Anonymous
03/27/2014 15:57
Subject: All Kids Are Gifted, a Sports Metaphor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If IQ tests are supposedly rigged and culturally biased to benefit the white establishment and high-SES, how come it's disproportionately second-generation middle class Asians getting high scores?
Their parents may be immigrants, but their parents were not uneducated immigrants.
They may be well educated in a general sense but immigrant parents are typically not going to be up on American culturalisms nor possess a large English vocabulary - which are typically the areas where accusations of SES bias fall.
Anonymous
03/27/2014 07:40
Subject: All Kids Are Gifted, a Sports Metaphor
Anonymous
03/27/2014 07:37
Subject: All Kids Are Gifted, a Sports Metaphor
08:51, how about from here on out any time someone on this message board alleges anti-black or other racism, we all just pat them on the head and respond with the same condescending "Get over yourself, darling, whatever racist connotations you think there are have long since been eclipsed by its more modern, Internet meaning"
mm-kay?
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mm-kay?
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Anonymous
03/26/2014 09:28
Subject: Re:All Kids Are Gifted, a Sports Metaphor
There are lots of kids who can't participate in sports due to disabilities, et cetera - there are also lots of kids who never make the cut to actually be on the team. Being allowed to come to practice but never actually getting to play doesn't particularly qualify.
As for the "sickening" comment... wow. Just, wow. The hatred and vitriol is absolutely bewildering. And strangely enough not a single poster has been able to articulate any compelling reason whatsoever why this is the case.
There are non cut sports. There is marching band. And, all kids can participate by cheering for the teams. At our school, special "buddies" frequently attend together. It is a great bonding event.
Anonymous
03/26/2014 08:55
Subject: All Kids Are Gifted, a Sports Metaphor
Anonymous wrote:If IQ tests are supposedly rigged and culturally biased to benefit the white establishment and high-SES, how come it's disproportionately second-generation middle class Asians getting high scores?
Their parents may be immigrants, but their parents were not uneducated immigrants.
Anonymous
03/26/2014 08:53
Subject: Re:All Kids Are Gifted, a Sports Metaphor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe because athletic excellence is obvious and can be physically measured. Intelligence is more difficult to quantify and prove sometimes. Some people who do not have high IQs are able to pretend to be very smart. And others who have high IQs can sometimes seem not as bright.
It can be quantified through a combination of things like WISC tests, academic achievement, et cetera - often observant teachers will know and recognize which students stand out academically. It can probably be quantified far more effectively than athletics.
But many tests are thought to be SES biased. Which is different than having two students start at the same starting line and see who crosses the finish line first.
Back in the day when there were more knowledge- and culture-based questions to introduce bias that was more of a relevant argument but it's far less relevant or valid today than it was 50 years ago when that debate first started.Also, a footrace isn't necessarily the best test of athleticism. What about kids who are great swimmers but aren't great runners? Or those who excel in other sports but aren't necessarily the fastest runners?
NP. I don't believe this to be true, and apparently neither does Princeton Review, or whoever it is that produces SAT. One of the reasons they decided to change the format for the new test is to reduce the SES bias. The other reason is because they were getting hammered by the ACT testers.
Anonymous
03/26/2014 08:51
Subject: All Kids Are Gifted, a Sports Metaphor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First of all, get over yourself, "snowflake lady". You sound like such an ass every time you post.
Take a chill pill, darling.
1) I'm not a "lady." I don't even have the right chromosomes.
2) The term "snowflake" is used ubiquitously on the Internet to deride those who seem to have an exaggerated and entitled sense of their children's talents and abilities. To suggest I am the only one who uses the term or to confuse the very many others who use it with me is misguided at best. Clearly it touches a nerve, though -- maybe you're one of the "those" parents?
"Ubiquitously?" Not exactly, and certainly not unambiguously as it's also frequently used disparagingly as a racist, anti-white term.
Yes, darling. The use of "snowflake" to describe entitled children with doting parents is ubiquitous. Whatever racist connotations you associate with it have long since been eclipsed by its more modern, Internet meaning.http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=precious%20little%20snowflake
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080608130346AAVpuiV
http://www.fark.com/comments/3701877/The-revolt-against-precious-little-snowflake-culture-has-begun
http://www.cafemom.com/group/115189/forums/read/19413997/The_term_Precious_little_Snowflake
https://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/OliverDelSignore/2012/03/10/being-a-precious-snowflake-means-never-having-to-say-im-sorry/
They even have them in China: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8997627/China-The-rise-of-the-Precious-Snowflakes.html
So, spare me your indignation. Get over yourself. Deal with it.
THank you. So true.