clean, wash your hands of corporate influence and get our nation back on track. Otherwise you're a bunch of corrupt bastards.

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I really hope Bernie doesn't make tonight's debate all about his battle with the DNC. That plays to his base but will not help the Democratic Party in the general election. The average voter wants to hear about the issues, not internal party squabbles.

It won’t matter. Nobody will be watching which is what the DNC wants.

Anonymous wrote:Personally I hope Sanders says screw you to the DNC and runs as an independent.

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Anonymous wrote:I can tell you that I sent $20 to Bernie for this. It will be interesting to see if he gets a bump in fundraising. That will speak volumes. I believe he has a very loyal following and if the dems treat this group poorly, the democratic nominee will get hurt.

Agreed! In fact, given the chaos on the Republican side, this is the equivalent of the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot and it was totally self-inflicted.

It also had the effect of supporting the belief the DNC was totally siding with HRC and her campaign.

Yep. And let me add that Hillary's rabid fans on twitter are doing her zero favors. Same goes for campaign staff.

Hearing Brian Fallon completely misrepresent what happened and act as though it was the worst scandal to ever hit a campaign was surprising to me. Completely amateur move, irresponsible, morally wrong, and damaging to the party. It really pissed me off.

I was warming up to Hillary. This has presented a stumbling block.

It won't shock me at all if we find out her staff was peaking around and if that happens, she's toast. The woman irritates the hell out of me. Even when things are going well it's like she's determined to screw up.

Audits have determined that only the Sanders campaign accessed another campaign's data. Jeff Weaver acknowledged on CNN that he had no evidence of anything else.

Fallon's stance is political gamesmanship, just as the Weaver/Devine stances are. I think HRC will take a different tack, and Bernie will take a much less blustering stance than his campaign manager did. This is how campaigns play these things.

For the life of me I don't know why the DNC isn't under new leadership. Everyone would prefer it.

We have not actually been shown the full audit. The only thing that was presented relating to the audit came directly from the Clinton campaign and ONLY showed Sanders access (including Sanders staffers accessing Sanders' own stuff unrelated to any presumed breach) and given the complete absence of any Clinton staffer transactions it is clearly not the full picture.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe bs is a person of honesty and integrity. Someone who forgoes superpacs is not someone who spearheads a dirty tactic campaign strategy. In contrast, hrc stupidly feigns ignorance that her campaign accepts money from dirty energy, big banks, and big industry. Her problem is that she's being out-integritied. Now she has a miniscule chance to demonstrate she's the victim of dirty politics, and it's blowing up in her face.

I believe this is why the DNC decided this morning to reverse it's decision. I hope all this crap exposes the bullshit within the major parties, including the Democrats. Politicians of integrity should be trumpeting the incredible corruption that the most recent spending bill permitted, that is allowing major donors to hide. Money is continuing to roll in from what Bernie calls the "plutocrats" and "oligarchs" of big $$$.

The Democrats need to watch their backs. Republicans are pissed off enough with establishment politics to turn toward the likes of that asshole Trump, and second place candidates but equally assholish Cruz and Carson. Somewhat less assholish candidates are riding right on their tails. Democratic voters are also getting pissed, and THANK GOD, they're moving toward alternative candidate Bernie Sanders. You're welcome, America.

Wasserman Shmidt: No one trusts you. HRC: You're dangling precipitously on the edge. Establishment candidates: Come clean, wash your hands of corporate influence and get our nation back on track. Otherwise you're a bunch of corrupt bastards.

Here's my take. This data breach--when all the facts come out--will be MUCH LESS of an issue than HILLARY's EMAILS. It is also of such minor significance to anything in general. It is not Watergate. It is not selling baby parts. It is not

The DNC restored data access because the Sanders campaign agreed to its conditions. Had the campaign agreed to this two days ago, data access wouldn't have been lost in the first place. By not telling Sanders of the problem, his staff put him in a difficult position.

If Sanders wants to run as a Democratic candidate and use the DNC's data platform, he needs to ensure that his staff abide by the user agreement.

I think that when all is said and done, you will see that this little episode warrants ZERO concern about Bernie Sanders. It is less significant than Hillary's "damn emails." It is less significant than falsified campaign signatures. It is less important than "harvesting baby parts." It is NOT IMPORTANT and is NOT AND INDICATION OF CORRUPTION. I very strongly believe this will be borne out.

I think that the DNC got nervous, and rightly so. It was going to be raked over the coals, and they and HRC miscalculated their strategy to take advantage of this nothing-event to make BS look bad and weaken his campaign. It blew up in their faces.

You want to worry about corruption in politics? Worry about the legal activity. Worry about Hillary's SuperPAC and its contributors. Worry about her positions on campaign finance reform (zero, squat, nothing) and corporate favors via trade policy (which BS pushed her to "reconsider"), bank and finance laws and regulations, and her kissing up to dirty energy. This is very, very serious. By contrast, this BS about BS is but a speck of Unimportant Nonsense.

I really hope Bernie doesn't make tonight's debate all about his battle with the DNC. That plays to his base but will not help the Democratic Party in the general election. The average voter wants to hear about the issues, not internal party squabbles.

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Anonymous wrote:I can tell you that I sent $20 to Bernie for this. It will be interesting to see if he gets a bump in fundraising. That will speak volumes. I believe he has a very loyal following and if the dems treat this group poorly, the democratic nominee will get hurt.

Agreed! In fact, given the chaos on the Republican side, this is the equivalent of the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot and it was totally self-inflicted.

It also had the effect of supporting the belief the DNC was totally siding with HRC and her campaign.

Yep. And let me add that Hillary's rabid fans on twitter are doing her zero favors. Same goes for campaign staff.

Hearing Brian Fallon completely misrepresent what happened and act as though it was the worst scandal to ever hit a campaign was surprising to me. Completely amateur move, irresponsible, morally wrong, and damaging to the party. It really pissed me off.

I was warming up to Hillary. This has presented a stumbling block.

It won't shock me at all if we find out her staff was peaking around and if that happens, she's toast. The woman irritates the hell out of me. Even when things are going well it's like she's determined to screw up.

Audits have determined that only the Sanders campaign accessed another campaign's data. Jeff Weaver acknowledged on CNN that he had no evidence of anything else.

Fallon's stance is political gamesmanship, just as the Weaver/Devine stances are. I think HRC will take a different tack, and Bernie will take a much less blustering stance than his campaign manager did. This is how campaigns play these things.

For the life of me I don't know why the DNC isn't under new leadership. Everyone would prefer it.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe bs is a person of honesty and integrity. Someone who forgoes superpacs is not someone who spearheads a dirty tactic campaign strategy. In contrast, hrc stupidly feigns ignorance that her campaign accepts money from dirty energy, big banks, and big industry. Her problem is that she's being out-integritied. Now she has a miniscule chance to demonstrate she's the victim of dirty politics, and it's blowing up in her face.

I believe this is why the DNC decided this morning to reverse it's decision. I hope all this crap exposes the bullshit within the major parties, including the Democrats. Politicians of integrity should be trumpeting the incredible corruption that the most recent spending bill permitted, that is allowing major donors to hide. Money is continuing to roll in from what Bernie calls the "plutocrats" and "oligarchs" of big $$$.

The Democrats need to watch their backs. Republicans are pissed off enough with establishment politics to turn toward the likes of that asshole Trump, and second place candidates but equally assholish Cruz and Carson. Somewhat less assholish candidates are riding right on their tails. Democratic voters are also getting pissed, and THANK GOD, they're moving toward alternative candidate Bernie Sanders. You're welcome, America.

Wasserman Shmidt: No one trusts you. HRC: You're dangling precipitously on the edge. Establishment candidates: Come clean, wash your hands of corporate influence and get our nation back on track. Otherwise you're a bunch of corrupt bastards.

The DNC restored data access because the Sanders campaign agreed to its conditions. Had the campaign agreed to this two days ago, data access wouldn't have been lost in the first place. By not telling Sanders of the problem, his staff put him in a difficult position.

If Sanders wants to run as a Democratic candidate and use the DNC's data platform, he needs to ensure that his staff abide by the user agreement.

Agreed to all of the above, but I'll add that Sanders lost me when he blamed this on "some young staffers." The guy who did this, Josh Uretsky, has been working on national campaigns since 2006. Do you know how long that is in campaign terms? The guy is practically a Sanders-level wizened old veteran, as campaigns skew notoriously young. Uretsky was also the national data director. Considering how powerful the VAN data is, that's a pretty senior position in the campaign.

This wasn't some young kid making an innocent mistake, and for Sanders to portray it that way is disingenuous.