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Anonymous wrote:Regardless the outcome, private colleges like Harvard, Princeton, etc, will continue holistic admissions. Good for them.

Private universities may be affected and (bound) by the US Supreme Court ruling since they receive federal funds from the Federal Government unless they give up all federal funds.

I think it's time to end this racial discrimination based on race. This is shameful and unconstitutional to allow racial discrimination to continue. All citizens are guaranteed equal protection under the law.

So what do we do about the fact that with few exceptions the standards for admissions for a white male and lower than they are for a white female. The rationale is that colleges prefer gender parity for a variety of reasons. But is that fair to girls? I think it's time to end discrimination based on gender. It is shameful. All citizens are guaranteed equal protections under the law. And please don't ask me to cite sources. Look it up yourself.

Depends on the criteria used. Grades? Yes. SAT scores? No. In any case, the differences are slight compared to racial preferences.

No, girls and Asians (boys and girls) have both higher grades and SAT scores than white boys in general. Why do white boys get a pass? If a meritocracy is so damned important to people then they shouldn't be so quick to drop it when it comes to white boys. This is anecdotal but several boys in my daughter's classes at a SLAC have come right out and said if they were a girl they would have never be admitted. Tell a girl who had been weeded out based on gender that the differences are slight. Time for lazy white boys to face the music.

Not true. White males have higher SAT scores than white females by about 40 points. There are almost twice as many males with SAT math scores above 700, and slightly more with Reading scores above 700. Females have higher grades. All the details are here:

http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/research/2013/TotalGroup-2013.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Blacks have lower sat scores, tend to major in easier majors in college, have lower grades than whites/Asians and have lower graduation rates.

Maybe there is a correlation between sat scores and success in college.

Again, that is so topical. The question is why. Most are first time college students. Where do they get guidance. I didn't get any. Why are there grades lower. As I stated before, Kavitha Cardoza did a great series on NPR and found some enlightening information on why this happens. In addition, the Posse Foundation has also studied this. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

All I know is that I got a 900 on the SAT (out of 1600), graduated from high school with a 2.73. Graduated from college with a 3.5, law school top 5% of my class (top tier school) and passed 2 bars on the first try. Boy those SAT scores really dictated my future.

I'm not going back and forth since you already like your narrative. Go with it.

If we are to continue with affirmative action it should be economically based and not race based. Lack of guidance is largely indicative of socio-economic class and not race. Why should a black student or a women from an affluent family or who have college educated parents or who are multiple generational college educated receive affirmative action when it is the poor kids of any race who need the step up?

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the above poster that affirmative action should be based on socio-economics/class and not race based. I mean really, how are the Obama girls disadvantaged?

Anonymous wrote:The worst discrimination today is against Muslims. They are the ones who should receive the admissions tip since they are clearly being discriminated against.

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Anonymous wrote:Blacks have lower sat scores, tend to major in easier majors in college, have lower grades than whites/Asians and have lower graduation rates.

Maybe there is a correlation between sat scores and success in college.

Again, that is so topical. The question is why. Most are first time college students. Where do they get guidance. I didn't get any. Why are there grades lower. As I stated before, Kavitha Cardoza did a great series on NPR and found some enlightening information on why this happens. In addition, the Posse Foundation has also studied this. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

All I know is that I got a 900 on the SAT (out of 1600), graduated from high school with a 2.73. Graduated from college with a 3.5, law school top 5% of my class (top tier school) and passed 2 bars on the first try. Boy those SAT scores really dictated my future.

I'm not going back and forth since you already like your narrative. Go with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Blacks have lower sat scores, tend to major in easier majors in college, have lower grades than whites/Asians and have lower graduation rates.

Maybe there is a correlation between sat scores and success in college.

Again, that is so topical. The question is why. Most are first time college students. Where do they get guidance. I didn't get any. Why are there grades lower. As I stated before, Kavitha Cardoza did a great series on NPR and found some enlightening information on why this happens. In addition, the Posse Foundation has also studied this. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

All I know is that I got a 900 on the SAT (out of 1600), graduated from high school with a 2.73. Graduated from college with a 3.5, law school top 5% of my class (top tier school) and passed 2 bars on the first try. Boy those SAT scores really dictated my future.

I'm not going back and forth since you already like your narrative. Go with it.

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Anonymous wrote:...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.

If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance:

http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/

They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender. The sample size was 1.2 million college students.

This has been refuted. High SAT scores are correlated to high SES. When I get a moment, I will post. Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.

No, this hasn't been refuted. It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data). Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.

What will it prove? That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college? That only a subset of our population deserve to be there? That colleges should only use test scores for admission? That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well? Please - illuminate me.

Yes? Do you think everybody is college material?

No, I actually don't. But those who want to go to college, should.

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Anonymous wrote:...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.

If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance:

http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/

They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender. The sample size was 1.2 million college students.

This has been refuted. High SAT scores are correlated to high SES. When I get a moment, I will post. Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.

No, this hasn't been refuted. It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data). Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.

What will it prove? That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college? That only a subset of our population deserve to be there? That colleges should only use test scores for admission? That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well? Please - illuminate me.

...especially since there is a huge wealth gap between those who go and those who don't.

Yes? Do you think everybody is college material?

No, I actually don't. But those who want to go to college, should.

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Anonymous wrote:...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.

If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance:

http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/

They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender. The sample size was 1.2 million college students.

This has been refuted. High SAT scores are correlated to high SES. When I get a moment, I will post. Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.

No, this hasn't been refuted. It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data). Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.

What will it prove? That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college? That only a subset of our population deserve to be there? That colleges should only use test scores for admission? That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well? Please - illuminate me.

Yes? Do you think everybody is college material?

Anonymous wrote:Blacks have lower sat scores, tend to major in easier majors in college, have lower grades than whites/Asians and have lower graduation rates.

Maybe there is a correlation between sat scores and success in college.

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Anonymous wrote:...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.

If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance:

http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/

They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender. The sample size was 1.2 million college students.

This has been refuted. High SAT scores are correlated to high SES. When I get a moment, I will post. Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.

No, this hasn't been refuted. It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data). Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.

What will it prove? That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college? That only a subset of our population deserve to be there? That colleges should only use test scores for admission? That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well? Please - illuminate me.

Yes? Do you think everybody is college material?