Anonymous wrote: think Trinity CT is a party school for NE and Mid-Atlantic Prep school kids. That's how it was seen when I was in school 20 some odd years. Definitely see it as school of choice for STA bottom quintile boys and maybe bottom third for Prep and Landon.

Bowdoin, Middlebury, Hamilton and Colby were kind of seen this way too, but I feel like those schools are getting away from that rep.

Still trying to wrap my head around the fact Trinity accepts 30% of applicants.

Middlebury, Bowdoin ...your information is more than 20 years old. You shoudl be on the dcurbangrandmom site

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan used to be so much easier -- even five years ago B- students could get in. No longer.

Man, stuff changes quickly. I made a comment about Michigan based on this very comment. And it was B- kids getting into Michigan as recently as 3 years ago. I guess that's why it's very dangerous for anyone to draw up a list of who goes where based on grades. It changes in the blink of an eye. Best to use info from multiple sources such as Naviance, Common Data Set, Fiske guides and even USNEWS.

Anonymous wrote:Michigan used to be so much easier -- even five years ago B- students could get in. No longer.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I have an 3.5 student at a Big 3 with significant sports/activities and generally rigorous classes. Likely merit semifinalist and SAT 2300. Are the Ivies out of range? Even with legacy status? I want to be practical about the admissions process.

Has a shot but grades are pretty low. Lot's of Ivy applicants have perfect grades, perfect scores and nationally recognized talent.

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Anonymous wrote:Completely anecdotal from my DD's school over the past few years... assume $ isn't a factor because then it is a different game. This is reflective of a typical UMC unhooked student (did not include the student with Cs who is now at Stanford due to parental sway and boat loads of $$$$$ etc.

A student: Ivies, MIT, CalTech, Williams, Amherst etc.

A/B Student: Michigan, William & Mary, Pomona, Bowdoin, Ivy Specialty Schools(I.e. Cornell Human Ecology, Upenn Nursing etc.), Wellesley, Lehigh, UCLA etc.

B student: Bates, Colby, Hamilton, BC, BU, Oberlin, Mcallister, Carleton, Scripps, Pitzer, Spellman, GWU, Washington & Lee, UT Austin, Villanova, Wisconsin, USC etc.

B/C student: Pepperdine, SMU, College of Charleston, Elon, High Point, Clark, Conn College, Trinity, Dickinson, Denison Muhlenberg, Ithaca, Lewis and Clark, UDel, Drexel, American, Kenyon, Rollins, Random southern state schools (Ole Miss, University of South Carolina, UGA)

This poster would benefit from looking at the Common Data Sets for these schools. Michigan, BU, Lehigh are easier to get into than most of the colleges listed in the B student category - except GW, Villanova and Wisconsin. Also, the B/C category combines third tier and second tier schools - you don't get into Conn Collge, Trinity, or Kenyon with a C average. Look at the Common Data Sets if you're really interested OP. Go to the institutional research tab on a given college's website.

The common data set is misleading for state schools like Michigan and UVA though. The admission and data often reflects lower stats for in state students. They both have admit rates in the low 20s for out of state.

Good point re state schools. I still think that Michigan is easier to get into many if not most of the schools on the B list though. Maybe not UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Completely anecdotal from my DD's school over the past few years... assume $ isn't a factor because then it is a different game. This is reflective of a typical UMC unhooked student (did not include the student with Cs who is now at Stanford due to parental sway and boat loads of $$$$$ etc.

A student: Ivies, MIT, CalTech, Williams, Amherst etc.

A/B Student: Michigan, William & Mary, Pomona, Bowdoin, Ivy Specialty Schools(I.e. Cornell Human Ecology, Upenn Nursing etc.), Wellesley, Lehigh, UCLA etc.

B student: Bates, Colby, Hamilton, BC, BU, Oberlin, Mcallister, Carleton, Scripps, Pitzer, Spellman, GWU, Washington & Lee, UT Austin, Villanova, Wisconsin, USC etc.

B/C student: Pepperdine, SMU, College of Charleston, Elon, High Point, Clark, Conn College, Trinity, Dickinson, Denison Muhlenberg, Ithaca, Lewis and Clark, UDel, Drexel, American, Kenyon, Rollins, Random southern state schools (Ole Miss, University of South Carolina, UGA)

This poster would benefit from looking at the Common Data Sets for these schools. Michigan, BU, Lehigh are easier to get into than most of the colleges listed in the B student category - except GW, Villanova and Wisconsin. Also, the B/C category combines third tier and second tier schools - you don't get into Conn Collge, Trinity, or Kenyon with a C average. Look at the Common Data Sets if you're really interested OP. Go to the institutional research tab on a given college's website.

The common data set is misleading for state schools like Michigan and UVA though. The admission and data often reflects lower stats for in state students. They both have admit rates in the low 20s for out of state.

Good point re state schools. I still think that Michigan is easier to get into many if not most of the schools on the B list though. Maybe not UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Completely anecdotal from my DD's school over the past few years... assume $ isn't a factor because then it is a different game. This is reflective of a typical UMC unhooked student (did not include the student with Cs who is now at Stanford due to parental sway and boat loads of $$$$$ etc.

A student: Ivies, MIT, CalTech, Williams, Amherst etc.

A/B Student: Michigan, William & Mary, Pomona, Bowdoin, Ivy Specialty Schools(I.e. Cornell Human Ecology, Upenn Nursing etc.), Wellesley, Lehigh, UCLA etc.

B student: Bates, Colby, Hamilton, BC, BU, Oberlin, Mcallister, Carleton, Scripps, Pitzer, Spellman, GWU, Washington & Lee, UT Austin, Villanova, Wisconsin, USC etc.

B/C student: Pepperdine, SMU, College of Charleston, Elon, High Point, Clark, Conn College, Trinity, Dickinson, Denison Muhlenberg, Ithaca, Lewis and Clark, UDel, Drexel, American, Kenyon, Rollins, Random southern state schools (Ole Miss, University of South Carolina, UGA)

This poster would benefit from looking at the Common Data Sets for these schools. Michigan, BU, Lehigh are easier to get into than most of the colleges listed in the B student category - except GW, Villanova and Wisconsin. Also, the B/C category combines third tier and second tier schools - you don't get into Conn Collge, Trinity, or Kenyon with a C average. Look at the Common Data Sets if you're really interested OP. Go to the institutional research tab on a given college's website.

The common data set is misleading for state schools like Michigan and UVA though. The admission and data often reflects lower stats for in state students. They both have admit rates in the low 20s for out of state.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I have an 3.5 student at a Big 3 with significant sports/activities and generally rigorous classes. Likely merit semifinalist and SAT 2300. Are the Ivies out of range? Even with legacy status? I want to be practical about the admissions process.

You need to ask the college counselor - they will have a much better feel for your DCs chances. Legacy may help if you also do ED/SCEA. Otherwise your kid sounds like all the other Ivy applicants so probably won't stand out. I'd aim for a few Ivies as reaches but a much more realistic set of target schools, particularly those that like high scores like Wash U.

Statistically speaking, Ivies are "reaches" for every candidate. The vast majority of applicants with 4.0 GPAs are rejected by Harvard. The majority of 2400 SATs are rejected by Harvard. Don't believe me, check for yourself. The message should not be to discourage application to these schools, but to improve your odds of ultimate success by applying to some schools that are less of a reach. This statement applies to everyone. Dream big but plan smart.

Anonymous wrote:So, I have an 3.5 student at a Big 3 with significant sports/activities and generally rigorous classes. Likely merit semifinalist and SAT 2300. Are the Ivies out of range? Even with legacy status? I want to be practical about the admissions process.

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Anonymous wrote:What about schools like Vanderbilt, Emory, Rice (strong Southern schools)?

Vanderbilt and Rice -- A/B students

Emory -- B students

all 3 of these schools are becoming increasingly popular among DC-area applicants

Anonymous wrote:I think Trinity CT is a party school for NE and Mid-Atlantic Prep school kids. That's how it was seen when I was in school 20 some odd years. Definitely see it as school of choice for STA bottom quintile boys and maybe bottom third for Prep and Landon.

Bowdoin, Middlebury, Hamilton and Colby were kind of seen this way too, but I feel like those schools are getting away from that rep.

Still trying to wrap my head around the fact Trinity accepts 30% of applicants.