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Anonymous wrote:Of course, there's no way a child would ever claim that parents weren't allowed to help because they wanted to be done faster, and didn't want a lecture!

it's called fear. A first grader who is told "Do NOT got to your parents for help" will be put between a rock and a hard place.

I cannot believe that common core standards state that you aren't allowed to help your children. Maybe there is a school district out there implementing it that way - but I have to say I doubt it. I feel like something is being lost in translation here...

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Why are they not useful for teachers?

They waste the teacher's time. They waste the student's time. They are vague and confusing in some cases.

It wastes the teacher's time and the student's time to gain a thorough understanding of math?

The other PP who thinks it's a waste of time probably just wants their kid to be accelerated as quickly as possible, and under the curriculum using CC standards just won't achieve that. Many educators, including math teachers, have complained about the "mile wide, inch deep" math curriculum. I've stated this before, learning how to add using base 10 is probably the most efficient way of doing math. My DCs are learning how to add using this method under this new curriculum.

I think a lot of people, especially in the DMV area, are highly educated and feel that their education was fine, got them to where they are, so it should be fine for our kids. What these people are not considering is that times have changed, and so the curriculum should change with it. Yes, math is math, but how they learn, how deeply they learn it, making sure they are more exposed to critical thinking than mindless worksheets, is way more important for our kids generation than it was for the parents' and previous generations because they are going to be entering a completely different type of job market than in previous years.

I read an article about what CEOs highly prize in people. It wasn't what they majored in or how great they were in that particular field. It was more about the ability to think critically, pinpoint problems areas, forsee possible issues, and think outside the box. Such skills are related to critical thinking and seeing problems from different angles. I don't think previous curriculums did a lot of that in the early years (ES and MS), especially in math. As another PP noted, math used to be taught like this: "just do this for that problem, and that for the other problem", with no deep explanation as to "why" it was done this or that way.

As stated in other posts, in MCPS, on-track math is taking Algebra by 8th grade, and Calculus by 12th. How does this path translate to "CC math wastes my kid's and teacher's time"?

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/22What-Parents-Rail-Against-Common-Core-Math-259363861.html

Here you go.

OK, I read the article. The article is about parents who have problems with math that school districts call Common Core math. There is no reference in that article to even one single Common Core math standard. Here again is a link to the Common Core math standards:

http://www.corestandards.org/Math/

(I am not the PP who previously linked to the Common Core standards.)

OMFG, I knew you were going here, even while I was reading the article.

How did I know that? Because Common Core is about ultimately control, about taking power away from the parents in order to gain control over students. A true educator would care if parents were experiencing issues when their children came to them for help with basic mathematics. An educator who wants parents to 'butt out' (and I'm being nice) of their child's education would respond EXACTLY as you have.

huh?

Let's make this simple for you. Parents should be an active part of their child's education, including helping them with homework when the child asks - agree or disagree?

Sure but that hasn't changed for us under Common Core.

It hasn't? Then why are children coming home telling their parents their teachers are telling them they cannot ask for homework help from parents?

That hasn't happened at our school. In fact my daughter's teacher emailed me to let me know something I could work on with her at home. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I've had family members in northern states report their kids have said that parents aren't allowed to help with homework because 'they won't understand it'. My guess is they don't want the complaints and want to keep parents in the dark.

In addition, there are numerous articles about parents not being able to help their kids due to the common core changes. Look it up.

not our experience and frankly I don't give a shit - I'll help as I see fit.

Enjoy the eventual backlash.

Okay. I don't foresee a problem though. As I said my daughter's teacher has sent home work for us to work on. I have heard NOTHING from any other parents in MCPS about not being allowed to help with homework. At a certain point I think its better to let the kids work on it themselves but we aren't quite there yet with DD.

Anonymous wrote:For me, the sore points with common core involve the data collection. It's similar with the recent census - all that's required by law is reporting how many people live in your home, and their ages (children or adult). Yet we get forms that we are told MUST be filled out asking the amount of our mortgage, amongst other invasive questions.

When we standardize across a nation what children must learn, and test and test again to be sure they are learning it, we are taking all the creativity out of learning, and we are not responding to individual differences in children. In short, they learn what the standards dictate and to hell with anything else.

You end up teaching to tests. The bribes teachers offer up to try and encourage kids to cram for SOLs is already ridiculous in VA. I don't consider that learning.

what is this requirement?? I've never heard of it

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/22What-Parents-Rail-Against-Common-Core-Math-259363861.html

Here you go.

OK, I read the article. The article is about parents who have problems with math that school districts call Common Core math. There is no reference in that article to even one single Common Core math standard. Here again is a link to the Common Core math standards:

http://www.corestandards.org/Math/

(I am not the PP who previously linked to the Common Core standards.)

OMFG, I knew you were going here, even while I was reading the article.

How did I know that? Because Common Core is about ultimately control, about taking power away from the parents in order to gain control over students. A true educator would care if parents were experiencing issues when their children came to them for help with basic mathematics. An educator who wants parents to 'butt out' (and I'm being nice) of their child's education would respond EXACTLY as you have.

huh?

Let's make this simple for you. Parents should be an active part of their child's education, including helping them with homework when the child asks - agree or disagree?

Sure but that hasn't changed for us under Common Core.

It hasn't? Then why are children coming home telling their parents their teachers are telling them they cannot ask for homework help from parents?

That hasn't happened at our school. In fact my daughter's teacher emailed me to let me know something I could work on with her at home. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I've had family members in northern states report their kids have said that parents aren't allowed to help with homework because 'they won't understand it'. My guess is they don't want the complaints and want to keep parents in the dark.

In addition, there are numerous articles about parents not being able to help their kids due to the common core changes. Look it up.

not our experience and frankly I don't give a shit - I'll help as I see fit.

Enjoy the eventual backlash.

We're in MCPS. None of my DCs' teachers have ever told us we can't help our kids with HW. I've helped both of them numerous times.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, a REAL example please - and don't just give us some supposed "Common Core worksheet" from some viral chain email (because those are full of falsehoods) - cite an ACTUAL and SPECIFIC standard from here: http://www.corestandards.org/read-the-standards/

Not the PP you want an example from, but I find it interesting that you are linking to standards and not interested in an example from a worksheet clearly marked Common Core at the bottom. These worksheets ARE examples.

The PP wanted an example standard because the question was about standards.

And no, writing "Common Core" at the bottom of the worksheet, however clearly, does not turn it into a "Common Core worksheet". Especially because there is no such thing as a Common Core worksheet. Worksheets are curriculum. The Common Core standards are standards. The worksheet may (or may not) be aligned to a Common Core standard.

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/22What-Parents-Rail-Against-Common-Core-Math-259363861.html

Here you go.

OK, I read the article. The article is about parents who have problems with math that school districts call Common Core math. There is no reference in that article to even one single Common Core math standard. Here again is a link to the Common Core math standards:

http://www.corestandards.org/Math/

(I am not the PP who previously linked to the Common Core standards.)

OMFG, I knew you were going here, even while I was reading the article.

How did I know that? Because Common Core is about ultimately control, about taking power away from the parents in order to gain control over students. A true educator would care if parents were experiencing issues when their children came to them for help with basic mathematics. An educator who wants parents to 'butt out' (and I'm being nice) of their child's education would respond EXACTLY as you have.

Which Common Core standard calls for parents to butt out of their child's education?

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Why are they not useful for teachers?

They waste the teacher's time. They waste the student's time. They are vague and confusing in some cases.

It wastes the teacher's time and the student's time to gain a thorough understanding of math?

Anonymous wrote:Gosh. What a waste of good money. Money that could be used to hire more teachers and just let the teachers teach.

Just let the teachers teach what, though? Because "just letting the teachers teach", as we used to do before the whole modern educational reform thing started, didn't work too well:

http://www2.ed.gov/pubs/NatAtRisk/index.html

Anonymous wrote:For me, the sore points with common core involve the data collection. It's similar with the recent census - all that's required by law is reporting how many people live in your home, and their ages (children or adult). Yet we get forms that we are told MUST be filled out asking the amount of our mortgage, amongst other invasive questions.

When we standardize across a nation what children must learn, and test and test again to be sure they are learning it, we are taking all the creativity out of learning, and we are not responding to individual differences in children. In short, they learn what the standards dictate and to hell with anything else.

You end up teaching to tests. The bribes teachers offer up to try and encourage kids to cram for SOLs is already ridiculous in VA. I don't consider that learning.

We're back to #3 -- the Common Core standards are bad because they're standards.

Anonymous wrote:I notice after the WaPo article was posted, crickets ensued.

That's not a "Washington Post article". It's an opinion piece, by these people:

http://www.rethinkingschools.org/about/contact.shtml

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/22What-Parents-Rail-Against-Common-Core-Math-259363861.html

Here you go.

OK, I read the article. The article is about parents who have problems with math that school districts call Common Core math. There is no reference in that article to even one single Common Core math standard. Here again is a link to the Common Core math standards:

http://www.corestandards.org/Math/

(I am not the PP who previously linked to the Common Core standards.)

OMFG, I knew you were going here, even while I was reading the article.

How did I know that? Because Common Core is about ultimately control, about taking power away from the parents in order to gain control over students. A true educator would care if parents were experiencing issues when their children came to them for help with basic mathematics. An educator who wants parents to 'butt out' (and I'm being nice) of their child's education would respond EXACTLY as you have.

huh?

Let's make this simple for you. Parents should be an active part of their child's education, including helping them with homework when the child asks - agree or disagree?

Sure but that hasn't changed for us under Common Core.

It hasn't? Then why are children coming home telling their parents their teachers are telling them they cannot ask for homework help from parents?

That hasn't happened at our school. In fact my daughter's teacher emailed me to let me know something I could work on with her at home. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I've had family members in northern states report their kids have said that parents aren't allowed to help with homework because 'they won't understand it'. My guess is they don't want the complaints and want to keep parents in the dark.

In addition, there are numerous articles about parents not being able to help their kids due to the common core changes. Look it up.

not our experience and frankly I don't give a shit - I'll help as I see fit.

Enjoy the eventual backlash.

Anonymous wrote:Of course, there's no way a child would ever claim that parents weren't allowed to help because they wanted to be done faster, and didn't want a lecture!

it's called fear. A first grader who is told "Do NOT got to your parents for help" will be put between a rock and a hard place.

For me, the sore points with common core involve the data collection. It's similar with the recent census - all that's required by law is reporting how many people live in your home, and their ages (children or adult). Yet we get forms that we are told MUST be filled out asking the amount of our mortgage, amongst other invasive questions.

When we standardize across a nation what children must learn, and test and test again to be sure they are learning it, we are taking all the creativity out of learning, and we are not responding to individual differences in children. In short, they learn what the standards dictate and to hell with anything else.

You end up teaching to tests. The bribes teachers offer up to try and encourage kids to cram for SOLs is already ridiculous in VA. I don't consider that learning.

Of course, there's no way a child would ever claim that parents weren't allowed to help because they wanted to be done faster, and didn't want a lecture!