Anonymous
Post 09/21/2012 14:52     Subject: Re:2.0

The grade levels K through 12 have 25 to 30 students each.

Curriculum 2.0 now prohibits students in each grade level from moving up (maybe even down?) a level to get appropriate challenge. One assumes that as one goes up a Grade level (from K through 12) the content will get more challenging.

Many parents claim today their children's challenges in math are not being met at each Grade level since children can no longer move up. They were able to do so under the old curriculum. MCPS claims these needs will be met by differentiated teaching at each Grade level in curriculum 2.0. Each teacher will now teach to a wider range of aptitudes, ability, performance and exposure in the 50 min math class (per curriculum 2.0). On paper and in theory this strategy may compensate for prohibiting kids to move up; in reality and practise over the last 2 years this is not the case for many in MCPS.

Removing the current MCPS prohibition of student movement would solve this problem easily. For example, many systems around the globe and country have "block scheduling" (fundamental and basic subjects like math are held at the same time of the day in elementary school). This provides efficiencies (for instruction [teachers] and students) and allows children who have already demonstrated mastery of subject material at a particular Grade level to shift up to an appropriate level (K-8 for example). This becomes critical as the classroom sizes in MCPS continue to grow (>>> 25) and the teaching pipeline pumps out more generalists and teachers less proficient and knowledgeable about mathematics.

If MCPS does not have a prohibition regarding student movement in this regard then the trickle down message from up top flip flops all the way to the bottom. Since no human being seems capable of articulating the policy in clear English what that process, pathway and procedure. This should be transparent and not shrouded in evasion.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2012 14:07     Subject: Re:2.0


Thanks for the thoughtful answer about training and resources, but I don't see the difference in resources between having three teachers with each teaching one level of learners and having three teachers with each teaching a mix of learners. Both involve three teachers. The former model is the current one in our ES for grades 4 and 5.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2012 13:51     Subject: Re:2.0

Actually the school has absolutely no obligation to stimulate your child. The obligation is to prepare them for the workforce/college. If your child isn't stimulated get them a hobby or tutor.


And the current job market reflects MCPS is doing a fantastic job of preparing our kids for the workforce and college. Do you know how many MCPS kids go on to college and then graduate? How many MCPS kids are getting jobs? How many MCPS kids are still home in their parents basement or on their parents dime even after College?

If MCPS doesn't provide a challenging and stimulating curriculum in the classroom (beginning at the elementary school level) for our children, the unemployment rate will continue to rise and kids will continue to enter our colleges unprepared and return to the family basement.

$2.2 billion/year must get our kids more than a 6-hour baby sitting service with teachers and their union as the Baby Sitters and the Principal--the Head Baby Sitter in Chief.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2012 13:38     Subject: Re:2.0

The scarcity of the math teaching resources makes the case for allowing kids to move up and down in the present MCPS math curriculum for best fit rather than overwhelming a single math teacher (precious resource) at each rigid grade level with the task of teaching 30 kids spanning the Bell shaped curve of ability, aptitude and previous experience and exposure in math. The current system is senseless since children are not getting the differentiation marketed and advertised by the MCPS bureaucrats -- who are NOT in the classrooms.

Anonymous
Post 09/21/2012 13:27     Subject: Re:2.0

Why is math so different than reading and writing? If differentiation is allowed (albeit in the same classroom) for these skills, why does math have to be treated differently?


ES teachers are better trained to evaluate and coach reading and writing. Their education degrees do not prepare them very well for math or science. Most individuals who gravitate toward teaching are not the analytical, math or science types. You have a serious skill deficiency and professional development cost if a school system wants to get serious about treating math equal to reading/writing. Private schools counter this by having a dedicated Math or Science teacher. This is someone who has a background in these fields and a teaching degree. MCPS has consistently been cutting back on what they call Specials or teachers with focus. The expectation is that one teacher does everything, with no or few aides.

Acceleration in reading and writing requires fewer resources and the upper groups are more independent and student led with teacher as coach. DD is in the higher reading/writing groups and she does this independently with feedback from the teacher rather than significant instruction. If the kids are going to break up into reading groups anyway, it really doesn't make a staffing/resource difference if one group reads an lower level and one group reads a higher level.

Math instruction in MCPS is teacher led..ie teacher up at the prometheus board doing examples, explaining concepts, and articulating the instructions (how to do it i whichever way they have chosen for that day and instructions). In order to allow acceleration in this model, more teaching staff need to be assigned to give different work to different group.

No math acceleration is driven by the desire to close the achievement gap by not documenting the higher %, reduce costs by limiting instruction, and align with the existing workforce rather than change to meet the changing world and economy.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2012 13:26     Subject: Re:2.0

Actually the school has absolutely no obligation to stimulate your child. The obligation is to prepare them for the workforce/college. If your child isn't stimulated get them a hobby or tutor.


Are you a consultant for MCPS? Why don't you advise Starr to rewrite the MCPS mission statement according to your directive. "MCPS schools have absolutely no obligation to provide a challenging and stimulating education for your child".

Are you part of the 47% living off the $2.2 billion/year MCPS trough feeding the mouching adult educational bureaucrats?
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2012 13:19     Subject: Re:2.0

Actually the school has absolutely no obligation to stimulate your child. The obligation is to prepare them for the workforce/college. If your child isn't stimulated get them a hobby or tutor.


You have the wrong concept here. We are not referring to transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS) of pharmacological stimulation from caffeine which is not served during recess. We agree, our taxes don't call for this type of stimulation.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2012 13:07     Subject: Re:2.0

Anonymous wrote:
Off the track again. What is GT math? The discussion here is providing able MCPS students that have demonstrated competency the ability to move up and down the MCPS math instructional menu for appropriate fit, challenge, and stimulation. I do not think it is about GT math (whatever that is?) or preparation for GT math or Harvard Math 55? MCPS objectives in Math education is not preparation for Harvard Math 55, rather providing appropriate challenge and stimulation in math for her students some of whom may take linear algebra in college or go scuba diving.


Thank you.


Actually the school has absolutely no obligation to stimulate your child. The obligation is to prepare them for the workforce/college. If your child isn't stimulated get them a hobby or tutor.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2012 13:05     Subject: Re:2.0

Anonymous wrote:
Well, when I was a kid those kids went to CTY in the summer for more enrichment. I was one of them. It never occurred to me or my parents to ask my school to create a whole curriculum for the couple of us in our school with those needs.


I was considered GT in school (not Maryland) and we did not have special curriculum until much later - MS and HS. In elementary school, the teachers taught to everyone or, in some cases, split the kids up into groups based on ability. I'm not sure what was wrong with this approach. However, I will admit my child has not yet entered school so I don't have experience with either curriculum in MCPS - but I am concerned based on some of these comments.

I hope for those of you against 2.0 - you are taking your criticism to the school board so they can make any needed changes.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2012 12:12     Subject: Re:2.0

Off the track again. What is GT math? The discussion here is providing able MCPS students that have demonstrated competency the ability to move up and down the MCPS math instructional menu for appropriate fit, challenge, and stimulation. I do not think it is about GT math (whatever that is?) or preparation for GT math or Harvard Math 55? MCPS objectives in Math education is not preparation for Harvard Math 55, rather providing appropriate challenge and stimulation in math for her students some of whom may take linear algebra in college or go scuba diving.


Thank you.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2012 22:05     Subject: Re:2.0

This. CTY is a great resource, and it's nearby. But you need a certain level of preparation to even be considered. Their qualifying standards are online, you can look them up.

I suggest these as some milestones for a curriculum that is appropriate for a kid who is very GT in math

1. Enable the kid to qualify for CTY (I know not all kids can attend, or afford it -- I'm just talking about being prepared enough and having been exposed to enough math to take the SCAT and qualify for CTY).

2. Expose the kid to all the material forming the basis for the questions on the AMC8, AMC10, and AMC12 exams (http://amc.maa.org/) by the fall of 8th, 10th, 12th grade respectively (ie, before the test date).

3. Be prepared at the end of high school to take a proof-based honors linear algebra course as a college freshman (Math 55 at Harvard is the most famous of these courses, but other colleges have something similar).

There are almost 150K students in MCPS, so over 10K per grade. Somewhere in each grade there are students who have the desire, ability, and parental support for whom reaching their potential requires a curriculum that has these milestones. Based on what parents are saying about 2.0, as implemented (it doesn't really matter what Rockville says the policy is, what matters is how each ES implements the directive), none of these milestones are attainable for any students in MCPS because they must stay on grade, going deeper.



Off the track again. What is GT math? The discussion here is providing able MCPS students that have demonstrated competency the ability to move up and down the MCPS math instructional menu for appropriate fit, challenge, and stimulation. I do not think it is about GT math (whatever that is?) or preparation for GT math or Harvard Math 55? MCPS objectives in Math education is not preparation for Harvard Math 55, rather providing appropriate challenge and stimulation in math for her students some of whom may take linear algebra in college or go scuba diving.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2012 21:40     Subject: Re:2.0

No worries. The poster likes to read the internet then run back here to post her garbled illuminations -- much like searching dictionaries for the difference between math and algebra. She will tell us next that Bill Gates took Math 55 as a freshman at Harvard before he quit university for better things. Do you know the equivalent MIT course? I give you 25 extra bonus points!
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2012 21:24     Subject: Re:2.0

The kids I know in CTY have not done any of your suggestions. I know 5 children (they entered the program based on SCAT exams taken when they were in the 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 6th grades). Zero out of 5, so far did not follow your blueprint. So much for your guidance...and credibility.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2012 21:22     Subject: Re:2.0

Prealgebra isn't rocket science. I know this. I have worked as a rocket scientist, and I am married to an MCPS teacher. I see what he teaches to fourth graders under the old curriculum. There is absolutely nothing special about the old curriculum that makes it better at teaching math than 2.0. I am not saying 2.0 is the best curriculum ever, but I am saying that people who are trained to teach kids developed this curriculum in view of standards they are now required to meet. You should give the curriculum a chance.

What is frustrating me about this thread is that there are such sweeping generalization about how all MCPS elementary school teachers are unqualified to teach math and how horrible 2.0 is. I just don't get how you can have such disdain for people who are dedicated to teaching your kids. If you do, then you have a right to do something about it, including moving to Virginia where Common Core is not mandated or putting your kids in private if you hate MCPS so much. The people who show up everyday to teach your kids certainly don't do it for the money, even those that teach in private school.


I don't want to move to Virginia. I've been happy with the MCPS teaching to date, and we've liked all DC1's teachers. I've been happy that he has been able to read at his level while some students are reading longer and harder books. I'm happy that there was grouping within the classroom so that he was able to work on writing, reading, and spelling at his own level, rather than being pressured to race through Harry Potter in kindergarten even though others could. And I'm happy that the kindergarten teacher identified him as being advanced in math, and that he has been able to enjoy doing accelerated math, which comes very easily to him. I am NOT happy at the prospect that as a 5th grader he will be repeating concepts learned up to 2 years ago, if acceleration is suddenly stopped. And I'm not happy at the prospect of him being in a math class in 5th grade where students who have been working at different levels are suddenly thrown into the same pool, which will make teaching anything to any level difficult.

Why is math so different than reading and writing? If differentiation is allowed (albeit in the same classroom) for these skills, why does math have to be treated differently? There are just as many complaints about students coming to college and having to take remedial English as math--but no one is suggesting only allowing elementary school children access to uniformly basic readers or preventing them from doing more advanced writing projects.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2012 20:43     Subject: Re:2.0

Anonymous wrote:
Well, when I was a kid those kids went to CTY in the summer for more enrichment. I was one of them. It never occurred to me or my parents to ask my school to create a whole curriculum for the couple of us in our school with those needs.


This. CTY is a great resource, and it's nearby. But you need a certain level of preparation to even be considered. Their qualifying standards are online, you can look them up.

I suggest these as some milestones for a curriculum that is appropriate for a kid who is very GT in math

1. Enable the kid to qualify for CTY (I know not all kids can attend, or afford it -- I'm just talking about being prepared enough and having been exposed to enough math to take the SCAT and qualify for CTY).

2. Expose the kid to all the material forming the basis for the questions on the AMC8, AMC10, and AMC12 exams (http://amc.maa.org/) by the fall of 8th, 10th, 12th grade respectively (ie, before the test date).

3. Be prepared at the end of high school to take a proof-based honors linear algebra course as a college freshman (Math 55 at Harvard is the most famous of these courses, but other colleges have something similar).

There are almost 150K students in MCPS, so over 10K per grade. Somewhere in each grade there are students who have the desire, ability, and parental support for whom reaching their potential requires a curriculum that has these milestones. Based on what parents are saying about 2.0, as implemented (it doesn't really matter what Rockville says the policy is, what matters is how each ES implements the directive), none of these milestones are attainable for any students in MCPS because they must stay on grade, going deeper.