Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 14:03     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP got caught speeding and had to pay her ticket. She has suffered horrific racism and she is still not over it nine years later. Please send her your thoughts and prayers.


Every black person in that room should have been made to pay their traffic violation too-or was the spped camera wrong for all the black people? Oprah once stated in an interview that she was in a store and wanted to see a very expensive purse. The clerk told her that it was way too expensive and showed her other purses. Was it because Oprah was black? or wasit because the clerk felt the purse was overpriced? or was it because they thought not too many people could afford that purse (this took place in another country so the clerk did not know Oprah's net worth). Just as discrimination takes place every day against blacks, it takes place too against whites, Native Americans, Latino's, Asians, Italians, Jews, Gays, Women, Poor people and every one else. Blacks just seem to get a free pass to pull their card every single time. There is a problem with that for both the "victim" and the so called victimizer.


We do not know the stories of every person in that room. OP just didn't want to pay her ticket (that she deserved!) and so is crying racism.
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 14:01     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Anonymous wrote:OP got caught speeding and had to pay her ticket. She has suffered horrific racism and she is still not over it nine years later. Please send her your thoughts and prayers.


Every black person in that room should have been made to pay their traffic violation too-or was the spped camera wrong for all the black people? Oprah once stated in an interview that she was in a store and wanted to see a very expensive purse. The clerk told her that it was way too expensive and showed her other purses. Was it because Oprah was black? or wasit because the clerk felt the purse was overpriced? or was it because they thought not too many people could afford that purse (this took place in another country so the clerk did not know Oprah's net worth). Just as discrimination takes place every day against blacks, it takes place too against whites, Native Americans, Latino's, Asians, Italians, Jews, Gays, Women, Poor people and every one else. Blacks just seem to get a free pass to pull their card every single time. There is a problem with that for both the "victim" and the so called victimizer.
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 13:57     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ofcourse it goes both ways, OP. In my experience AAs are worse than white people. They don't even try to hide it.


How dare they not hide their anger!


I know! Why are they always angry to begin with?
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 13:56     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Anonymous wrote:Ofcourse it goes both ways, OP. In my experience AAs are worse than white people. They don't even try to hide it.


How dare they not hide their anger!
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 13:55     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Ofcourse it goes both ways, OP. In my experience AAs are worse than white people. They don't even try to hide it.
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 13:52     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
I know that Christmas morning I will be be praying for you OP.

Let's us all speed this Christmas in OP's name!
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 13:05     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
OP got caught speeding and had to pay her ticket. She has suffered horrific racism and she is still not over it nine years later. Please send her your thoughts and prayers.
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 13:04     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Anonymous wrote:^^start with yourself, of course
You can start with yourself by reading the research at the link I posted for you.
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 13:03     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Facts: OP was speeding, got a ticket, had to pay ticket. She thinks she deserved to be let off the hook or it's racism.

Isn't the same logic applied to the infamous cases in Ferguson and NYC? Or is it okay to think so for some people and not others?

NP on this thread, but in other threads I asked time and time again for at least one personal example where people were held back because of their race. No one came forward. My opponents just kept on chanting Ferguson slogans or whatever. I'm sorry, but "systemic" and "wide-spread" just doesn't do it for me. No specific examples? No problem then.
Rigorous research shows that the same resume with different names attached to it will get a different level of response. A name typically associated with a black person (eg, Nakeia) is statistically less likely to get a call back than a name typically associated with a white person (eg, Jennifer). So if your name is Nakeia and you're sending out resumes and not getting responses, you don't know whether it's because you're black or not. But just because you don't know doesn't mean it isn't happening. This is backed up by research.

Link?

It is very annoying that you seem to know for a fact this is happening, yet dismiss OP's experience based on her race. If you want to change the world, you need to stop with yourself.


http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
Here's a link to a research study and this is not the only study that confirms this. Feel free to google and find more.

Uh, OP's story is an anecdote. If we had a large sample of experiences where we could compare them statistically, I'd be more likely to accept OP's version of it without question. However, you are jumping to conclusions about my position on OP's experience. I am the person who said that OP could be right but there is no way of knowing (but even it were true, I wasn't going to lose sleep over it). I say this based on personal experience where I jumped to conclusions about what was happening and found out later that I was wrong. Kind of the way you're jumping to conclusions about my position on OP's experience.
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 12:56     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Facts: OP was speeding, got a ticket, had to pay ticket. She thinks she deserved to be let off the hook or it's racism.

Isn't the same logic applied to the infamous cases in Ferguson and NYC? Or is it okay to think so for some people and not others?

NP on this thread, but in other threads I asked time and time again for at least one personal example where people were held back because of their race. No one came forward. My opponents just kept on chanting Ferguson slogans or whatever. I'm sorry, but "systemic" and "wide-spread" just doesn't do it for me. No specific examples? No problem then.
Rigorous research shows that the same resume with different names attached to it will get a different level of response. A name typically associated with a black person (eg, Nakeia) is statistically less likely to get a call back than a name typically associated with a white person (eg, Jennifer). So if your name is Nakeia and you're sending out resumes and not getting responses, you don't know whether it's because you're black or not. But just because you don't know doesn't mean it isn't happening. This is backed up by research.

Link?

It is very annoying that you seem to know for a fact this is happening, yet dismiss OP's experience based on her race. If you want to change the world, you need to stop with yourself.


Not PP, but this study is well known However, OP was admittedly speeding and had to pay the ticket (because of her race? I have had to pay my speeding ticket before, in a room full of white people and I am white. Was that racism? No! I got caught speeding and had to pay my ticket)
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 12:55     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
^^start with yourself, of course
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 12:51     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Facts: OP was speeding, got a ticket, had to pay ticket. She thinks she deserved to be let off the hook or it's racism.

Isn't the same logic applied to the infamous cases in Ferguson and NYC? Or is it okay to think so for some people and not others?

NP on this thread, but in other threads I asked time and time again for at least one personal example where people were held back because of their race. No one came forward. My opponents just kept on chanting Ferguson slogans or whatever. I'm sorry, but "systemic" and "wide-spread" just doesn't do it for me. No specific examples? No problem then.
Rigorous research shows that the same resume with different names attached to it will get a different level of response. A name typically associated with a black person (eg, Nakeia) is statistically less likely to get a call back than a name typically associated with a white person (eg, Jennifer). So if your name is Nakeia and you're sending out resumes and not getting responses, you don't know whether it's because you're black or not. But just because you don't know doesn't mean it isn't happening. This is backed up by research.

Link?

It is very annoying that you seem to know for a fact this is happening, yet dismiss OP's experience based on her race. If you want to change the world, you need to stop with yourself.
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 12:45     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Facts: OP was speeding, got a ticket, had to pay ticket. She thinks she deserved to be let off the hook or it's racism.

Isn't the same logic applied to the infamous cases in Ferguson and NYC? Or is it okay to think so for some people and not others?

NP on this thread, but in other threads I asked time and time again for at least one personal example where people were held back because of their race. No one came forward. My opponents just kept on chanting Ferguson slogans or whatever. I'm sorry, but "systemic" and "wide-spread" just doesn't do it for me. No specific examples? No problem then.
Rigorous research shows that the same resume with different names attached to it will get a different level of response. A name typically associated with a black person (eg, Nakeia) is statistically less likely to get a call back than a name typically associated with a white person (eg, Jennifer). So if your name is Nakeia and you're sending out resumes and not getting responses, you don't know whether it's because you're black or not. But just because you don't know doesn't mean it isn't happening. This is backed up by research.
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 12:42     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Anonymous wrote:Folks, I think it's entirely possible that OP was discriminated against in her court experience. I think it's unfair to mock her for that because these things can happen. The problem is that no one knows for sure if that did happen. It may have been a coincidence or it may not.

What I find annoying is OP's tone and sense of victimhood. Yes, racism can go both ways but it rarely goes against whites and when it does it's rarely about something of great import. I don't know if I have experienced racism in some situations but the situations where it was clearly racism, it just had no impact on my life. A crazy woman walking by describing me as a white bitch just doesn't affect me. A kid calling me a white bitch from a bus is annoying but, seriously? Not a problem. And, as I have noted previously, I live in a majority black neighborhood so the pps making fun of Kate Spade-toting denizens of the upper NW doesn't affect me either.

So I don't know if it's possible but I want to put a vote in for acknowledging that OP may be right but also pointing out that she may have misinterpreted the situation and no one really knows except the judge. But one way or another, we all know it's not something that white people deal with on a regular basis and for the vast majority of us, it doesn't put limitations on our ability to live our lives freely.



Well said. Also, she deserved the ticket
Anonymous
Post 12/23/2014 12:39     Subject: Racism goes both ways (and every way in between)
Folks, I think it's entirely possible that OP was discriminated against in her court experience. I think it's unfair to mock her for that because these things can happen. The problem is that no one knows for sure if that did happen. It may have been a coincidence or it may not.

What I find annoying is OP's tone and sense of victimhood. Yes, racism can go both ways but it rarely goes against whites and when it does it's rarely about something of great import. I don't know if I have experienced racism in some situations but the situations where it was clearly racism, it just had no impact on my life. A crazy woman walking by describing me as a white bitch just doesn't affect me. A kid calling me a white bitch from a bus is annoying but, seriously? Not a problem. And, as I have noted previously, I live in a majority black neighborhood so the pps making fun of Kate Spade-toting denizens of the upper NW doesn't affect me either.

So I don't know if it's possible but I want to put a vote in for acknowledging that OP may be right but also pointing out that she may have misinterpreted the situation and no one really knows except the judge. But one way or another, we all know it's not something that white people deal with on a regular basis and for the vast majority of us, it doesn't put limitations on our ability to live our lives freely.