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Anonymous wrote:^ this. Per capita, the hill is no worse than any of a dozen other neighborhoods in DC.

Also, just because you didn't use a name doesn't mean you weren't invoking someone's personal tragedy (one that we would all recognize) to justify your real estate decisions. Why do you care so much?!

so do you care when people refer to Rudd?

When has anyone used Relisha Rudd as a talking point in a real estate discussion? You should be ashamed of yourself.

When it comes to where would you live in DC and why, these incidents are facts. Try to remove the emotion out of things. If someone were interested in moving near DC general, it would certainly be brought up. I haven't seen one indecent comment. Just facts.

Lots of people are interested in the area near DC general (Hill East) and AFAICT when that is discussed, no one talks about Rudd? why would they, that happened inside the homeless shelter.

like %99 of DCUM topics, this started as a schools question and has devolved into one about real estate.

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Anonymous wrote:^ this. Per capita, the hill is no worse than any of a dozen other neighborhoods in DC.

Also, just because you didn't use a name doesn't mean you weren't invoking someone's personal tragedy (one that we would all recognize) to justify your real estate decisions. Why do you care so much?!

so do you care when people refer to Rudd?

When has anyone used Relisha Rudd as a talking point in a real estate discussion? You should be ashamed of yourself.

When it comes to where would you live in DC and why, these incidents are facts. Try to remove the emotion out of things. If someone were interested in moving near DC general, it would certainly be brought up. I haven't seen one indecent comment. Just facts.

Lots of people are interested in the area near DC general (Hill East) and AFAICT when that is discussed, no one talks about Rudd? why would they, that happened inside the homeless shelter.

I've lived on the Hill for 30 years (since HS). I love the Hill and consider the many advantages to living here as an adequate balance to the occasional crime. I have never been a victim of a crime other than 1 package stolen off my porch, out of a million Amazon orders -- I order everything from Amazon. I know the Maslins and what they went through was extraordinary and hideous. They are an amazing family and the community really came through to support them. As the community has come together to support other causes.

I'm not quite sure if 30 years ago I had gotten my roots settled in Upper NW, I would love that neighborhood just as much. The Hill sucks you in with the intensity of the community and the support and sense of sticking together that we have. I think that's a huge part of what makes some schools compelling. There's a sense of having come together to improve a place for the betterment of all.

People here, for the most part, care deeply about both the Maaslins and Relisha Rudd. We have taken on the homeless shelter as a source of our charitable giving. Those who have time have been volunteering, others are sending school uniforms and socks/undergarments via an Amazon wish list. Still others are donating money and other resources. Yes, it's hard for middle class people in any neighborhood to remember those who have less. However, I think the Hill does a good job of trying to remember all of our residents, including those at Potomac Gardens (there have been tutoring programs there for years) and the shelter.

We are not perfect but we are justifiably proud of our community and what we do for each other. I know how good those other schools are and I can't say that I would never wish for them for my kids, but we have done well enough here on the Hill. My kids have grown up with a life that is unique in this world and I like that I've been able to give that to them.

Don't reveal your stupidity and try to equate the crime and crimes rates in JKLM and Brent. They are simply NOT THE SAME.

A much better argument would be about whether the difference in crime matters or whether there are enough compensating differentials to make up for the difference in crime. I can't answer about these questions, but I can definitively say there is a difference in crime and it's real.

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Anonymous wrote:Cab drivers refused to go to the Hill in 2010? I'm sorry, I'm calling BS on that. That's ridiculous. You either got one lone crazy cabbie or you live in a part of SE or NE that is not on Capitol Hill. I have lived on Capitol Hill since 2004 and even H Street has been cab central since before 2010.

It happened and still happens pretty damn regularly. I'm sure some of it has to do with being lazy and preferring quick trips around G'town and downtown, however, they use crime as their excuse and it is a valid one. I know a realtor who won't show people houses on the Hill until they've done independent research on crime statistics (just like many realtors won't show homes in Spring Valley until their clients have been informed about the munitions). And yes, per capita, there are plenty of neighborhoods with crime as bad as the Hill's (neighborhoods you probably wouldn't want to live in). However, per capita, crime in the JKLM districts isn't even in the same stratosphere as crime on the Hill.

I can't comprehend why someone would be considering moving into Brent when they could move into a JKLM school, have a safer neighborhood, a better elementary school and decent middle and high school options. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Still happens regularly? If this is happening regularly to you now, it has something to do with you as a passenger and the cab drivers are lying to you.

Yes, the Hill has more crime than upper NW, absolutely. The same things that make it so attractive to us as residents also make it more attractive to crime (lots of walkable bars and restaurants, wealthy neighbors, easy access to metro, bus, and highways to VA and MD). That's an urban trade-off just like smaller houses without big yards.

We could get larger house in upper NW for less than what we paid on the Hill and have a by-right middle school. We choose Capitol Hill because we prefer the neighborhood: the neighbors, the commute (or lack of one), the walkability and amenities. Everything we like to do or need to do (the mall, Nats games, DC United games, the airport, Barracks Row, H Street, Union Market, Eastern Market, the Verizon Center and Penn Quarter restaurants, our offices downtown) are closer to Capitol Hill. We don't need to be close to the zoo or Bethesda and we are extremely happy with Brent.

I agree with you and love Cap Hill, however, it would be disingenuous to omit that one big reason why Cap Hill has more crime is that you are much closer and better connected to the neighborhoods where many of the criminals come from than upper NW. It's up to anyone to decide if they're comfortable with that or not.

+1 I have to admit that I laughed out loud at this one-- the reason that Capitol Hill has more crime is because it is JUST SO AWESOME. Please.

PP you're responding to here. I also love how she included "wealthy neighbors" in the list of things that make Cap Hill attractive to her (and the criminals). I thought this kind of snobbery was supposed to be the hallmark of upper NW.

"The same things that make it so attractive to us as residents also make it more attractive to crime (lots of walkable bars and restaurants, wealthy neighbors, easy access to metro, bus, and highways to VA and MD)"

If that were the case, then why doesn't Bethesda have as much crime as the Hill?

VERY SCARY PLACE!!!

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http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Woman-Sexually-Assaulted-in-NW-DC-Park-253633841.html

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Anonymous wrote:Cab drivers refused to go to the Hill in 2010? I'm sorry, I'm calling BS on that. That's ridiculous. You either got one lone crazy cabbie or you live in a part of SE or NE that is not on Capitol Hill. I have lived on Capitol Hill since 2004 and even H Street has been cab central since before 2010.

It happened and still happens pretty damn regularly. I'm sure some of it has to do with being lazy and preferring quick trips around G'town and downtown, however, they use crime as their excuse and it is a valid one. I know a realtor who won't show people houses on the Hill until they've done independent research on crime statistics (just like many realtors won't show homes in Spring Valley until their clients have been informed about the munitions). And yes, per capita, there are plenty of neighborhoods with crime as bad as the Hill's (neighborhoods you probably wouldn't want to live in). However, per capita, crime in the JKLM districts isn't even in the same stratosphere as crime on the Hill.

I can't comprehend why someone would be considering moving into Brent when they could move into a JKLM school, have a safer neighborhood, a better elementary school and decent middle and high school options. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Still happens regularly? If this is happening regularly to you now, it has something to do with you as a passenger and the cab drivers are lying to you.

Yes, the Hill has more crime than upper NW, absolutely. The same things that make it so attractive to us as residents also make it more attractive to crime (lots of walkable bars and restaurants, wealthy neighbors, easy access to metro, bus, and highways to VA and MD). That's an urban trade-off just like smaller houses without big yards.

We could get larger house in upper NW for less than what we paid on the Hill and have a by-right middle school. We choose Capitol Hill because we prefer the neighborhood: the neighbors, the commute (or lack of one), the walkability and amenities. Everything we like to do or need to do (the mall, Nats games, DC United games, the airport, Barracks Row, H Street, Union Market, Eastern Market, the Verizon Center and Penn Quarter restaurants, our offices downtown) are closer to Capitol Hill. We don't need to be close to the zoo or Bethesda and we are extremely happy with Brent.

I agree with you and love Cap Hill, however, it would be disingenuous to omit that one big reason why Cap Hill has more crime is that you are much closer and better connected to the neighborhoods where many of the criminals come from than upper NW. It's up to anyone to decide if they're comfortable with that or not.

+1 I have to admit that I laughed out loud at this one-- the reason that Capitol Hill has more crime is because it is JUST SO AWESOME. Please.

PP you're responding to here. I also love how she included "wealthy neighbors" in the list of things that make Cap Hill attractive to her (and the criminals). I thought this kind of snobbery was supposed to be the hallmark of upper NW.

"The same things that make it so attractive to us as residents also make it more attractive to crime (lots of walkable bars and restaurants, wealthy neighbors, easy access to metro, bus, and highways to VA and MD)"

If that were the case, then why doesn't Bethesda have as much crime as the Hill?

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Anonymous wrote:Can't we all just bond over the fact that we don't live in the suburbs? Signed, someone nowhere near the Hill or upper NW.

So. So. True!!!

I love living in the city but find this kind of snobbery so annoying. People who live in the city are no better/cooler than those in the suburbs. Talkiabout thinking too much of yourself. If making a caricature out of those who make different choices than you (live in the burbs) makes you feel better about yourself, that is just too bad.

Amen. I choose to live in the District because my and DH's jobs are in DC. But if we worked in Reston I would live in northern VA and learn to love it. Who cares? Get over yourselves.

Anonymous wrote:I wish I could afford enough house to decide between living in upper northwest or Capitol Hill and sending my kids to Brent or a JKLM. All great neighborhoods.

Great note to end the thread on. Good luck, OP!

I wish I could afford enough house to decide between living in upper northwest or Capitol Hill and sending my kids to Brent or a JKLM. All great neighborhoods.

Well, OP. Welcome to DC Honey.

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Anonymous wrote:Can't we all just bond over the fact that we don't live in the suburbs? Signed, someone nowhere near the Hill or upper NW.

So. So. True!!!

I love living in the city but find this kind of snobbery so annoying. People who live in the city are no better/cooler than those in the suburbs. Talkiabout thinking too much of yourself. If making a caricature out of those who make different choices than you (live in the burbs) makes you feel better about yourself, that is just too bad.

Anonymous wrote:Can't we all just bond over the fact that we don't live in the suburbs? Signed, someone nowhere near the Hill or upper NW.

So. So. True!!!