jsteele
Post 09/22/2015 18:07     Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm able to access the WSJ journal article. Policy changes were made under Obama.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324024004578171561230647852

American soldiers should brace for a "social-cultural shock" when meeting Afghan soldiers and avoid potentially fatal confrontations by steering clear of subjects including women's rights, religion and Taliban misdeeds, according to a controversial draft of a military handbook being prepared for troops heading to the region.



That is the best source that I've ever seen regarding this topic. But, as the other poster pointed out, is there any evidence that this was ever anything more than a draft? Given the opposition it generated, I'd be surprised if it made it past draft status.


There at least two facing discharge and/or charges. Obama has done what?


+1 Thats the proof right there staring you in your face.


Not necessarily proof of anything. They only discharge and/or charges that can come have to come as due process in accordance with the UCMJ and if the soldier in question assaulted the Afghan policeman that is likely why he would be charged. I suspect he did a bit more than merely "push" the Afghan. There is nothing in the UCMJ that supports the story of "being punished for calling out a pedophile."

The manual appears to have never made it beyond draft and the commanding general in Afghanistan has said he never supported or ordered any such doctrine or policy.


yes keep asserting yourself it is some procedural thing when now more major newspapers are picking this up and saying otherwise.


Please point to one major newspaper that says soldiers are being punished as a result of changes in procedures made by Obama.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:59     Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Eight years of it I can completely understand a learning curve but six years in is policy..this stuff is not a secret. People.i know who've been there have told me about it for years and years
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:56     Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This happened with ethnic Pashtuns when the British were there over 100 years ago. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/21/world/kandahar-journal-shh-it-s-an-open-secret-warlords-and-pedophilia.html


I guess we are to understand that's Obama's fault too.

Too much irrational conservative thinking going on around here...


Noone said anything like that. We are saying that turning a blind eye to it on our military bases and punishing soldiers who say otherwise is tacit condoning of child rape which is fundamentally against basic human rights and american values. Be it conservative or liberal. And yes, this is happening under obama's administration.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:54     Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm able to access the WSJ journal article. Policy changes were made under Obama.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324024004578171561230647852

American soldiers should brace for a "social-cultural shock" when meeting Afghan soldiers and avoid potentially fatal confrontations by steering clear of subjects including women's rights, religion and Taliban misdeeds, according to a controversial draft of a military handbook being prepared for troops heading to the region.



That is the best source that I've ever seen regarding this topic. But, as the other poster pointed out, is there any evidence that this was ever anything more than a draft? Given the opposition it generated, I'd be surprised if it made it past draft status.


There at least two facing discharge and/or charges. Obama has done what?


+1 Thats the proof right there staring you in your face.


Not necessarily proof of anything. They only discharge and/or charges that can come have to come as due process in accordance with the UCMJ and if the soldier in question assaulted the Afghan policeman that is likely why he would be charged. I suspect he did a bit more than merely "push" the Afghan. There is nothing in the UCMJ that supports the story of "being punished for calling out a pedophile."

The manual appears to have never made it beyond draft and the commanding general in Afghanistan has said he never supported or ordered any such doctrine or policy.


yes keep asserting yourself it is some procedural thing when now more major newspapers are picking this up and saying otherwise.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:52     Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The draft says that Afghan Security Forces are dishonest, lack personal integrity, gutless and basically stupid. So we let this trash (monster) in as immigrants and refugees?


yeah..actually its a concern. With the stream of refugees flooding in, some of them from afghanistan, wonder whether the naive germans realize they're importing a culture of paedophilia into their own land.


It's much more than a stream. It's like a continuous flash flood.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:52     Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Anonymous wrote:This happened with ethnic Pashtuns when the British were there over 100 years ago. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/21/world/kandahar-journal-shh-it-s-an-open-secret-warlords-and-pedophilia.html


I guess we are to understand that's Obama's fault too.

Too much irrational conservative thinking going on around here...
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:51     Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The draft says that Afghan Security Forces are dishonest, lack personal integrity, gutless and basically stupid. So we let this trash (monster) in as immigrants and refugees?


yeah..actually its a concern. With the stream of refugees flooding in, some of them from afghanistan, wonder whether the naive germans realize they're importing a culture of paedophilia into their own land.


And Germany is much more liberal than Australia which released that Afghan pedophile because "that's part of their culture." WTF?! How about if my culture says I can castrate MF-ers like that?
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:50     Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm able to access the WSJ journal article. Policy changes were made under Obama.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324024004578171561230647852

American soldiers should brace for a "social-cultural shock" when meeting Afghan soldiers and avoid potentially fatal confrontations by steering clear of subjects including women's rights, religion and Taliban misdeeds, according to a controversial draft of a military handbook being prepared for troops heading to the region.



That is the best source that I've ever seen regarding this topic. But, as the other poster pointed out, is there any evidence that this was ever anything more than a draft? Given the opposition it generated, I'd be surprised if it made it past draft status.


There at least two facing discharge and/or charges. Obama has done what?


+1 Thats the proof right there staring you in your face.


Not necessarily proof of anything. They only discharge and/or charges that can come have to come as due process in accordance with the UCMJ and if the soldier in question assaulted the Afghan policeman that is likely why he would be charged. I suspect he did a bit more than merely "push" the Afghan. There is nothing in the UCMJ that supports the story of "being punished for calling out a pedophile."

The manual appears to have never made it beyond draft and the commanding general in Afghanistan has said he never supported or ordered any such doctrine or policy.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:37     Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Anonymous wrote:The draft says that Afghan Security Forces are dishonest, lack personal integrity, gutless and basically stupid. So we let this trash (monster) in as immigrants and refugees?


yeah..actually its a concern. With the stream of refugees flooding in, some of them from afghanistan, wonder whether the naive germans realize they're importing a culture of paedophilia into their own land.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:36     Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm able to access the WSJ journal article. Policy changes were made under Obama.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324024004578171561230647852

American soldiers should brace for a "social-cultural shock" when meeting Afghan soldiers and avoid potentially fatal confrontations by steering clear of subjects including women's rights, religion and Taliban misdeeds, according to a controversial draft of a military handbook being prepared for troops heading to the region.



That is the best source that I've ever seen regarding this topic. But, as the other poster pointed out, is there any evidence that this was ever anything more than a draft? Given the opposition it generated, I'd be surprised if it made it past draft status.


There at least two facing discharge and/or charges. Obama has done what?


+1 Thats the proof right there staring you in your face.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:33     Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

The draft says that Afghan Security Forces are dishonest, lack personal integrity, gutless and basically stupid. So we let this trash (monster) in as immigrants and refugees?
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:26     Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm able to access the WSJ journal article. Policy changes were made under Obama.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324024004578171561230647852

American soldiers should brace for a "social-cultural shock" when meeting Afghan soldiers and avoid potentially fatal confrontations by steering clear of subjects including women's rights, religion and Taliban misdeeds, according to a controversial draft of a military handbook being prepared for troops heading to the region.



That is the best source that I've ever seen regarding this topic. But, as the other poster pointed out, is there any evidence that this was ever anything more than a draft? Given the opposition it generated, I'd be surprised if it made it past draft status.


There at least two facing discharge and/or charges. Obama has done what?
jsteele
Post 09/22/2015 17:12     Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Anonymous wrote:I'm able to access the WSJ journal article. Policy changes were made under Obama.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324024004578171561230647852

American soldiers should brace for a "social-cultural shock" when meeting Afghan soldiers and avoid potentially fatal confrontations by steering clear of subjects including women's rights, religion and Taliban misdeeds, according to a controversial draft of a military handbook being prepared for troops heading to the region.



That is the best source that I've ever seen regarding this topic. But, as the other poster pointed out, is there any evidence that this was ever anything more than a draft? Given the opposition it generated, I'd be surprised if it made it past draft status.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 17:01     Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

Has CAIR that went ape-shit over Carson's remarks about Muslims and the presidency taken a stand on the rape of these kids?
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2015 16:59     Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

There only seems to be mention of a draft handbook. I can't find any reference to a final handbook and it doesn't appear anywhere in their list of publications... http://usacac.army.mil/organizations/mccoe/call/publications

I can't find anywhere that it is official doctrine.