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Anonymous wrote:As a black woman, this thread has been VERY interesting. If I allowed myself to make a blanket opinion about whites like you all have done on this thread, I'd write the entire race off as ignorant, willfully blind, white privileged racists. Thankfully, I am intelligent and know how to see the individual and not the collective.

What's even more funny is to see non-blacks arguing back and forth about what blacks do/don't discuss with their children, in their homes, in their churches, etc. What a joke. Do you know why you have these questions: BECAUSE YOU ARE AN OUTSIDER. BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T DISCUSSING WHAT THEY DO/SAY WITH YOU.

Since they reached the shores of Africa, whites have tried to understand (and them promptly crush/change) the motivation of black people. It's not happening. Forget going back to the days of Jim Crow when blacks knew their place. Yes, there is a subsection of the race who are fuck-ups. The same can be said for white people. And you don't have hundreds of years of oppression to use as an excuse, so what's your answer to why so many whites are fuck-ups?

Instead of worrying about what blacks are teaching our teens, how about you teach YOURS to stay out of the medicine cabinet?

But that's the point -- the world wonders what the hell you're teaching them because whatever it is IS NOT WORKING. So what are we left to assume -- that either you're saying nothing or whatever you're saying is horribly ineffective.

Anonymous wrote:As a black woman, this thread has been VERY interesting. If I allowed myself to make a blanket opinion about whites like you all have done on this thread, I'd write the entire race off as ignorant, willfully blind, white privileged racists. Thankfully, I am intelligent and know how to see the individual and not the collective.

What's even more funny is to see non-blacks arguing back and forth about what blacks do/don't discuss with their children, in their homes, in their churches, etc. What a joke. Do you know why you have these questions: BECAUSE YOU ARE AN OUTSIDER. BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T DISCUSSING WHAT THEY DO/SAY WITH YOU.

Since they reached the shores of Africa, whites have tried to understand (and them promptly crush/change) the motivation of black people. It's not happening. Forget going back to the days of Jim Crow when blacks knew their place. Yes, there is a subsection of the race who are fuck-ups. The same can be said for white people. And you don't have hundreds of years of oppression to use as an excuse, so what's your answer to why so many whites are fuck-ups?

Instead of worrying about what blacks are teaching our teens, how about you teach YOURS to stay out of the medicine cabinet?

Anonymous wrote:I think Bill Cosby isn't all wrong -- 50 yrs ago AAs fought to integrate schools. The parents in those families had respectable jobs -- they worked hard at whatever jobs they could find and emphasized the value of education to their kids. They faced discrimination and I'm sure hated it, but they accepted it and dealt with it as best they could and hoped for something better for their kids. That generation could have made more excuses -- their lives growing up were far worse; they were closer in time to their ancestors in slavery, they were still dealing with "colored" everything. Yet they chose to deal and move past.

Now a few generations later -- things are "easier." I'm not suggesting there isn't racism, but AA kids at least have access to schools. Yet across the board, AA kids are always the lowest for everything (NOT YOUR KID but across the board) -- lowest achievement, lowest HS grad rate, lowest college attendance, lowest college grad rate. They yell and scream about racism and slavery holding them back -- being several generations removed from it; their grandparents and great grandparents made more of themselves with far fewer opportunities.

And while they're complaining about what's holding them back, they have enough time and energy to pick up the thug culture. From pants half way down the ass to the language, gang signs (whether in a gang or not), and weapons.

Sorry but all the successful of AA families I know have distanced themselves from the majority of AAs out there; that is the only way to get ahead -- not bc you won't still face discrimination -- but bc you will still keep pushing forward bc you won't be pulled into the vortex of "the world is unfair, why you try -- let's just blame EVERYTHING on racism."

Anonymous wrote:I think Bill Cosby isn't all wrong -- 50 yrs ago AAs fought to integrate schools. The parents in those families had respectable jobs -- they worked hard at whatever jobs they could find and emphasized the value of education to their kids. They faced discrimination and I'm sure hated it, but they accepted it and dealt with it as best they could and hoped for something better for their kids. That generation could have made more excuses -- their lives growing up were far worse; they were closer in time to their ancestors in slavery, they were still dealing with "colored" everything. Yet they chose to deal and move past.

Now a few generations later -- things are "easier." I'm not suggesting there isn't racism, but AA kids at least have access to schools. Yet across the board, AA kids are always the lowest for everything (NOT YOUR KID but across the board) -- lowest achievement, lowest HS grad rate, lowest college attendance, lowest college grad rate. They yell and scream about racism and slavery holding them back -- being several generations removed from it; their grandparents and great grandparents made more of themselves with far fewer opportunities.

And while they're complaining about what's holding them back, they have enough time and energy to pick up the thug culture. From pants half way down the ass to the language, gang signs (whether in a gang or not), and weapons.

Sorry but all the successful of AA families I know have distanced themselves from the majority of AAs out there; that is the only way to get ahead -- not bc you won't still face discrimination -- but bc you will still keep pushing forward bc you won't be pulled into the vortex of "the world is unfair, why you try -- let's just blame EVERYTHING on racism."

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Anonymous wrote:I think Bill Cosby isn't all wrong -- 50 yrs ago AAs fought to integrate schools. The parents in those families had respectable jobs -- they worked hard at whatever jobs they could find and emphasized the value of education to their kids. They faced discrimination and I'm sure hated it, but they accepted it and dealt with it as best they could and hoped for something better for their kids. That generation could have made more excuses -- their lives growing up were far worse; they were closer in time to their ancestors in slavery, they were still dealing with "colored" everything. Yet they chose to deal and move past.

Now a few generations later -- things are "easier." I'm not suggesting there isn't racism, but AA kids at least have access to schools. Yet across the board, AA kids are always the lowest for everything (NOT YOUR KID but across the board) -- lowest achievement, lowest HS grad rate, lowest college attendance, lowest college grad rate. They yell and scream about racism and slavery holding them back -- being several generations removed from it; their grandparents and great grandparents made more of themselves with far fewer opportunities.

And while they're complaining about what's holding them back, they have enough time and energy to pick up the thug culture. From pants half way down the ass to the language, gang signs (whether in a gang or not), and weapons.

Sorry but all the successful of AA families I know have distanced themselves from the majority of AAs out there; that is the only way to get ahead -- not bc you won't still face discrimination -- but bc you will still keep pushing forward bc you won't be pulled into the vortex of "the world is unfair, why you try -- let's just blame EVERYTHING on racism."

Is it because there is a sense of entitlement or sense that whites will feel guilty? Whereas the previous generations knew that whites would not put up with angry thuggish behavior and try to take away more of their rights?

I think in the 60s-70s and definitely before that, AAs definitely knew that if they were even perceived as committing a crime, they were off to prison no questions asked and once you had been to prison -- good luck gaining employment when you got out. And I think AAs a few decades ago knew they had no one to depend on but themselves; if they couldn't make enough money to eat and pay rent and their own parents or grandparents couldn't help -- they knew they wouldn't survive so they had to keep hustling. Now there's a baseline level of -- well at least I'll get x from the gov't so I'll get by. The downside risks of not hustling were huge decades ago -- now, not so much. Despite the overwhelming stress those families must have felt -- they made it work; steady employment, tried to raise the kids with good values and emphasis on education/trades. Now it's like a free for all -- do whatever you want or do nothing and if it doesn't work out, scream racism and collect gov't assistance.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Bill Cosby isn't all wrong -- 50 yrs ago AAs fought to integrate schools. The parents in those families had respectable jobs -- they worked hard at whatever jobs they could find and emphasized the value of education to their kids. They faced discrimination and I'm sure hated it, but they accepted it and dealt with it as best they could and hoped for something better for their kids. That generation could have made more excuses -- their lives growing up were far worse; they were closer in time to their ancestors in slavery, they were still dealing with "colored" everything. Yet they chose to deal and move past.

Now a few generations later -- things are "easier." I'm not suggesting there isn't racism, but AA kids at least have access to schools. Yet across the board, AA kids are always the lowest for everything (NOT YOUR KID but across the board) -- lowest achievement, lowest HS grad rate, lowest college attendance, lowest college grad rate. They yell and scream about racism and slavery holding them back -- being several generations removed from it; their grandparents and great grandparents made more of themselves with far fewer opportunities.

And while they're complaining about what's holding them back, they have enough time and energy to pick up the thug culture. From pants half way down the ass to the language, gang signs (whether in a gang or not), and weapons.

Sorry but all the successful of AA families I know have distanced themselves from the majority of AAs out there; that is the only way to get ahead -- not bc you won't still face discrimination -- but bc you will still keep pushing forward bc you won't be pulled into the vortex of "the world is unfair, why you try -- let's just blame EVERYTHING on racism."

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Did you ever stop to think that maybe integration ( or perhaps the way it was handled) was part of the probelm? Talk to many older AAs and they'll tell you as a people they were better off beforehand.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Bill Cosby isn't all wrong -- 50 yrs ago AAs fought to integrate schools. The parents in those families had respectable jobs -- they worked hard at whatever jobs they could find and emphasized the value of education to their kids. They faced discrimination and I'm sure hated it, but they accepted it and dealt with it as best they could and hoped for something better for their kids. That generation could have made more excuses -- their lives growing up were far worse; they were closer in time to their ancestors in slavery, they were still dealing with "colored" everything. Yet they chose to deal and move past.

Now a few generations later -- things are "easier." I'm not suggesting there isn't racism, but AA kids at least have access to schools. Yet across the board, AA kids are always the lowest for everything (NOT YOUR KID but across the board) -- lowest achievement, lowest HS grad rate, lowest college attendance, lowest college grad rate. They yell and scream about racism and slavery holding them back -- being several generations removed from it; their grandparents and great grandparents made more of themselves with far fewer opportunities.

And while they're complaining about what's holding them back, they have enough time and energy to pick up the thug culture. From pants half way down the ass to the language, gang signs (whether in a gang or not), and weapons.

Sorry but all the successful of AA families I know have distanced themselves from the majority of AAs out there; that is the only way to get ahead -- not bc you won't still face discrimination -- but bc you will still keep pushing forward bc you won't be pulled into the vortex of "the world is unfair, why you try -- let's just blame EVERYTHING on racism."

Is it because there is a sense of entitlement or sense that whites will feel guilty? Whereas the previous generations knew that whites would not put up with angry thuggish behavior and try to take away more of their rights?

Anonymous wrote:I think Bill Cosby isn't all wrong -- 50 yrs ago AAs fought to integrate schools. The parents in those families had respectable jobs -- they worked hard at whatever jobs they could find and emphasized the value of education to their kids. They faced discrimination and I'm sure hated it, but they accepted it and dealt with it as best they could and hoped for something better for their kids. That generation could have made more excuses -- their lives growing up were far worse; they were closer in time to their ancestors in slavery, they were still dealing with "colored" everything. Yet they chose to deal and move past.

Now a few generations later -- things are "easier." I'm not suggesting there isn't racism, but AA kids at least have access to schools. Yet across the board, AA kids are always the lowest for everything (NOT YOUR KID but across the board) -- lowest achievement, lowest HS grad rate, lowest college attendance, lowest college grad rate. They yell and scream about racism and slavery holding them back -- being several generations removed from it; their grandparents and great grandparents made more of themselves with far fewer opportunities.

And while they're complaining about what's holding them back, they have enough time and energy to pick up the thug culture. From pants half way down the ass to the language, gang signs (whether in a gang or not), and weapons.

Sorry but all the successful of AA families I know have distanced themselves from the majority of AAs out there; that is the only way to get ahead -- not bc you won't still face discrimination -- but bc you will still keep pushing forward bc you won't be pulled into the vortex of "the world is unfair, why you try -- let's just blame EVERYTHING on racism."

Anonymous wrote:I think Bill Cosby isn't all wrong -- 50 yrs ago AAs fought to integrate schools. The parents in those families had respectable jobs -- they worked hard at whatever jobs they could find and emphasized the value of education to their kids. They faced discrimination and I'm sure hated it, but they accepted it and dealt with it as best they could and hoped for something better for their kids. That generation could have made more excuses -- their lives growing up were far worse; they were closer in time to their ancestors in slavery, they were still dealing with "colored" everything. Yet they chose to deal and move past.

Now a few generations later -- things are "easier." I'm not suggesting there isn't racism, but AA kids at least have access to schools. Yet across the board, AA kids are always the lowest for everything (NOT YOUR KID but across the board) -- lowest achievement, lowest HS grad rate, lowest college attendance, lowest college grad rate. They yell and scream about racism and slavery holding them back -- being several generations removed from it; their grandparents and great grandparents made more of themselves with far fewer opportunities.

And while they're complaining about what's holding them back, they have enough time and energy to pick up the thug culture. From pants half way down the ass to the language, gang signs (whether in a gang or not), and weapons.

Sorry but all the successful of AA families I know have distanced themselves from the majority of AAs out there; that is the only way to get ahead -- not bc you won't still face discrimination -- but bc you will still keep pushing forward bc you won't be pulled into the vortex of "the world is unfair, why you try -- let's just blame EVERYTHING on racism."

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Anonymous wrote:Because they have a 300 year old chip on their shoulder.

I'm black and agree with you completely.

You lie.

PP could be Clarence Thomas for all you know.

Yes, but even good old uncle Clarence was once pulled over for DWB, and discussed the embarrassment and injustice he felt.

Did the cop lose his job?

Don't know. He never mentioned that in his speech.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they have a 300 year old chip on their shoulder.

I'm black and agree with you completely.

You lie.

PP could be Clarence Thomas for all you know.

Yes, but even good old uncle Clarence was once pulled over for DWB, and discussed the embarrassment and injustice he felt.

Did the cop lose his job?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because they have a 300 year old chip on their shoulder.

I'm black and agree with you completely.

You lie.

PP could be Clarence Thomas for all you know.

Yes, but even good old uncle Clarence was once pulled over for DWB, and discussed the embarrassment and injustice he felt.