Anonymous
05/07/2015 06:47
Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:I've been thinking all week about Joan's storyline from this last episode. I actually felt like I'd been punched in the stomach, watching and listening to the misogyny she was subjected to, especially the scene with Ferg when he's practically licking his lips at the thought of a business trip together, and then, totally amazing, her scene with the head guy (Hobart?) in his office. She is absolutely stunning. I love that they've written in a good man for her during this most difficult stretch of her work-life.
+1. My female coworkers and I gave been talking about this. Even though women still do not get treated as well as men, we all agreed that we have never been harassed by a boss or coworker. I am sure that it still goes on today, but that episode really hit home.
Anonymous
05/07/2015 05:56
Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:I've been thinking all week about Joan's storyline from this last episode. I actually felt like I'd been punched in the stomach, watching and listening to the misogyny she was subjected to, especially the scene with Ferg when he's practically licking his lips at the thought of a business trip together, and then, totally amazing, her scene with the head guy (Hobart?) in his office. She is absolutely stunning. I love that they've written in a good man for her during this most difficult stretch of her work-life.
I hope he's a good man. We really know absolutely zero. He's basically an extended one night stand who lives on another coast.
Anonymous
05/06/2015 22:48
Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
I've been thinking all week about Joan's storyline from this last episode. I actually felt like I'd been punched in the stomach, watching and listening to the misogyny she was subjected to, especially the scene with Ferg when he's practically licking his lips at the thought of a business trip together, and then, totally amazing, her scene with the head guy (Hobart?) in his office. She is absolutely stunning. I love that they've written in a good man for her during this most difficult stretch of her work-life.
Anonymous
05/06/2015 12:37
Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Enough with that damn waitress!!!
There was nothing special about her, that's for sure.
Very unattractive.
Anonymous
05/06/2015 11:46
Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
I was wondering if the hippie might become the next Don Draper (kill/rob/or Don just gives it to him). Don had his social security card, cash, and some other ID in his pocket, his secretary gave it to him.
Anonymous
05/06/2015 11:21
Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
I think he left because he realized he was one of many on the campaign, no longer unique. Business is more rigid there, everyone had notebooks and pens. It was completely different than where he came from, where he was top dog and could speak off the cuff.
Exactly my thought. He's no longer a big fish.
Anonymous
05/06/2015 11:19
Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
I thought this was thought-provoking, regarding Diana. I tend to agree with the author (was written a few episodes ago, but I think still holds true). http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/mad-men-purpose-diana-anxiety-790005
"With Megan in California and effectively an "ex," Don is free to enjoy the Swinging '70s right out of the gate. The first episode shows him happy, dating, screwing, etc. — he had calls in from four women as if to suggest that he's just a slightly younger version of Roger, salving his unhappiness with booze and women.
Until Rachel dies.
Until he realizes that even Betty and Henry (and the boys) seem happy.
It's becoming clear that "the life not lived" is going to haunt him. This remains entirely consistent with the main theme of Mad Men.
And then Don meets Diana, whom he thinks he knows — not just from somewhere, but somehow knows, truly and deeply. The second-half premiere introduces Diana in a very odd, almost dream-like way. Last week's episode diluted the semi-fugue-state feel but kept Don interested in Diana — just not how many people seem to think.
Diana is different from the stewardess and the model and whoever else might be calling Don every night. Post-Rachel's-death, he's a changed man — which is both a consistent development for the series and a significant plot point that Weiner is trying to spotlight in this last rush to the end. As a character, Don has to wake up to the sum of his life experiences to this point. Rachel's death is an epiphany and Diana's arrival is … something else. ......
......First, don't think of Diana as some last-minute add-on. As the visionary creator who has guided Mad Men this impressively and this far, Weiner is introducing this character because she's a connecting rod to his story about Don — there's meaning to what Diana represents to Don. Whatever she turns out to be, Weiner put considerable thought into it. Give the man credit for that at least. She's not a creation he's throwing into the final seven episodes as a diversion or a place-holder (like Sylvia was). Diana matters somehow."
"With Megan in California and effectively an "ex," Don is free to enjoy the Swinging '70s right out of the gate. The first episode shows him happy, dating, screwing, etc. — he had calls in from four women as if to suggest that he's just a slightly younger version of Roger, salving his unhappiness with booze and women.
Until Rachel dies.
Until he realizes that even Betty and Henry (and the boys) seem happy.
It's becoming clear that "the life not lived" is going to haunt him. This remains entirely consistent with the main theme of Mad Men.
And then Don meets Diana, whom he thinks he knows — not just from somewhere, but somehow knows, truly and deeply. The second-half premiere introduces Diana in a very odd, almost dream-like way. Last week's episode diluted the semi-fugue-state feel but kept Don interested in Diana — just not how many people seem to think.
Diana is different from the stewardess and the model and whoever else might be calling Don every night. Post-Rachel's-death, he's a changed man — which is both a consistent development for the series and a significant plot point that Weiner is trying to spotlight in this last rush to the end. As a character, Don has to wake up to the sum of his life experiences to this point. Rachel's death is an epiphany and Diana's arrival is … something else. ......
......First, don't think of Diana as some last-minute add-on. As the visionary creator who has guided Mad Men this impressively and this far, Weiner is introducing this character because she's a connecting rod to his story about Don — there's meaning to what Diana represents to Don. Whatever she turns out to be, Weiner put considerable thought into it. Give the man credit for that at least. She's not a creation he's throwing into the final seven episodes as a diversion or a place-holder (like Sylvia was). Diana matters somehow."
Anonymous
05/06/2015 11:10
Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:Enough with that damn waitress!!!
There was nothing special about her, that's for sure.
Anonymous
05/06/2015 11:08
Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Enough with that damn waitress!!!
Anonymous
05/06/2015 10:07
Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:Question...Why did Don leave the meeting? Was it because he saw the plane and immediately thought of Diane and wanted to see her, or was it something else that I missed?
I think he left because he realized he was one of many on the campaign, no longer unique. Business is more rigid there, everyone had notebooks and pens. It was completely different than where he came from, where he was top dog and could speak off the cuff.
Anonymous
05/06/2015 09:55
Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Question...Why did Don leave the meeting? Was it because he saw the plane and immediately thought of Diane and wanted to see her, or was it something else that I missed?
Anonymous
05/06/2015 06:16
Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:I think Peggy is the new Roger, as opposed to the new Don, which is what she has always wanted to aspire to.
I think that is the end of Don at McCann. I doubt, with two episodes left, that we will see him back in an ad office. Once he heard the Miller guy tell Ted the same thing the big wigs at McCann tell Don, he knew this was not where he wanted to be. Plus, not like he needs the rest of his money.
I wouldn't be surprised if Peggy leaves and she and Joan do their own thing - I would love that.
I was 100% behind Joan's decision. No sense in trying to take on the big McCann; just take your money and go. I hope that wasn't the last we see of her.
Looks like the next episode is where we get closure with Betty.
Was the hippie that was in the car with Don at the end supposed to be a young version of Don? Did anyone think he kind of resembled Don? Maybe more like they are both roaming, looking for something even though their appearances are 100% different? I don't know if that is what they were trying to get at or not.
LOVED the scene with Peggy and Roger. Her character's metamorphosis has by far been the best I have seen since Walter White.
Yes, to the point where I wondered whether it was actually Jon Hamm -- like a kind of Orphan Black thing.
Anonymous
05/05/2015 22:47
Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
Joan told the McCann guy that Peggy was head copywriter at Sterling - and the McCann guy replied to the effect of "unlikely that will be the case here."
Anonymous
05/05/2015 22:14
Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Joan=jianyun
Anonymous
05/05/2015 22:13
Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I loved this episode. Agree that the scene with Peggy and Roger was awesome, as was Peggy's final scene as she entered the office. However, overall it was really sad - notwithstanding Joan's and Peggy's professional achievements, they are back to being demoted to "a woman's place."
That's true for Joan, but I don't think its true for Peggy. She has her accounts, she has her office - remember they "employed" her as a senior creative.
I suspect the nonsense with Peggy's office was foreshadowing how dispensible she will be at McCann. Plus they sent her flowers like all the secretaries, and the head of the agency made a reference to Peggy not having the same status at McCann as she did at Sterling Cooper.
The mccan guy said jianyun didnt have the same status, not Peggy.