Anonymous wrote:There are numerous threads and probably hundreds of pages of messages documenting the NCS mean girl and or mean mom experience. Anyone denying it is either lying or uninformed.

Yup. All the posters on this thread have only posted once. Guaranteed. Moreover, they are clearly most of the parents of most of the girls who have ever attended NCS. Guaranteed.

There are numerous threads and probably hundreds of pages of messages documenting the NCS mean girl and or mean mom experience. Anyone denying it is either lying or uninformed.

Anonymous wrote:No NCS girls do not loathe their parents, themselves or their teachers. In fact, they love their teachers. What they loathe is the experience.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:7:52, you seem to want to minimize the experience of posters here.

My daughter is an alum, she knows may alums across many grad years and I don't know how NCS could not understand that the girls often leave the school hating it. I keep waiting to see if she will change her mind. Has not happened yet.

As a parent, I feel terrible that this was her experience.

If people ask me if I would do it agin I say "NO". I can't imagine my daughter ever sending a daughter of hers there. She has said she never would.

No - just balance it. There are many girls who love the school. That doesn't mean that they are mean girls. How are YOU not trying to minimize their experiences in your unrelenting attacks? Every person who posts in support of the school is told that they are somehow ignorant about the school - their daughters aren't in the mean grades yet, or are mean girls, or even that the moms must be mean girls themselves. Nope. We have just had a different experience.

You re confused. There is not one poster and unrelenting attacks. This is my first post on this thread. I haven't even read all of the posts. You need to wrap your head around the fact that there are many posters confirming similar experiences.

BTW I would never accuse happy girls of being mean girls. In my experience the mean girls were very insecure about their place in the school ie, academically, socially. And I don't think there are many mean girls. Completely stressed out girls yes. Mean, not so sure.

No NCS girls do not loathe their parents, themselves or their teachers. In fact, they love their teachers. What they loathe is the experience.


I remember my daughter telling me about Johnson's daughter coming to the school to talk. LBJ's daughter was hesitant to come because she said it was not a pleasant experience for her but she was guilted into it. Not sure what she was trying to get across but the takeaway for my daughter was that it used to be even worse. And that women graduate, go on and still hate it 30 years later.

I wonder what the administration's take on that speech was.

Anonymous wrote:NP here. You are incredibly defensive, 8:53. Are you suggesting that somehow only posters on DCUM have had these negative experiences? Post back once your daughter is a senior, Ok? Or better yet, once she's graduated. For some girls, NCS is the only culture they (and their parents know). Their experiences after NCS shed light on just how difficult (socially) it was. This is why many alums say they'd never send their daughters there.

Oh, good. You've come back with the "you just don't know any better" defense. At least you didn't go with the other default argument: "you must be a mean NCS mom." Nice to know that you dismiss me as merely ignorant as opposed to malignant.

Pot, meet kettle. You call me defensive? I have merely pointed out that this is an anonymous board, and that all these posts made by "haters" are not the universal experience that girls have at the school. For that, I am told that I am minimizing negative experiences, when really all I am trying to do is bring a little more balance to the conversation. Apparently, minimizing positive experiences is okay.

But go ahead. Insist that no girl has ever graduated from NCS with any kind of positive feeling about the school. All NCS girls loathe themselves, their parents and their teachers. I guess that makes you feel better about yourself in some way.

NP here. You are incredibly defensive, 8:53. Are you suggesting that somehow only posters on DCUM have had these negative experiences? Post back once your daughter is a senior, Ok? Or better yet, once she's graduated. For some girls, NCS is the only culture they (and their parents know). Their experiences after NCS shed light on just how difficult (socially) it was. This is why many alums say they'd never send their daughters there.

Anonymous wrote:7:52, you seem to want to minimize the experience of posters here.

My daughter is an alum, she knows may alums across many grad years and I don't know how NCS could not understand that the girls often leave the school hating it. I keep waiting to see if she will change her mind. Has not happened yet.

As a parent, I feel terrible that this was her experience.

If people ask me if I would do it agin I say "NO". I can't imagine my daughter ever sending a daughter of hers there. She has said she never would.

+1. I could have written this post but didn't.

Anonymous wrote:7:52, you seem to want to minimize the experience of posters here.

My daughter is an alum, she knows may alums across many grad years and I don't know how NCS could not understand that the girls often leave the school hating it. I keep waiting to see if she will change her mind. Has not happened yet.

As a parent, I feel terrible that this was her experience.

If people ask me if I would do it agin I say "NO". I can't imagine my daughter ever sending a daughter of hers there. She has said she never would.

No - just balance it. There are many girls who love the school. That doesn't mean that they are mean girls. How are YOU not trying to minimize their experiences in your unrelenting attacks? Every person who posts in support of the school is told that they are somehow ignorant about the school - their daughters aren't in the mean grades yet, or are mean girls, or even that the moms must be mean girls themselves. Nope. We have just had a different experience.

7:52, you seem to want to minimize the experience of posters here.

My daughter is an alum, she knows may alums across many grad years and I don't know how NCS could not understand that the girls often leave the school hating it. I keep waiting to see if she will change her mind. Has not happened yet.

As a parent, I feel terrible that this was her experience.

If people ask me if I would do it agin I say "NO". I can't imagine my daughter ever sending a daughter of hers there. She has said she never would.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Means girls who are counseled out of other elite schools sometimes end up finding a home ( and kindred spirits ) at NCS. So there can be non-lifer mean girls as well.

And your evidence for this is...what?

My dd is not a lifer, nor was she a mean girl at another school. We came to NCS for the outstanding academics, and she loves it. The cohort in her grade, however, is low drama. And the only stories I have heard about all this horrific mean girl behavior come from - surprise, surprise - this website.

Aside from the movies and books based on the "mean girls" and "mean moms" of the National Cathedral School for Girls, I have first hand knowledge of girls who demonstrated mean girl behavior at other schools being counseled out and ending up at NCS where their moms fit right into the mean mom culture of NCS. Then there are the numerous alum who just hate the school. Apart from that, not much evidence at all.

But why should anyone believe rumors posted on an anonymous internet boards? And you say movies and books - plural? Aside from Wiseman? Also, she conducted her research/taught classes at several different schools, not exclusively NCS. "Numerous alum"? You mean, other than the purported one who keeps posting on this thread?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Means girls who are counseled out of other elite schools sometimes end up finding a home ( and kindred spirits ) at NCS. So there can be non-lifer mean girls as well.

And your evidence for this is...what?

My dd is not a lifer, nor was she a mean girl at another school. We came to NCS for the outstanding academics, and she loves it. The cohort in her grade, however, is low drama. And the only stories I have heard about all this horrific mean girl behavior come from - surprise, surprise - this website.

Aside from the movies and books based on the "mean girls" and "mean moms" of the National Cathedral School for Girls, I have first hand knowledge of girls who demonstrated mean girl behavior at other schools being counseled out and ending up at NCS where their moms fit right into the mean mom culture of NCS. Then there are the numerous alum who just hate the school. Apart from that, not much evidence at all.

Anonymous wrote:Means girls who are counseled out of other elite schools sometimes end up finding a home ( and kindred spirits ) at NCS. So there can be non-lifer mean girls as well.

And your evidence for this is...what?

My dd is not a lifer, nor was she a mean girl at another school. We came to NCS for the outstanding academics, and she loves it. The cohort in her grade, however, is low drama. And the only stories I have heard about all this horrific mean girl behavior come from - surprise, surprise - this website.

Means girls who are counseled out of other elite schools sometimes end up finding a home ( and kindred spirits ) at NCS. So there can be non-lifer mean girls as well.

It is not true in this case. Sorry.