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Anonymous wrote:My brother likes Trump. He's ex-military (served in Afghanistan) and thinks the Islamic religion has no place in the US since it is a vehicle for violence.

My brother is also a moron. He's also the human version of an internet troll. Trump has captured the sizeable portion of the GOP electorate that trolls internet forums and basically wants to watch the world burn. If they can't have nice things, then no one else should either.

Thank your brother for his service from me. And apologize to him while you are at it

For what?

I guess PP thinks your brother should be able to shovel shit because he's a veteran?

I thought that was the vast majority of the Democratic Party and their Robin Hood mentality.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother likes Trump. He's ex-military (served in Afghanistan) and thinks the Islamic religion has no place in the US since it is a vehicle for violence.

My brother is also a moron. He's also the human version of an internet troll. Trump has captured the sizeable portion of the GOP electorate that trolls internet forums and basically wants to watch the world burn. If they can't have nice things, then no one else should either.

Thank your brother for his service from me. And apologize to him while you are at it

For what?

I guess PP thinks your brother should be able to shovel shit because he's a veteran?

Oh, I am not the poster with the brother, but I am really interested in the train of thought behind this.

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Anonymous wrote:I have two sets of friends on facebook who LOVE Trump and are campaigning for him. The super rich (I figure they think he'll lower their taxes) and the very poor and uneducated (I think they're hoping for less taxes and more laws being enforced).

Laws, by their very definition, should be enforced. WTF?

They mean the immigration laws. And no, they're not being enforced.

This is from Reuters:

“America is expelling illegal immigrants at nine times the rate of 20 years ago; nearly 2m so far under Barack Obama, easily outpacing any previous president,” the Economist wrote in February 2014. “Border patrol agents no longer just patrol the border; they scour the country for illegals to eject. The deportation machine costs more than all other areas of federal criminal law-enforcement combined.”

Critics may declare President Obama soft on immigration, but as this Reuters graphic shows, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data the Department of Homeland Security deported 414,481 people in fiscal year 2014, down from 438,421 the year before. Each year of the Obama administration has seen more deportations than any preceding president; the pre-Obama high of 358,886 removals in FY2008 came during President George W. Bush’s last full fiscal year in office.

http://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/2015/02/25/tracking-obamas-deportation-numbers/

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Anonymous wrote:My own experience is that there are a lot of Trump supporters and they cross party lines. But many are unwilling to come out openly and say they support him. But they speak with grudging admiration of his strength, business acumen, etc.

These people are not racists, they are not ignorant uneducated people, etc but they are fed up with the both parties and how they say one thing to get elected but then do something else when they are in office.

Trump speaks to their aspirations, fears and hopes. These are people who are opposed to illegal immigration, granting amnesty to illegals, they despise political correctness, they think everything is out of control when it comes to dealing with Islamic inspired terrorism - even if it is a perversion.

If he ends up the nominee, it will not surprise me if many of these people vote for him.

"These" people are indeed racist, ignorant and uneducated. One couldn't support him otherwise.

Aren't we cute in name calling?

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Anonymous wrote:This weekend I read an article in the Economist that condescendingly referred to Trump's supporters as "wrinklies." This made me, a 30-something liberal female attorney, so mad! How dare the writers of the Economist disrespect the american voter! In a democracy, the government listens to the people and not the other way around. The liberal elite should not be allowed to impose their own version of the rule of law on America. Over the last twenty years the First Amendment has been almost completely obliterated by the idea of political correctness. People are afraid to say even the simplest things for fear of being misunderstood. Hell, saying "Merry Christmas" is no longer socially acceptable. Laws are enforced at will, or not at all, and the liberal elite feels entitled to disrespect the average Americans, off whose backs they make their living. And this is precisely why people support Trump - because he does not seek to "improve" or "educate" an average voter, but instead shows him respect and actually listens to their opinions - something that, you know, in a democracy, an elected representative is supposed to do.

This is OP, and I can see this point as the most logical explanation. And I am also sick and tired of everyone trying to make everything support their idea of PC.

I working a large law firm. A lot of lawyers who I know support Trump, even those who voted for democrats for years.

This is happening across demographics. The first person I heard openly speak in favor of Trump was a female Latina immigrant. The second was a long-time democrat. Many people across socio-economic, political, racial and cultural lines are fed up with the paternalistic nature of our elected officials and the quasi anti-American rhetoric we have been force fed for too long. The fact that someone as divisive as Trump can get this far with such a wide variety of supporters needs to be a wake-up call to both parties.

Where are these people? I have literally never come across them. In real life or on the internet. These are anecdotes, PP, and whether true or not, they do not translate into an election win.

Maybe this people see you as a stubborn uneducated liberal and had no desire to share their views with you?

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Anonymous wrote:My own experience is that there are a lot of Trump supporters and they cross party lines. But many are unwilling to come out openly and say they support him. But they speak with grudging admiration of his strength, business acumen, etc.

These people are not racists, they are not ignorant uneducated people, etc but they are fed up with the both parties and how they say one thing to get elected but then do something else when they are in office.

Trump speaks to their aspirations, fears and hopes. These are people who are opposed to illegal immigration, granting amnesty to illegals, they despise political correctness, they think everything is out of control when it comes to dealing with Islamic inspired terrorism - even if it is a perversion.

If he ends up the nominee, it will not surprise me if many of these people vote for him.

"These" people are indeed racist, ignorant and uneducated. One couldn't support him otherwise.

Really? Head on to the FDR thread and you will all kinds of ways people can superset the positive and negatives attributes of an individual. It is possible to like some things and abhor others. Life isn't all or nothing and people ate not generally all good or sell bad. I will not vote for Trump but by no means do I think all of his supporters are racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Except it's the Republicans that have ruined their American Dream by destroying unions. Their anger is misplaced. And I resent the implication that liberals are not patriots.

I made no such implication. No one doubts the patriotism of liberal icons like FDR and JFK, each of whom enjoyed strong backing from Reagan democrats. But to paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen (a WWII combat pilot and patriot), Obama is no John Kennedy.

No, you don't get to decide who is a patriot. And patriotism is not correlated with your or your party's core values. This is incredibly insulting.

Also, just FYI, because this is another very annoying thing, someone's opinions do not carry more weight because they have served in the military.

I resent your implication that Bentsen was not a patriot. And sorry, but FDR did many things, but he didn't serve in the military. And that makes him no less a patriot. But go ahead, feel the Bern. Free college becomes you.