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Anonymous wrote:Surprised by the low number of SPED at MV. For such a big school - that's pretty low.

Not as low as Basis. That's actually quite disturbing, but then they just kick kids out.

Actually are quite a few 'higher' performing schools with disturbingly low levels of SPED students.

SWW High School - .7%
Banneker - 2.4%
McKinley - 2%
Ellington - 4.6%

But those are all admissions schools--you have to take a test to get in and have a certain GPA. Plus there's an interview at SWW, an audition at Ellington, etc. MV and BASIS are lottery schools--they have to take anyone who enters and gets in through the lottery. So you would expect them to have a higher percentage of special ed kids. Now maybe sped parents just aren't entering the lottery for those schools. But it would be weird for sped parents to be much more willing to enter the lottery for LAMB, DC Bilingual, Stokes, etc. and not MV. Is it possible that MV is just more generous in paying for private placements for sped kids and gets them out of the school?

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Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354

If these are the best performing schools what are the worst.!?!

Less than .20-.10 percent scoring 4+

Just like YY started out struggling on paper as far as scores are concerned, ITS and MV will be on par with YY in a few years. They have matching demographics and no reason not to succeed. By every indication, families love it there. PP pointed out that the 3rd graders (I think kids that started there in PK4) are in the mid 50s.

ITS and MV have different admissions entry options than YY. Also, until last year YY had time stamp waitlists which one could guess helped ensure dedicated families attending.

Sorry, what would those be? Don't they all use the common lottery as the entry point? And don't both MV and YY have grade cut-offs, after which a student is deemed too old/far behind to catch up with the target language?

YY has always been perceived to have benefited from the fairly high SES of its population.

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Anonymous wrote:Surprised by the low number of SPED at MV. For such a big school - that's pretty low.

Not as low as Basis. That's actually quite disturbing, but then they just kick kids out.

Actually are quite a few 'higher' performing schools with disturbingly low levels of SPED students.

SWW High School - .7%
Banneker - 2.4%
McKinley - 2%
Ellington - 4.6%

But those are all admissions schools--you have to take a test to get in and have a certain GPA. Plus there's an interview at SWW, an audition at Ellington, etc. MV and BASIS are lottery schools--they have to take anyone who enters and gets in through the lottery. So you would expect them to have a higher percentage of special ed kids. Now maybe sped parents just aren't entering the lottery for those schools. But it would be weird for sped parents to be much more willing to enter the lottery for LAMB, DC Bilingual, Stokes, etc. and not MV. Is it possible that MV is just more generous in paying for private placements for sped kids and gets them out of the school?

Anonymous wrote:How does DCPS explain the 1.5% for ELA @ Amidon? Disgraceful and doesn't bode well for the pipedream of a Jefferson MS renaissance.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else take notice of Ludlow Taylor's scores relative to last year's miraculous improvement on DCCASS? Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.........................

L-T scores are not bad at all on this new test either.
Math is in the 40% (same as Maury); they did not do well at all in ELA.

Did you also post the same general accusation on the LA to Capitol Hill-ES thread?

I don't think you are correct in your suspicions. I do think L-T needs to improve their scores in ELA, and then they will be at least as good as Maury, even with a lot more economically disadvantaged kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354

If these are the best performing schools what are the worst.!?!

Less than .20-.10 percent scoring 4+

Just like YY started out struggling on paper as far as scores are concerned, ITS and MV will be on par with YY in a few years. They have matching demographics and no reason not to succeed. By every indication, families love it there. PP pointed out that the 3rd graders (I think kids that started there in PK4) are in the mid 50s.

ITS and MV have different admissions entry options than YY. Also, until last year YY had time stamp waitlists which one could guess helped ensure dedicated families attending.

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Anonymous wrote:Surprised by the low number of SPED at MV. For such a big school - that's pretty low.

Not as low as Basis. That's actually quite disturbing, but then they just kick kids out.

Actually are quite a few 'higher' performing schools with disturbingly low levels of SPED students.

SWW High School - .7%
Banneker - 2.4%
McKinley - 2%
Ellington - 4.6%

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Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354

Can you do the same list with the percentage of economically disadvantaged added? Would be helpful seeing which schools do the best with the poorer students. Thanks!

Actually, all of these schools have fewer than 25 economically disadvantage, which is pretty surprising given the size of many of them...

Brent ES
Capitol Hill Montessori School at Logan
Creative Minds International PCS
Eagle Academy PCS New Jersey Avenue Campus
Harmony DC PCS-School of Excellence
Janney ES
Key ES
Lafayette ES
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS
Mann ES
Richard Wright PCS for Journalism and Media Arts
Roots PCS
Ross ES
School Within School at Goding
Shining Stars Montessori Academy PCS
Stoddert ES
Washington Yu Ying PCS

I just want to point out that LAMB has 24% economically disadvantaged. So it's only just under your 25% limit. Some of these schools are in single digits.

Good Point : )

No, pointless. PP doesn't understand the rules of engagement. It's 25 students in the subset, not 25%.

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Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354

Can you do the same list with the percentage of economically disadvantaged added? Would be helpful seeing which schools do the best with the poorer students. Thanks!

Actually, all of these schools have fewer than 25 economically disadvantage, which is pretty surprising given the size of many of them...

Brent ES
Capitol Hill Montessori School at Logan
Creative Minds International PCS
Eagle Academy PCS New Jersey Avenue Campus
Harmony DC PCS-School of Excellence
Janney ES
Key ES
Lafayette ES
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS
Mann ES
Richard Wright PCS for Journalism and Media Arts
Roots PCS
Ross ES
School Within School at Goding
Shining Stars Montessori Academy PCS
Stoddert ES
Washington Yu Ying PCS

I just want to point out that LAMB has 24% economically disadvantaged. So it's only just under your 25% limit. Some of these schools are in single digits.

Good Point : )

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Anonymous wrote:Surprised by the low number of SPED at MV. For such a big school - that's pretty low.

Not as low as Basis. That's actually quite disturbing, but then they just kick kids out.

Anonymous wrote:Surprised by the low number of SPED at MV. For such a big school - that's pretty low.

Anonymous wrote:Common sense dictates that the Upper NW DCPS schools are better than all those EotP in a definitive way, mainly because they've been well-resourced and run (read primarily serving highly educated parents) for two or three decades. By contrast, the small number of predominantly white/high SES DCPS elementary schools and school-within-a-school programs EotP--Maury, Brent, Tyler Spanish Immersion, SWS--have been attracting a good many neighborhood families for under a decade. They still have a lot to learn from the way JKLM and co. do business. A better crafted and implemented PARCC test would surely point up disparities in the quality of education on offer, even on the upper echelon of DCPS.

Wonder what's going on at DCI MS. They're waiting for more white/Asian/high SES YY and MV kids to grow up to raise their scores? Buyer beware.

Anonymous wrote:Folks seem to be worried that "less able" kids will impede their own child's learning, or hope that higher performing kids will improve it. That, in principle, seems to make sense. Other smart kids should challenge my own. Children who struggle with learning may demand more of the teacher's time and take away from my own children.

But the data for WOTP elementary schools don't seem to bear that out. As others have pointed out, the scores of white children across most WOTP schools are the same (statistically at least, though that is hard to gauge given this is the first time the test has been administered). Rather the differences seem entirely a result of a yawning achievement gap between white and black students and between economically advantaged and disadvantaged (to use the term provided by the test results). Perhaps that is because AA or economically disadvantaged students in these schools are not behavioral problems. Or perhaps as much as we think we are devoting more resources to help economically disadvantaged children, that in fact is a bit of a fantasy or woefully not enough (or for some, nothing much that schools can do), and the result leaves economically advantaged children (where WOTP white children largely fall) unaffected.

One last thought, it may still be the case that being around other high performing children has some benefit. These data are not definitive. But I might note that being around a diverse set of children -- economically, culturally, racially, etc.. -- may also have lifelong benefits equally or of even greater importance. Benefits that do not show up on a test, but that make for well-rounded and more understanding citizens.